(L) Fairy Tail Manga Discussion Thread

[ellifeedn]

Consider this then:

Spoiler:

Since there are two versions of people, Edo and Earthland versions, what are the current status of both versions of Lisanna?

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by cyberdemon

don't assume that anime FT is exactly the same as manga FT. anime tends to take liberties when the manga author isn't even involved and i've seen some have to go in a completely different direction than the manga because they got rid of or changed important events (ie Rosario vampire anime compared to manga. They took out Tsukune's ghoul side and the second season for the anime became a mess as a result). They used the same events for the most part of that episode WASN'T in the manga and the manga is the only source that counts as canon.

the manga confirm she was dead. she was shown dying not disappear not getting in the head not dropping off a cliff but dying in either miria or elfman's arm.

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

the manga confirm she was dead. she was shown dying not disappear not getting in the head not dropping off a cliff but dying in either miria or elfman's arm.

she was shown injured, not dead. There had yet to be an actual scene where we see her truly die. Almost like the author was trying to avoid it. Perhaps her goodbye wasn't actually something different. There's no clear flashback of that day in the manga and as such everything is still up in the air. In fact in those scenes the only injury she seems to have is in the head. The rest of the body seems untouched. Amnesia?

read Rave Master and you'll see that "death" is not permanent or just a result of being misinformed for this author.

[Fenrir_valindri]

Read Rave Master, and notice quite a few characters actually did die for real.

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by cyberdemon

she was shown injured, not dead. There had yet to be an actual scene where we see her truly die. Almost like the author was trying to avoid it. Perhaps her goodbye wasn't actually something different. There's no clear flashback of that day in the manga and as such everything is still up in the air. In fact in those scenes the only injury she seems to have is in the head. The rest of the body seems untouched. Amnesia?

read Rave Master and you'll see that "death" is not permanent or just a result of being misinformed for this author.

she was shown dying so unless her body disappear right afterward she is dead.

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

she was shown dying so unless her body disappear right afterward she is dead.

i wouldn't be so sure. She was weak which was to be expected but the injuries didn't exactly look fatal (she barely even looked injured). It's entirely possible something happened beyond that though.

[Clarste]

The people who think she's dead saw her dying. They blame her death on events they witnessed firsthand. They saw the aftereffects of those events. The odds of her having "mysteriously disappeared" after suffering fatal wounds from Elfman and Mirajane and Elfman directly attributing her death to Elfman are slim to none. It's not like she died in mysterious circumstances. They saw her get hit. They saw her injured body. They think she died from the hit. Her body did not disappear. Unless you think they never checked if she was dead and just left her on the ground alone in the wilderness. And then decided to make a grave somewhere else for no reason instead of going back for the body.

It is extremely, extremely unlikely that she survived and was transferred to Edo. Like, so ridiculously unlikely that I would be morally obligated to punch Mashima in the face if he did that.

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by Clarste

The people who think she's dead saw her dying. They blame her death on events they witnessed firsthand. They saw the aftereffects of those events. The odds of her having "mysteriously disappeared" after suffering fatal wounds from Elfman and Mirajane and Elfman directly attributing her death to Elfman are slim to none. It's not like she died in mysterious circumstances. They saw her get hit. They saw her injured body. They think she died from the hit. Her body did not disappear. Unless you think they never checked if she was dead and just left her on the ground alone in the wilderness. And then decided to make a grave somewhere else for no reason instead of going back for the body.

It is extremely, extremely unlikely that she survived and was transferred to Edo. Like, so ridiculously unlikely that I would be morally obligated to punch Mashima in the face if he did that.

as far as Im aware only Elfman and Mira were there. None of the rest of FT were there i believe. there could be events that happened after that made them think she was dead when she actually wasn't

the fact that we haven't seen the events completely likely has a reason. The author just didn't want to put the complete details in form yet for precisely this reason.

[Clarste]

How? And even if there were events, why would they blame her death on Elfman's failed Takeover magic instead of those other events? It just doesn't make any sense.

[cloak_and_dagger]

Just wait for an epic flashback guys. It'll come sooner or later, lol.

[Destinyblade]

Spoiler:

This is just my theory, but I think this Lisanna is from Earthland and the one who died was from Edolas. In other words, the sister the Earthland Mirajane and Elfman knew all along was actually from Edolas and the two Lisannas got switched between worlds (likely through an anima).

