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SPARTAN 119 · 2015-09-28, 09:06

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For the lulz

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Finally, another Gigguk video.

And what a topic for him to choose!

Also, another random thought with regard to how to improve the ending. Assuming you don't want to go with one of the tragic endings I mentioned earlier, you could have given the scene where Yuu wakes up and sees Tomori a bit more impact if he initially is like "who are you?", but is somehow reminded of her even slightly, by something Tomori says or does. The obvious one would be a kiss, but seeing as she never kissed him before that wouldn't make much sense, but even if she just hugged him or held his hand or something, and that was just enough for him to remember that she was a person he cherished, it would made it more of a heartwarming "d'awww" moment.

Arya · 2015-09-28, 10:15

mh. Underwhelming ending. But one thing. The courage girl, it did save the finale, it was so nonsensical that it called me back to the episode. What was she doing in that place of all places? Being brave doesn't mean being irrational and irresponsible.

And what's the meaning of it within the story? Still I'm glad it was there since it make me smile when I was honestly a bit unimpressed until then.

Spoiler for space-saving purposes:

As a side note, what is this Rewrite thing? The story will be re-written by a different writer?

SPARTAN 119 · 2015-09-28, 11:04

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Originally Posted by Arya

As a side note, what is this Rewrite thing? The story will be re-written by a different writer?

Rewrite is a visual novel by Key which is getting an anime, which was announced during the last episode of Charlotte.

Arya · 2015-09-28, 11:07

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Originally Posted by SPARTAN 119

Rewrite is a visual novel by Key which is getting an anime, which was announced during the last episode of Charlotte.

Ah, so it has nothing to do with Charlotte. Thanks.
I have to admit, despite everything, I wouldn't have disdain some more Nao

Shadow5YA · 2015-09-28, 12:19

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Originally Posted by GDB

Why would he need to when the scientists specifically stated they developed a way to prevent it from ever happening again, and only needed a solution for those who were already exposed?

Actually, it's kind of unrealistic for them to be able to not only distribute, but vaccinate the entire world when plenty of them could be secluded, living in places too far away from towns to find, or could just be unwilling because they aren't aware of the disease, or don't believe it's a disease in the first place.

However, suspension of disbelief is far easier for that compared to Yu's globetrotting.

GDB · 2015-09-28, 12:26

Well, if I recall they said the last time the comet came was centuries before. That gives them plenty of time to distribute the vaccine via water sources and such.

justsomeguy · 2015-09-28, 13:06

I want to like this show, but no matter how I look at it, this show is pretty terrible. The story was obviously planned out ahead of time, but then huge chunks were deemed unnecessary and cut out. Remember at the beginning when the audience was wondering on how the powers were related to the psyche of the characters, and speculated on how they would disappear once their issues were resolved? All that came to nothing. Things like character arcs/development, villain development, etc are all missing. Takajo and Yusa/Misa got almost no focus despite supposedly being major characters and played little role in the main story, especially compared to Shun's much more interesting circle. Even Ayumi got almost nothing, until she died. Ayumi's friends and that yandere girl didn't get introduced until the episode they became relevant, and didn't show up again until the episode she get saved, and then disappeared again. A lot of the development in the Yuu/Tomori relationship disappears thanks to the time traveling. The villains that kidnapped Kumagami and Tomori were introduced, executed a half-assed plan that failed, and dealt with in the same episode, I can't even remember if they had names. And then the very last episode covered even material for an entire 3~4 episode arc and ends up falling flat as a conclusion.

Score: 6/10, story as presented is obviously incomplete. If you look at the story as a typical VN, then the best way to explain this show is that it covers the prologue, skips over all the character and side arcs that would serve as the meat, and then covers the final arc centered on the main character that should only be unlocked after playing through the rest. I get the sense that's how Maeda wrote it.

Draco Spirit · 2015-09-28, 13:57

It's the focus issue, or lack of it isn't?

