(L) To Love-ru -Trouble- Darkness [manga]

[Chosen_Hero]

Originally Posted by RedWingFM

The spoilers is true, I can guarantee you that. I see that link to the chapter and read this chapter. Maybe some words will be false or some phrases, but in general meaning they remained the same.

Well shit, Rito really fucked it up.

[Sixth]

That is why I said before, Momo should have give a try instead of giving up and went for harem plan as a compromise.

[Ramero]

Well, she really get Momo really good for that and strike right into her heart.

[Sacredus]

Originally Posted by ImperialFlameGod8190

Because if you aren't a complete fool you'd realize that they ignored Haruna because much like Onodera she had such a massive lead to the point that no development was needed. They ignored haruna's existence because the only thing she needed was a confession and that would end the series. Unless they did something else.

Read once again what I wrote.

What was predictable? Sophie knew what? That garbage level character that didn't do completly nothing in both series won? Characters like her (nice, almost ideal first love of MC), are just used for drama that is leading MC to conclusion that he loves series main heroine (that is not such ideal waifu). Nisekoi is great example of this. But for some reason not in this case. Momo was leading heroine of Darkness and series still focused on harem, practicaly almost completly ignoring Haruna existance, so how this is even possible, not to mention predictable?

Originally Posted by ImperialFlameGod8190

Nisekoi was never a true harem but a story filled with falsehoods that would never prove themselves. It was always Chitoge or Onodera and that was fairly clear. If we're being honest Nisekoi was even more disgraceful then TLR because in Nisekoi they made so many plot points they wrote themselves into a corner. It was becoming painful to watch because every character delayed the obvious conclusion that they'd have to chose 1 of the girls.

Lie to yourself more. Both are harem in same way. TLR was about Lala (main heroine and first girl - Chitoge) or Haruna (Onodera). It was never true harem. In Darkness harem was just Momo's idea. Momo was main heroine here and so her winning would be acceptable here (and maybe forming harem for Rito with few girls like Yami), Haruna almost don't have any screen time, almost don't don't existed here and now she suddenly show up and win. Biggest difference between this series is that Rito is even more disgrace to human kind that Raku and with this chapter he proved that he is worst harem/shoonen protagonist ever.

People wanted to go with Momo harem plan because they wanted they wanted harem, that all girls would be happy at the end. Problem is that Rito never crossed hurdle, throw Haruna aside like he should and we have consequences of it now. Harem is now impossible (or actually it never was because how bad character Rito was), if something would happen in 3rd series, that might be just Momo winning - and this chapter might be just that drama to open Rito's eyes but after this chapter really I don't see this happening.

And no, I never considered Haruna as part of harem, she was just a obstacle that Rito needed to cross to get development with Lala and here with Momo (or create harem).

Oh, and now I have great example to show people believing harem end without casting Lisha aside and Lux stopping been beta in Bahamut :/

[Ramero]

@Sacredus

Don't forget Tigre at Madan where he want to keep relationship with Vanadis without casting them aside aside of Fine and Tina.

Well, Rito never crossed the line about love to Haruna and i do hope Rito kept his word that he only want Haruna aside of Lala :v

[The Green One]

Well this has quickly gotten toxic.

[charasu]

Originally Posted by The Green One

Well this has quickly gotten toxic.

nahhh, this is normal discussion

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Originally Posted by Sacredus

Read once again what I wrote.


Lie to yourself more. Both are harem in same way. TLR was about Lala (main heroine and first girl - Chitoge) or Haruna (Onodera). It was never true harem. In Darkness harem was just Momo's idea. Momo was main heroine here and so her winning would be acceptable here (and maybe forming harem for Rito with few girls like Yami), Haruna almost don't have any screen time, almost don't don't existed here and now she suddenly show up and win. Biggest difference between this series is that Rito is even more disgrace to human kind that Raku and with this chapter he proved that he is worst harem/shoonen protagonist ever.

People wanted to go with Momo harem plan because they wanted they wanted harem, that all girls would be happy at the end. Problem is that Rito never crossed hurdle, throw Haruna aside like he should and we have consequences of it now. Harem is now impossible (or actually it never was because how bad character Rito was), if something would happen in 3rd series, that might be just Momo winning - and this chapter might be just that drama to open Rito's eyes but after this chapter really I don't see this happening.

