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Hm, didn't Ryukishi say something like "some people might not recognize the murders at first"? Quote:
For instance, in a story, it's totally reasonable to say that an event X happened according to random chance, even if you deliberately wrote it that way. So Ange can pick a cake slice "at random" in piece terms and still be "certainly correct" in author terms. But think about what that means when, instead of dictating a pre-arranged plot, the author decides to let the pieces act naturally, as Featherine apparently does for Ange. In that case, a piece's beliefs and actions might very well influence the author to change the contents of a cat box for her, even if from the piece's perspective "there was always only one truth in the box."
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2011-05-16, 23:33 | Link #1008 | |
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One more question, Bern said the seals couldn't be broken, however Rudolf or Kyrie would have had to break them to get out of the mansion for the final scene, what's up with that? are we to imply the game ended when we gave an answer so it doesn't count anymore that's a bit of a cheat |
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2011-05-17, 00:19 | Link #1011 |
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I'm pretty sure she does since she gives you a riddle. However, Beatrice doesn't give a riddle either...lesse.
Kinzo, Krauss, Natsuhi, Jessica, Eva, Hideyoshi, George, Rudolf, Kyrie, Rosa, Maria, Nanjo, Genji, Gohda, Kumasawa, Shannon, Kanon. 17. Yea, alright. I miscounted initially.
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2011-05-17, 05:57 | Link #1012 | |
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About seals, I guess I'll have to more makeup a theory but... My understanding is not that the seals "keep them inside" as much as it's a statement that "so far, the seal hasn't been broken, thus they cannot have left". Naturally this imply they can leave anytime, just that they hadn't yet. Unrelated but concerning the 17 medals, the whole thing's a bit far right now but I seem to remember that Jessica and George's puzzle gave 2 metals. 16 Puzzles, but 17 medals. |
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2011-05-17, 08:49 | Link #1014 |
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By saying that I think she was only ruling out in our reasoning that "seal was intact at X moment but it could later be broken". It's not a red that has an actual bearing on the progression of the story, which is a separate thing from our reasoning in finding the culprit.
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2011-05-17, 09:00 | Link #1015 |
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However the fact that the seals can't be broken seems to be a big point..... if the seal could be broken at any time then for example Battler/Kyrie would be enough for the solution, you need a third culprit because someone must stay hidden in the room. If the seal could be broken at any time the same person who hid in the room could just walk out of the mansion and kill the others with the help of battler
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2011-05-17, 12:14 | Link #1016 |
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Dude, it's ducttape; you can break that shit trying to open a door. The only thing tapeseals actually do is make sure no one leaves without leaving a sign. Therefor Kyrie and Rudolf had to keep playing dead until Battler had the survivors dwindled and cornered.
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2011-05-17, 18:08 | Link #1017 |
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The red does say that "all of the seals... will not be broken" though. Which means that even though it's possible to break the seals, noone did, and the garden scene is contradictory if this red is taken at face value (only one of Rudolf and Kyrie should be there). I guess you could get around this by saying the red only applied to the game itself, and not stuff that happened afterwards.
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2011-05-17, 21:13 | Link #1019 |
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Confused on one point of the culprit game:
Couldn't George have killed Maria (or Battler if George and Maria were together) after the 8th twilight? That would have allowed for them to be the child culprits. Their was nothing that required you to have committed a murder before the game 'ended' to be a culprit. |
2011-05-17, 21:33 | Link #1020 |
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@ ferthepoet
I sorta get the feeling you're making this more complex then it is. Think of the red truth as a "rule of the game" and of Rudolph/Kyrie's final appearance as "an endgame cutscene". @ Domiano Why need murders after when the story tells us directly we can set that rule aside by having them murder before? |
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