Interesting thing is if you watched any episode as a standalone, then they all work fairly well, but you expect the other episodes to either foreshadow or reinforce other episodes themes.. and they don't.

And it's not even really a issue of space either, since there is very little going off in the first half of the show. They could have easy have introduced the yandere really early on and flashed a few warning signs that things were not going to end well. Likewise the older brother friends could have been show in a few out of context scenes or just in the background to set up there importance latter on.

There so many narrative red herrings too, like what was with Tomori being ok with being bullied? I thought it was going to lead to something important.. just ended up never being explained instead.

cyth · 2015-09-28, 14:03

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There so many narrative red herrings too, like what was with Tomori being ok with being bullied? I thought it was going to lead to something important.. just ended up never being explained instead.

It could've easily been a bait for people who are easily sympathetic to characters being bullied. Either that, or it's a small sign that plans changed midway production and the series took a turn for the worst. Maybe Maeda actually had solid plans for the series and he just got strongarmed by producers ... I think I've pretty much arrived to the conclusion that the mess couldn't have been all Maeda. There's a limit to how bad a show can get.

Draco Spirit · 2015-09-28, 14:12

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Originally Posted by cyth

It could've easily been a bait for people who are easily sympathetic to characters being bullied. Either that, or it's a small sign that plans changed midway production and the series took a turn for the worst. Maybe Maeda actually had solid plans for the series and he just got strongarmed by producers ... I think I've pretty much arrived to the conclusion that the mess couldn't have been all Maeda. There's a limit to how bad a show can get.

I thought it was hint that she was going to turn out to be some kind of servant for the big bad at the time.

Juke16 · 2015-09-28, 22:33

Wow this show started out alright, but then quickly spiraled into a dark descent... into something entirely terrible that is. This show could have been made much better if it had 24 episodes, the story progressed too fast and it would have been nice to see Yu's spiral into madness instead of watching him travel from Russia through Europe faster than Schumacher in a F1. Would have been nice to see how the kids ended up being affected in the end with a proper epilogue as well, Jun Maeda has REALLY , REALLY dropped the ball this time.

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I'm not even sure how the hell he hasn't been arrested by a major government or living in fear considering he took out what must be at least half of the world's terror groups, stopped one coup d'etat, and destroyed one UN facility (note the blue berets of the "hidden facility" guards which are usually indicative of peace keepers).

Eater of All · 2015-09-29, 00:48

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Originally Posted by Pocari_Sweat

For the lulz

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Oh god, I hadn't noticed the reception thing.

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Originally Posted by Draco Spirit

There so many narrative red herrings too, like what was with Tomori being ok with being bullied? I thought it was going to lead to something important.. just ended up never being explained instead.

This point is mentioned a lot, but I thought Nao being bullied is just a one-time emphasis on how she's hated by and isolated from most of her peers.

cyth · 2015-09-29, 00:53

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Originally Posted by Eater of All

This point is mentioned a lot, but I thought Nao being bullied is just a one-time emphasis on how she's hated by and isolated from most of her peers.

That scene, those girls gave off the vibe that they had a good reason to hate her.

Iron Maw · 2015-09-29, 01:37

Oddly enough contrary to my expectations this wasn't as bad I thought it would be, then again my expectations were "rock-bottom" so it would take some really effort to surpass that of the worst.

One thing I can while I too have a lot of issues with this show I do think they did a decent job bringing Yuu's development full circle on a character level. Yeah your gonna suspend your belief on some of things he does to reach this point (completing this ridiculous plan in just a couple months in this episode being one example) I do feel like he's grown somewhat from the selfish lowlife he was in episode 1. Which is probably more than I can say for everyone else (or the plot in general) sadly. Had Charlotte been a more cohesive show this ending could been stronger as I do like it in concept. I still don't like Yuu himself all that much though.

At this point I feel comfortable in saying that Meada isn't cut out for writing anime scenarios. He doesn't seemed have learned from his mistakes in AB at all and his style clearly better suited for a VN. If he's doing the writing for another show I'm mostly won't watch it but seeing I stuck around for Charlotte it's entire run means that I probably don't hate it at least.