And no, I never considered Haruna as part of harem, she was just a obstacle that Rito needed to cross to get development with Lala and here with Momo (or create harem).

Oh, and now I have great example to show people believing harem end without casting Lisha aside and Lux stopping been beta in Bahamut :/

[*snip*]

Haruna was number 1 in the harem that's something you'd have to be blind not to realize. The harem was only a reality if Haruna was okay with it and that my friend was obvious.

If you can acknowledge that TLR wasn't a true harem yet be pissed about the fact the harem plan seems to be dead you have problems.

Originally Posted by NapoleonDeCheese

That doesn't change the fact the sole reason why Haruna is 'necessary' in the first place is because of a plot fiat, a Just Because.

Haruna is the kind of unresponsive, painfully slow, dense to obvious displays of attraction, frustrating girl who, for all intents and purposes, should be left behind in the dust when there are far more proactive, just as physically attractive, girls pushing for the same boy, and often in much closer direct contact with him, and even sharing common interests with him (especially Momo's affition for plants and gardening). The only reason why she still persists as a competitor, in spite of her stubborn refusal to actually compete at all, is because Rito is obsessed and has an incredibly hard time moving on. Even when the universe itself pushes him to.

So I don't think theirs is a specially healthy relationship, even in the context of a humor manga. And once a ship starts pushing for winning ground, it has to provide reasons why it 'matters' in a 'serious' context. At that point the 'but lol, gags' teasing stops working, because that's where the story has to shift gears and at least for a while provide reasons why the relationship deserves standing over the others. Rito and Haruna's relationship... is one of two incredibly reluctant and slow moving people who, left to their own devices, would probably have grown old and gray without confessing to each other. I don't think that's a relationship particularly interesting to root for.

You're acting as though Rito isn't a ****** who has had two things be consistent this entire series. His "God falls" and his affection for Haruna.

Rito has tried and failed to confess but that's because he gets interfered with. If nothing else the stalled confession is a pot device. The truth is even Lala herself wants him to confess to Haruna though let's face it Lala is book smart but street stupid.

If they were left to their own devices he would've confessed to haruna at least 3 times by now but interference from various sources stopped them and yes one of those was haruna but that was only once.

Originally Posted by Chosen_Hero

From my point of view, by Rito choosing Haruna he pretty much discarded the other girls feelings (that he knew they had) aside. By making this move he pretty much disregarded Nemesis entire speech about how the girls he "tripped on" must have felt and in a way makes it look like he didn't care about it in the end because he is too obsessed with Haruna.

The worst part is that all of the girls always spoke about how he was a great guy but now by pretty much tossing them aside without even giving it a second thought he proved their belief in him wrong, heck, from the spoilers (I could be wrong) but he didn't even seems to have tried to take any of them into account when giving an answer, sadly now Rito looks like a gigantic asshole (in other series a move like this would mean a death flag for the guy in both physically and relationship-wise). The only saving grace is that Rito realizes quickly that what he did hurt the other girls and that it was a pretty asshole thing to do because his relationship with them has now been damaged by himself.

Now as I mentioned, the chapters haven't beem released/translated so take my post with a grain of salt, the spoiler never tell the entire picture. Again, I will not be reading any chapter until I hear news of this being fixed, if nothing happens and it stays like this then I will sadly have to drop this series.

Chosen i've known you for a long time on these forums so i couldn't be more disappointed. This has been about as predictable as it gets i don't know how you can say otherwise. Look Momo's harem plan was a plot device that was added so fans had something to look forward to but the painful reality was without Haruna the harem was never going to happen.

[Sacredus]

Originally Posted by ImperialFlameGod8190

This entire post is a joke and the fact you never considered Haruna a part of the harem means that you're just plain stupid.

Haruna was number 1 in the harem that's something you'd have to be blind not to realize. The harem was only a reality if Haruna was okay with it and that my friend was obvious.

If you can acknowledge that TLR wasn't a true harem yet be pissed about the fact the harem plan seems to be dead you have problems.

You think Haruna was number 1, main heroine, and you call me stupid? Thats just hilarius You're defening this this just because Haruna was clearly your favorite character, same with Onodera on Nisekoi. Just accept realeality, both of them were just a obstacle characters that shouldt have any chances o winning. It was not her giving ok to harem, it was all matter Rito casting her aside and moving foword, choosing main heroine or creating harem.

