2013-08-22, 04:05 | Link #30122 |
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Well, harsh penalties for espionage is generally when the information leak is in the interest of an enemy state.
This is a leak to the general public, so it's not quite the same gravity or animosity.
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2013-08-22, 04:09 | Link #30123 | ||
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Justice? We will find that out only after a few decades. Very telling that Obama had to remove the part of his old campaign website that speak of protecting whistle blowers. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3658815.html This was REMOVED from the website. Presumably because Obama no longer believes in it. Quote:
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2013-08-22, 04:18 | Link #30125 | |
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The only way it is treason to tell the population the truth, is if the sum total national population is also the enemy of the State.
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2013-08-22, 04:38 | Link #30127 | |
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And "no reason to talk to me"? Whatever you say, my lord and master.
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2013-08-22, 04:53 | Link #30129 |
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From what I've heard so far, the whole Snowden affair is about how this one guy basically threw away his entire life to break a story, and his intended audience couldn't give a damn. My usual circle of friends is mostly lefty Americans in their 20s, and they've never for once brought up the issue. Granted, they're more learned then your average 20s. They read and talk with professors and stuff.
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2013-08-22, 05:14 | Link #30130 |
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China vets brokerages' computer systems after $3.8 billion buy error
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...97L09O20130822 Mugabe sworn in for five more years as Zimbabwe's president http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...97L0CW20130822
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2013-08-22, 05:51 | Link #30131 |
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After careful thought about the case, I admit that there is grey in both side. I can take a "it can't be help", but don't tell me that this was justified.
Firstly my apologise to any Chinese AS member. Your country is antagonised so much in the West that it's easy to make a target for bad example. But look at this scenario... A Chinese general was found guilty of kidnapping and raping 3 Tibetan teenagers. But due to his high profile, the PLA military court decided to keep matter in their own hand, not release the news to the public but still discharge that general service, and cut off his pensions. One of the attended soldiers found the punishment unjustified, decided to leak the news into public. This sparks backslash from the Tibetan population, and there were reports that Chinese ethnic military and police personnel stationed in Tibet became target for revenges. Due to that, the soldier who leaked the information out was sentenced to 35 years in jail. The sentence said: "The message will be sent in a loud and clear fashion to all those in uniform that they do not get to make decisions on what is legitimate and what is not, with regard to PLA policy" .....of course we are talking about China (see above) and sensitive issue like rape so it's easy to brush them off as bad guy. But can you call this anymore wrong than the Manning's case?
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2013-08-22, 05:57 | Link #30132 |
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The US government won either way. Now we know the next time someone saw the government committing war crimes, they would have to realised they would get 35 years in prison for exposing it.
Glad we got that down on record. edit: Scratch that, it's if you are a US citizen. If you are a non-American then you would just be killed.
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2013-08-22, 06:16 | Link #30134 | |
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As others said before... we know you didn't break your own laws; we are just surprised that you didn't have to. Good to know that telling the truth is illegal, we will be far more careful from now on.
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2013-08-22, 06:25 | Link #30136 | |
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This is just what I found from Google in 10 seconds. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3788126.html
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2013-08-22, 06:31 | Link #30137 | ||
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2. How is this a war crime? 3. How is this a war crime? 4. How is this a war crime? 5. How is this a war crime? 6. How is this a war crime? No really, where are the damn war crimes you alleged were committed and kept to secrecy? |
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2013-08-22, 06:50 | Link #30138 | |
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So it is treason to uncover American war crimes when the supposed "normal channels" refuse to act? I'm a bit puzzled by your loose use of the word "justice". Let me point out that for the various documented war crimes, crimes against humanity, homicides during "enhanced interrogation" (torture), literally NOONE was ever held accountable (save some fall guys in Abu Ghraib). NOONE. Which leads to the interesting result that those who commit crimes are left off the hook, but those who point out these crimes are punished with jail time. This is "justice" in your book? |
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