Grade: 6/10

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Originally Posted by Pocari_Sweat

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This is great!

~~Pocari_Sweat~~ · 2015-09-29, 03:46

So the first volume of charlotte sold 6.2k bluray. Probs about 7k with DVDs.

Firstly I'm happy it didn't beat shirobako sales, it came no where near it. But it also didn't beat Hanasaku Iroha or tari tari sales either! Yay! Maybe this will discourage PA works from collaborating with Key in the future.

On the other hand, 6.2k is still not a small figure. Too many imo.

tsunade666 · 2015-09-29, 03:48

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Originally Posted by Pocari_Sweat

So the first volume of charlotte sold 6.2k bluray. Probs about 7k with DVDs.

Firstly I'm happy it didn't beat shirobako sales, it came no where near it. But it also didn't beat Hanasaku Iroha or tari tari sales either! Yay! Maybe this will discourage PA works from collaborating with Key in the future.

On the other hand, 6.2k is still not a small figure. Too many imo.

6.2k bluray and 7k for dvd? or 6.2k total sales?

because even by 6.2 alone, its above average in anime sales.

~~Pocari_Sweat~~ · 2015-09-29, 03:50

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Originally Posted by tsunade666

6.2k bluray and 7k for dvd? or 6.2k total sales?

because even by 6.2 alone, its above average in anime sales.

7k with DVDs. But it's only a guess since I only have stats for bluray discs atm.

To be honest I was expecting 10k+ due to the key brand name but looks like the Japanese fan base was somewhat reasonable this time not buying into the junk.

Marcus H. · 2015-09-29, 03:51

Yeah, it's too much, especially because they are also selling CDs of Yusa's and Sala's songs as How-Low Hello and ZHIEND respectively. You can even call it good sales, since some originals like Classroom Crisis won't get that much.

I guess people are preparing their wallets for Owarimonogatari?

~~Pocari_Sweat~~ · 2015-09-29, 03:54

This is off topic but... blerg monogatari franchise...

Aside from bakemonogatari I seriously don't get its appeal...

larethian · 2015-09-29, 03:58

It's all about marketing. And for collectors, it's not just the story alone that makes a BD/DVD collection worth collecting. There are other factors involved like accompanying merchandise and other tied-in goods and supplementaries. In my historical days of collecting, I would have been attracted to stuff like additional write-ups, special interviews, limited edition artwork, etc. etc. among other stuff. I may like a particular show for other factors other than plot which might make me want to buy the discs. OTH, I would not spend cash on a phenomenal story which was severely lacking in nice goods.

