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2010-03-24, 20:13 | Link #6962 | |
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2010-03-24, 20:18 | Link #6963 | |
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Or, he's given us a bunch of nonsense; but the process of piecing together that nonsense should stimulate thought nonetheless which may lead to victory. Regardless, he's been trying to disguise his clues so he doesn't have to outright state solutions, so naturally they'd be difficult to find. Isn't that somehow Umineko related? "Hidden passages [clues] may exist, but naturally you wouldn't find them..." edit: I call Knox's Third on you chrono; please give us unhidden hints |
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2010-03-24, 20:18 | Link #6964 |
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Chrono, I just wanted to say thank you for what you have posted out there for us. In my opinion, you have not been elitist or trolling at all. Part of the point of Umineko is to have people talking and thinking about the story, Ryukishi doesn't want us to just stop thinking. If chrono just posted a huge wall of text explaining his theory, whether it was true or not, (or if Ryukishi just laid the answer out like in Higurashi, despite saying he wouldn't) people would stop thinking. Those of us who know Higurashi's answer, how much thinking are you doing now? The way chrono's laying his theory out, it allows me to continue thinking on my own.
As Arachanox said, you have me thinking in a way that I hadn't before, and I appreciate that. Plus, I have been working on learning to read Japanese and done some basic translating...As long as it takes me to get through just basic Kanji, I can't even begin to fathom how much you've looked at Umineko's text.
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Well, I can at least comment of the first twilight of EP3. Remember when Shannon, Kanon, and Genji are all running towards Kinzo's study? We're then told that "Kanon ran so quietly that he made less sound than the rain when he stepped in puddles". In my experience, that's impossible. Again, not a proof, but a hint.
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2010-03-24, 20:23 | Link #6967 | |
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In reality this isn't possible except through mass delusion, but us (the readers) may have an imperfect viewpoint causing us to see Battler as if he recognized the existence of Kanon. Perhaps in reality Battler doesn't see him since he doesn't exist. But we are shown Battler seeing Kanon for some ulterior purpose. edit: I say Featherine/Ryukishi author shenanigans are somehow at work. |
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2010-03-24, 20:25 | Link #6968 | |
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2010-03-24, 20:27 | Link #6969 | |
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2010-03-24, 20:29 | Link #6970 |
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Hmmm.. in an effort to get back onto topic... I've posted on this before and got no response but maybe our current discussion has been heading towards this anyways.
I was saying, what are the chances that all furniture are constructed entities, as some of you have been saying? This includes Shannon, Kanon and Genji. EP5 showed us that the author is justified in bringing in Erika so long as in the 'real world' there was a chance that she could've been on Rokkenjima on that day. I was thinking that instead of Shkannon, we could have that Kanon was written in... or perhaps, he wrote himself in to the story, on the assumption that he *should* have been there that day. It's possible for someone like Shannon or Kanon to be declared dead if after the incident he went into hiding; like living under an assumed name. (This is also what I suspect Ange of doing in 1998, going off with Amakusa and being someone else. Otherwise we have a very sad, sad ending. 8) ) |
2010-03-24, 20:29 | Link #6971 | |
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2010-03-24, 20:32 | Link #6972 | |
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Also, do we have Battler ever directly taking note of the Jessica-Kanon relationship? If we do, then how is it possible for Battler to objectively view Jessica's feelings for Kanon if in reality Kanon was not there on those fateful days? If you argue that Kanon wrote that in there as well, then you're breaking Battler's PoV law and we die a horrible, logic death. |
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2010-03-24, 20:34 | Link #6973 |
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Problem with a small part:
No. If he knows and wants to tell us all, he should tell us all. If he knows and wants to tell us a little, he should tell us little. If he knows and wants to tell us nothing, he should tell us nothing. He has told us little, and that is obviously his intent. Small clues and hints. You are anti-vagueness. I am pro-subtleness. Or have I misinterpreted your intent? |
2010-03-24, 20:34 | Link #6974 |
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There is a part when they're coming back from the beach in one episode where it's suggested Jessica has a crush on Kanon, causing her to blush. That said, I don't recall Kanon actually being present in the scene, or at least relevantly present. And nothing stops people from talking about someone who isn't around.
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2010-03-24, 20:36 | Link #6975 | |
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2010-03-24, 20:38 | Link #6976 | |
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In EP1, I think the first time it is revealed to Battler that Jessica loved Kanon was after his death. And before his death, he was never doing anything that showed he loved her back. In the later EPs he has grown to love her a lot more. I wonder if that's what you were asking about. |
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2010-03-24, 20:40 | Link #6977 | |
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However, outside these episodes we know there are two authors, Hachijou and Unknown EP1+2 writer. Featherine is not an author, she is a character in the meta world of EP6. Sort of like Hachijou's self-insertion character. I've been trying to work on the identity of this writer; it must be someone with intimate knowledge of the truth Hachijou spoke of and I bet it's someone most likely connected to the events. This author would leave clues about what really happened, so I thought the clues about Shkannon are clues pointing to one of them not being on the island. |
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2010-03-24, 20:40 | Link #6978 |
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For argument's sake, let's say Kanon really is writing in his relationship with Jessica. It's possible he actually had one, so even if he were the one spinning in his POV, it would still not be a lie.
And an author - if you're going for that angle, which is always an interesting but perilous theoretical ground despite ep6's support - can say whatever he or she wants, of course, regardless of truth. It's true in a literary fashion even if none of it really happened. |
2010-03-24, 20:42 | Link #6979 | |
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2010-03-24, 20:44 | Link #6980 | |
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I've heard that Kanon's relationships with everyone on the island seem to change dramatically. Genji and Kumasawa as father/mother figures, friendly Kinzo, nice Krauss, stern Natushi (for his own good), etc. Where did all of this come from? *Could* Kanon be writing the island-life he truly wanted to have? Or were we deceived up until now? I don't like this theory. What is DIFFERENT this EP for Kanon-X relationships to be shown differently? Is the whole "without love..." being taken to a new level? Did these relationships not exist before Kanon realized his 'love' for Jessica, or did Kanon simply not notice them? |
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