Edit:
And your replay to Chosen_Hero... Just no comment on this.

[RedWingFM]

I don't remember how many times people spoke about it, but I'll say it again: "If he really wants a harem, then his wife must be Lala", Momo or Nana(at least I thought earlier that only Lala must),but Momo knows it and she don't want to ruin her sister's happiness. But yes, I will say it over and over again, but main problem here is Haruna or that "couple", consisting of Rito and Haruna when they starting dating. (last spoilers).
Remember, in the last chapter of the original To Love-Ru he confessed to Lala, and in that last chapter to Haruna, but he said to Lala and Haruna that he has feelings for two of them. Really, why he confessed to Lala? Does he want a "pet" Lala or what? I don't understand.
And Rito said to Haruna: "I don't want that harem thing, I wanted to reject all of them from the beginning."
I am more interested in what Nemesis is going to do. Nemesis wanted harem, I just don't know why, but "she see something". And what Momo is going to do?
Last chapter must give us the answer to that.

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Originally Posted by Sacredus

You think Haruna was number 1, main heroine, and you call me stupid? Thats just hilarius You're defening this this just because Haruna was clearly your favorite character, same with Onodera on Nisekoi. Just accept realeality, both of them were just a obstacle characters that shouldt have any chances o winning. It was not her giving ok to harem, it was all matter Rito casting her aside and moving foword, choosing main heroine or creating harem.

Edit:
And your replay to Chosen_Hero... Just no comment on this.

Onodera was my favorite in Nisekoi but that's not relevant to the discussion.

We can agree to disagree on Haruna and i'll leave it at that. I'm not gonna convince you and you won't convince me.

Originally Posted by RedWingFM

I don't remember how many times people spoke about it, but I'll say it again: "If he really wants a harem, then his wife must be Lala", Momo or Nana(at least I thought earlier that only Lala must),but Momo knows it and she don't want to ruin her sister's happiness. But yes, I will say it over and over again, but main problem here is Haruna or that "couple", consisting of Rito and Haruna when they starting dating. (last spoilers).
Remember, in the last chapter of the original To Love-Ru he confessed to Lala, and in that last chapter to Haruna, but he said to Lala and Haruna that he has feelings for two of them. Really, why he confessed to Lala? Does he want a "pet" Lala or what? I don't understand.
And Rito said to Haruna: "I don't want that harem thing, I wanted to reject all of them from the beginning."
I am more interested in what Nemesis is going to do. Nemesis wanted harem, I just don't know why, but "she see something". And what Momo is going to do?
Last chapter must give us the answer to that.

Rito had to get his feelings for Lala off his chest because it ate him alive. If anything that shows my point about Haruna being number 1 more true. This chapter will be interesting to be certain

[The Green One]

Originally Posted by charasu

nahhh, this is normal discussion

No it's toxic when it gets back and forth enough that I don't even want to read it anymore. That's toxic, at least for me personally. Besides there's no "right" answer for this discussion anyway.

[RedWingFM]

Originally Posted by ImperialFlameGod8190

Rito had to get his feelings for Lala off his chest because it ate him alive. If anything that shows my point about Haruna being number 1 more true. This chapter will be interesting to be certain

Yes, that's what I'm talking about. Why he confessed? He loves Haruna from the middle school, and Lala appeared in his life when he began his first year.

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Originally Posted by The Green One

No it's toxic when it gets back and forth enough that I don't even want to read it anymore. That's toxic, at least for me personally. Besides there's no "right" answer for this discussion anyway.

Originally Posted by RedWingFM

Yes, that's what I'm talking about. Why he confessed? He loves Haruna from the middle school, and Lala appeared in his life when he began his first year.

Because Rito is if nothing else a *******. He lacks the power to take away from the fact which hurts him big time

[Kuroageha]

Originally Posted by charasu

nahhh, this is normal discussion

No, it is, it's basically ImperialnotHarunafan vs everyone else.

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Originally Posted by Kuroageha

No, it is, it's basically ImperialHarunafan vs everyone else.