2015-09-28, 10:15	Link #1382
Arya Senior Member Join Date: May 2004	mh. Underwhelming ending. But one thing. The courage girl, it did save the finale, it was so nonsensical that it called me back to the episode. What was she doing in that place of all places? Being brave doesn't mean being irrational and irresponsible. And what's the meaning of it within the story? Still I'm glad it was there since it make me smile when I was honestly a bit unimpressed until then. Spoiler for space-saving purposes: Previously someone pointed out to me that this is a nakige kind of story, so that is supposed to have an heart-warming romance (absent) where the lovers are forced to be separated (they were no lovers and there's no reason to suspect Nao being in love with him) and it culminates with an emotional reunion. Sorry, but I didn't see any of the above. I'm a character driven kind of viewer, so if a show on purpose , or like in this case that they don't care or are unable to, decides to give up to its narrative consistency and more than half of his characters, I'll keep sticking with the characters I like if there are any, and in this case Nao is basically the only saving grace of the show (together with Yuu). I so have no real problem with the courage girl (that was the best hilarious moment of the entire season) or the deus ex machina rescue, or Yuu being exhausted and unable to walk one moment, but being almost normal 5 minutes later, making evident there's no real downsides carrying like thousands of powers. Speaking of downsides, each power was supposed to carry a downside or a deficiency making the power inefficient. But that was omitted later on. And I can go on and on. I overlook the introduction to time-leaps for now. Then they even shafted Nao for more than the decency should suggest and that started to bug me. Going to the point, the real disaster and sin of the show is one. They build up a quite strong relationship between Nao and Yuu. They gave them their respective moments to get closer to each other with even a certain sensibility that you wouldn't expect given the tone and overall quality of the show in every aspect. (Or maybe thanks to that it shined more). Letting aside that the first event stemmed from the artificial dead of Yuu's sister, the aftermath worked well in that regard, ending with Nao saving Yuu after being invisible beside him for days. Then it was the time for Yuu to return it to her with the help of Sala (Sala, who's she?). Helping so Nao's brother recovery. Nao VA did an awesome job conveying everything was going on, everything, withing the limited tonalities of Nao's voice. I can easily call it the best moment of the show. That was the peak that led to the concert / date. Then the disaster. They had to make Yuu time leap. At that point everything they build up until that point got completely thrown away. Nao is not a character you can make go back a forth more than once. Yuu was already lucky she went forward that time. So whatever happened after that point lost all the meaning and chemistry gained previously, resulting quite dry and sterile. Yuu declared to Nao who reacted like anyone in her position would have. Nao's attachment toward Yuu at that point was so downscaled I do wonder if she had any feelings for him. In fact her idea looked more like a joke. She proposed to him an impossible task, putting herself as a reward if he would have accomplished it. So he left, looted everything and came back, with no memory of hers. Results? we had the character in love devoided of his feelings, facing his beloved of which we don't know how she felt back then nor how she feel now, but we know what she promised, so whatever her feelings are she has to stick with it. (but obviously she felt in love with him in the meantime). She even commented how she didn't expect it to hurt so much, giving credit to the theory that when she made the promise she hadn't true feelings for Yuu. And so they grew thank to the distance or the sacrifice. Clap clap, well made guys. How to screw a story in one step. They should have stick with the previous timeline (I know I debated about timelines before, but it doesn't matter anymore I guess) and everything would have been far more emotional, an emotional and completely messed up ending, but better than a dry and completely messed up ending I won't rate it, I usually don't. And I can't even compare it to AB! since I forgot almost everything relevant about it, apart that I, ehm, let's say I didn't like it. As already pointed out, Nao is what this show should be credited for. But well, it's like saying that Valvrave should be credited for Saki. Both shows should be credited, but I feel more sorry for the two characters that had to perform in them To be completely fair I have to give credit to the show for Nao, as I said, and so also to be able to finally have a Key character that doesn't immediately force me to drop the show without any second thought. Because that's the relation I have with Key. I forced my self to stick with LB for the usual three episodes rule, but I couldn't make it. And finally because it was fun sticking with this thread. I dare say without it I'd have less than the half fun I had. As a side note, what is this Rewrite thing? The story will be re-written by a different writer? __________________ *The meaning of things lies not in the things themselves, but in our attitude towards them.* Last edited by Arya; 2015-09-28 at 10:28.

2015-09-28, 13:06	Link #1387
justsomeguy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004	I want to like this show, but no matter how I look at it, this show is pretty terrible. The story was obviously planned out ahead of time, but then huge chunks were deemed unnecessary and cut out. Remember at the beginning when the audience was wondering on how the powers were related to the psyche of the characters, and speculated on how they would disappear once their issues were resolved? All that came to nothing. Things like character arcs/development, villain development, etc are all missing. Takajo and Yusa/Misa got almost no focus despite supposedly being major characters and played little role in the main story, especially compared to Shun's much more interesting circle. Even Ayumi got almost nothing, until she died. Ayumi's friends and that yandere girl didn't get introduced until the episode they became relevant, and didn't show up again until the episode she get saved, and then disappeared again. A lot of the development in the Yuu/Tomori relationship disappears thanks to the time traveling. The villains that kidnapped Kumagami and Tomori were introduced, executed a half-assed plan that failed, and dealt with in the same episode, I can't even remember if they had names. And then the very last episode covered even material for an entire 3~4 episode arc and ends up falling flat as a conclusion. Score: 6/10, story as presented is obviously incomplete. If you look at the story as a typical VN, then the best way to explain this show is that it covers the prologue, skips over all the character and side arcs that would serve as the meat, and then covers the final arc centered on the main character that should only be unlocked after playing through the rest. I get the sense that's how Maeda wrote it. __________________ Currently watching: Arrow, The Flash, Gundam IBO, Euphonium, Occultic;Nine, Girlish Number Currently playing: LoH Trails in the Sky SC