Now, how can this happen? Perhaps the switch occurred when they were still babies or something like that. Even if I'm wrong on this theory, the explanation is almost certainly linked to the siblings' past and that will be explored in more detail, such as how they got to Fairy Tail, etc. (kinda like how Erza's past was revealed).

Either way, I'll be very interested to read the next chapter.

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by Destinyblade

Spoiler:

This is just my theory, but I think this Lisanna is from Earthland and the one who died was from Edolas. In other words, the sister the Earthland Mirajane and Elfman knew all along was actually from Edolas and the two Lisannas got switched between worlds (likely through an anima).

Now, how can this happen? Perhaps the switch occurred when they were still babies or something like that. Even if I'm wrong on this theory, the explanation is almost certainly linked to the siblings' past and that will be explored in more detail, such as how they got to Fairy Tail, etc. (kinda like how Erza's past was revealed).

Either way, I'll be very interested to read the next chapter.

i don't think that's it:

Spoiler for 198:

The Lisanna that was shown in flashback and the special chapter had inner magic. She was capable of using her magic without the need of magic weapons. Mystogan has been on Earthland for many years yet hasn't developed inner magic. so it doesn't look like just being in Earthland will allow you to develop inner magic. You have to be born there to get it. so being switched at birth isn't very likely.

[Destinyblade]

Originally Posted by cyberdemon

i don't think that's it:

Spoiler for 198:

The Lisanna that was shown in flashback and the special chapter had inner magic. She was capable of using her magic without the need of magic weapons. Mystogan has been on Earthland for many years yet hasn't developed inner magic. so it doesn't look like just being in Earthland will allow you to develop inner magic. You have to be born there to get it. so being switched at birth isn't very likely.

Spoiler:

I get that you're saying that because of Mystogan, but has it been directly stated that those from Edolas are incapable of developing and using magic without using items? In Edolas, you can't use magic without weapons/items, but does that apply when someone from Edolas goes to Earthland? Is it possible that Mystogan simply had a preference to use magic with just weapons/items?

What you're saying probably does make my theory a bit of a stretch, but I still think it's entirely possible.

Whatever the explanation is, I just hope it's not the Lisanna that Natsu remembers and that she has amnesia. Not only is the whole amnesia thing done so many times, but I would take it as the author simply wanting to bring her back in the story.

[Xellos-_^]

regarding chapter 198 translation.

last page

Spoiler:

the eng trans has it as

"supposedly long lost Lisanna has reach here form Edolas"

the correct translation should
"Form Edolas to here, the lisanna who was gone"

The chinese 失去 could be translated as gone or lost.

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

regarding chapter 198 translation.

last page

Spoiler:

the eng trans has it as

"supposedly long lost Lisanna has reach here form Edolas"

the correct translation should
"Form Edolas to here, the lisanna who was gone"

The chinese 失去 could be translated as gone or lost.

Spoiler for 198:

Just read the scanlation. I'm becoming more and more inclined to believe that Lisanna is the Earthland Lisanna.

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by cyberdemon

Spoiler for 198:

Just read the scanlation. I'm becoming more and more inclined to believe that Lisanna is the Earthland Lisanna.

the translation is crap. the translation needs a editor.

[Krono]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

the translation is crap. Who did the eng translation needs a new editor.

They also seem to have omitted the next chapter title. Which is rather a pity as that often gives us an idea of the next chapter.

[Bonta Kun]

Spoiler for 198:

Ok first off, the cover page......bloody great stuff there champ!

I really love Ft's cover pages, some of the best.

And so everyone makes it back to earthland and how they made their return was pretty funny, especially Erza.

The plan about the killing of the dragonslayers was a fake after all. I'm not quite sure what to make of all that but I'm not bothered as I just gonna move along and put it behind me.

Moar funny bits

Happy and his pops were so in sync

The contagious hand shaking was also very funny

Panther Lily as Happy put it "you sure got alot cuter" such a awesomely cute addition to the gang!

And then ends with quite the cliffhanger but as most of us have guessed anyway, LISANNA!!!
Want the next ch now just so I don't burn out the old grey cells thinking too much of the how and why.

[pampz21]

Spoiler for Lisana:

So this explain that edolas Lisana has magic inside her?.... oh syet! its the rebirth of NatsuXLisanna! poor Erza and Lucy i want to see them jealous

[KoroshiyaX]

198 and Lisanna...

Spoiler:

Could it be that as she was about to die in the past, she was turned into Lachryma + transferred to Edolas and that process somehow saved her life? May she has been in Lachryma form this whole time and got returned to Earthland with everyone else.