That's still standard and it's a constant. Let me correct you on the fact i am a Haruna fan


We have an idealized version of TLR which has Rito with all the girls who seem to like him and ignoring the one girl he actually likes (most of you) vs the Reality (ME).

As much as everybody hates Haruna they've blissfully ignored the fact that pretty much nobody shows assertiveness besides Momo and Mea who ma

ke him uncomfortable and Run who you forget is a character half the time. Yami just recently admitted her feelings and even that was hesitant.
Kotegawa can't say anything outside of shameless (though that's because half the time he sees her he's inside her underwear)

Nana talks about him being a beast. (Mostly because she usually sees Momo trying to jump his bones)


Momo is in his bed half the time and he's nervous at anything she tries

People have justified Oshizu (who is a ghost and haruna's biggest supporter) and Rin (Saki's bodyguard) although you never see either of them.... before Haruna who's biggest complaint seems to be development. I can tell by the way you guys talk a lot of you are smart but to ignore the fact that a Haruna confession essentially ends the series (one way or another) is painful

[NapoleonDeCheese]

Originally Posted by RedWingFM

Her mother is wise enough.

Maybe if she'd been really wise she'd have raised her children to be more functional. Momo's too manipulative and self delusional, Nana's too spoiled and trigger-tempered, and Lala's too detached from reality except when plot says otherwise.

All in all, now that I think on TLR parents I realize Rito kinda has an excuse in being so awful at relationships. He got a terrible first hand example on what's a couple supposed to be like. No way his parents' marriage can be healthy. It's been months since Lala arrived, and I don't think they've even shared a single panel together. I wouldn't be shocked if they revealed their marriage is a sham to keep appearances by this point.

Haruna and Yui do have good parents, though, it's just they're never on focus. That only makes those girls' behavior more inexcusable, especially Haruna's. She should have a good idea how romance is supposed to work, having parents and a sister with normal love lives. Yet she's still borderline autistic in love Because Reasons.

Rito has tried and failed to confess but that's because he gets interfered with.

In the same post you're replying to I admitted at least Rito tried to move things from his side a few things. I have no idea if you think you're showing me up after not really reading through the post or something else.

That still doesn't change the fact Haruna herself is someone who never does anything at all to achieve 'number one' status. She literally just stands back doing nothing while wishing Rito would ask her out, even ignoring the obvious signs he likes her and failing to act on them, and then out of nowhere her wish is granted. Fucking Cinderella does more to deserve her happy ending than she did, and we're talking about a woman who only succeeded at life because a Deus Ex Machina fairy showed up in her life.

And regarding the rest of the cast's alleged lack of assertiveness, Risa is assertive as fuck, especially for someone with a relatively minor interest on Rito. Had she been really serious and going all out from the start she'd have left Momo's attempts in the dust.

Run only was very take-charge until plot neutered her into being Kyoko's hip ornament who only shows up every once in a while.

Still, even the most submissive girls in the series pale next to Haruna's lack of a backbone or drive. She's literally the worst offender of the series in the 'cant' spit it out' department, so naturally she's rewarded for it. She's basically a shallow Yamato Nadeshiko masturbatory fantasy, the kind that reassures beta men there'll always be someone even more beta eternally waiting for them until they make their minds up on approaching them.

but to ignore the fact that a Haruna confession essentially ends the series (one way or another) is painful

The point is you keep ignoring and refusing to recognize the fact the only reason why that is a factor in the first place is because of bad writing. Leaving aside the characters themselves have no way of knowing they're acting a scripted story, leaving your Doylist approach useless in a Watsonian context, the only reason why 'confession to Haruna equals endgame' is even a thing is because the writer made Rito an one-note character only morbidly interested on Haruna in a way that would creep even most real world stalkers out. I mean, this is the guy who would hesitate between abandoning Haruna and THE FATE OF THE WHOLE OF MANKIND, including his baby sister he's supposed to love.

I mean, if Gid had blown Earth up, surely he'd have killed Haruna herself as well? Or would she have survived in outer space thanks to a bubble created by Rito's love? Goddammit, Rito, you're stupid.

There's nothing heartwarming about Rito's obsession with Haruna at this point, it's just the the shallow obsession of an emotionally stunted boy towards a woman who is even more emotionally stunted, despite the fact they repeteadly fail to connect and guess each other when it matters (hence so many misunderstandings). When even the crushes of the manipulative, borderline sociopathic aliens resorting to Dick Dastardly tricks to win at love come off better than yours you should realize you're failing at the whole love thing.