2015-09-29, 03:51	Link #1398
Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	Yeah, it's too much, especially because they are also selling CDs of Yusa's and Sala's songs as How-Low Hello and ZHIEND respectively. You can even call it good sales, since some originals like Classroom Crisis won't get that much. I guess people are preparing their wallets for Owarimonogatari? __________________ Continuing: White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.

2015-09-28, 12:26	Link #1386
GDB Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Age: 38	Well, if I recall they said the last time the comet came was centuries before. That gives them plenty of time to distribute the vaccine via water sources and such.

2015-09-28, 13:57	Link #1388
Draco Spirit Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2013	It's the focus issue, or lack of it isn't? Interesting thing is if you watched any episode as a standalone, then they all work fairly well, but you expect the other episodes to either foreshadow or reinforce other episodes themes.. and they don't. And it's not even really a issue of space either, since there is very little going off in the first half of the show. They could have easy have introduced the yandere really early on and flashed a few warning signs that things were not going to end well. Likewise the older brother friends could have been show in a few out of context scenes or just in the background to set up there importance latter on. There so many narrative red herrings too, like what was with Tomori being ok with being bullied? I thought it was going to lead to something important.. just ended up never being explained instead.

2015-09-28, 22:33	Link #1391
Juke16 Member Join Date: Mar 2011	Wow this show started out alright, but then quickly spiraled into a dark descent... into something entirely terrible that is. This show could have been made much better if it had 24 episodes, the story progressed too fast and it would have been nice to see Yu's spiral into madness instead of watching him travel from Russia through Europe faster than Schumacher in a F1. Would have been nice to see how the kids ended up being affected in the end with a proper epilogue as well, Jun Maeda has REALLY , REALLY dropped the ball this time. EDIT: I'm not even sure how the hell he hasn't been arrested by a major government or living in fear considering he took out what must be at least half of the world's terror groups, stopped one coup d'etat, and destroyed one UN facility (note the blue berets of the "hidden facility" guards which are usually indicative of peace keepers).

2015-09-29, 03:46	Link #1395
~~Pocari_Sweat~~ <em style="color:#808080;">Disabled By Request</em> Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Australia	So the first volume of charlotte sold 6.2k bluray. Probs about 7k with DVDs. Firstly I'm happy it didn't beat shirobako sales, it came no where near it. But it also didn't beat Hanasaku Iroha or tari tari sales either! Yay! Maybe this will discourage PA works from collaborating with Key in the future. On the other hand, 6.2k is still not a small figure. Too many imo.

2015-09-29, 03:54	Link #1399
~~Pocari_Sweat~~ <em style="color:#808080;">Disabled By Request</em> Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Australia	This is off topic but... blerg monogatari franchise... Aside from bakemonogatari I seriously don't get its appeal...

2015-09-29, 03:58	Link #1400
larethian Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010	It's all about marketing. And for collectors, it's not just the story alone that makes a BD/DVD collection worth collecting. There are other factors involved like accompanying merchandise and other tied-in goods and supplementaries. In my historical days of collecting, I would have been attracted to stuff like additional write-ups, special interviews, limited edition artwork, etc. etc. among other stuff. I may like a particular show for other factors other than plot which might make me want to buy the discs. OTH, I would not spend cash on a phenomenal story which was severely lacking in nice goods.