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Originally Posted by NapoleonDeCheese

Maybe if she'd ben really wise she'd have raised her children to be more functional. Momo's too manipulative and self delusional, Nana's too spoiled and trigger-tempered, and Lala's too detached from reality except when plot says otherwise.

All in all, now that I think on TLR parents I realize Rito kinda has an excuse in being so awful at relationships. He got a terrible first hand example on what's a couple supposed to be like. No way his parents' marriage can be healthy. It's been months since Lala arrived, and I don't think they've even shared a single panel together. I wouldn't be shocked if they revealed their marriage is a sham to keep appearances by this point.

Haruna and Yui do have good parents, though, it's just they're never on focus.

You're acting like Sephie isn't a women who can't even show her face without people going bonkers and Gid isn't a pervert who gives Issei Hyoudou a run for his money and has the power of SS3 Goku.

Rito's parents relationship is very healthy the family life sucks balls.

Haruna lives with her sister and Yui's parents are a nonfactor.

The only person who remembers Lala and Rito were engaged is you that's not been a factor since the early part of To Love Ru

[NapoleonDeCheese]

Originally Posted by ImperialFlameGod8190

You're acting like Sephie isn't a women who can't even show her face without people going bonkers and Gid isn't a pervert who gives Issei Hyoudou a run for his money and has the power of SS3 Goku.

Rito's parents relationship is very healthy the family life sucks balls.

Haruna lives with her sister and Yui's parents are a nonfactor.

The only person who remembers Lala and Rito were engaged is you that's not been a factor since the early part of To Love Ru

Again, do you have a reading understanding problem? No, seriously. When did I deny Lala's own parents were awful in their own way? I outright said I didn't think Sephie wasn't as wise as the poster I quoted implied, and Gid's the kind of asshole who would kill six billions of innocents just because some turd they never met rejected his daughter. The Oni from Urusei Yatsura are perfectly reasonable compared to Gid. When they move in with bad intentions for the planet, at least it's for more pragmatic reasons and give the planet an open chance which is relatively fair (had it been really unfair, a loser like Ataru would never have won).

Yui's parents are a 'non factor' only from a reader's perspective. In-universe, they still raised Yui and educated her, and they remain a constant in her life. Seriously, what's the point or arguing against that?

Also, if you think a marriage where both parents don't see each other or their underage children for months raking more than half a year is 'very healthy', son, I don't know what to tell you.

"Rito's parents relationship is very healthy the family life sucks balls" is an abysmal self-contradiction in terms. A sucky family life means it's also unhealthy, it's either one thing or the other. There's no such thing as a sucky healthy situation, what kind of statement would that be?

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Originally Posted by NapoleonDeCheese

Again, do you have a reading understanding problem? No, seriously. When did I deny Lala's own parents were awful in their own way? I outright said I didn't think Sephie wasn't as wise as the poster I quoted implied, and Gid's the kind of asshole who would kill six billions of innocents just because some turd they never met rejected his daughter. The Oni from Urusei Yatsura are perfectly reasonable compared to Gid. When they move in with bad intentions for the planet, at least it's for more pragmatic reasons and give the planet an open chance which is relatively fair (had it been really unfair, a loser like Ataru would never have won).

Yui's parents are a 'non factor' only from a reader's perspective. In-universe, they still raised Yui and educated her, and they remain a constant in her life. Seriously, what's the point or arguing against that?

Also, if you think a marriage where both parents don't see each other or their underage children for months raking more than half a year is 'very healthy', son, I don't know what to tell you.

"Rito's parents relationship is very healthy the family life sucks balls" is an abysmal self-contradiction in terms. A sucky family life means it's also unhealthy, it's either one thing or the other. There's no such thing as a sucky healthy situation, what kind of statement would that be?

Let me just pump the brakes for a moment because we're both a bit edgy especially me.

One of the classic features of harems and a lot of manga like this is the absence of parents. You could say that the lack of actual parental supervision allows it to happen. So let me stop that point. We can both agree that parents in most of the harem stories are either non-factors or are useless. So let's agree on that.