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btw with the letter, it seems it might turn out to be another Tokyo first trip again, which I honest really don't wanna see again, I mean whats with deciding to meet up and it never actually happeneing in this manga?
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Really? What chapter states so please? I want to see.
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Who? Eba?
She must have her reasons. If she's truly in love with another guy, and just dumped Haruto like this, then she really is a horrible person. Quote:
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2010-01-11, 19:54 | Link #1967 | |
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1. choice 2. by neccessity 3. by force. I'm going for choice 3 Last edited by cyberdemon; 2010-01-12 at 01:35. |
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2010-01-12, 02:25 | Link #1968 | |
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However, this reminds me of a cold war movie with Clarke Gable called "Never Let Me Go". He worked in Russia during the war years and was kicked out when relations became bad between US and Russia after the war. The one problem is that he had a russian wife who wasn't allowed to leave with him. He finally recieved a "Dear John" letter from her a year or 6 months later. That is when he smelled a rat and knew beyond a doubt that it was forced, yes, as a man's man, he went and got her back. My apologies to any Russian forum readers, it was a bad movie...but, why am I seeing the plot here? Maybe. I think Eba supporters, as I label them, are right in principle. If you truly love someone and know them...you know when something is wrong. The evidence is condemning, but you know it is a farse. In the end, the truth is out. That is where Seo could shine here. If she was indeed forced to do something against her will and it was horrible. He will be the saviour. Forced? How? Let's try family abuse. Let us say this boyfriend X doesn't exist. Let us say that Rin is league with the devil so to speak and acts as a propaganda force. What is this forced action? I can only hope Seo makes it of such a nature it is believable. A woman, who is truly in love, never dares jeopardizes it. Unless it is very muddy. As in, date this man, or the guy you love will be killed. If Eba does get another boyfriend and the reasons aren't entirely believable, I believe this is what they refer to as "Jump the Shark". It seems all that character development by Seo about this love since childhood is for naught. However, this is the real world and rarely are both man and women angels to each other. Hence, for realism, as with Suzuka, we may have a character that forgives out of love. Unfortunately, and do not judge me fellow readers, I am not a forgiving man when it comes to love. I will have trouble reading a manga where the character is willing to forgive a woman where I am not. Am I cold? Perhaps I do not know love? I argue, if you reject me, how could you have ever loved me? I am not the only one who believes this. As a book once spoke out to me when a man was wronged by a woman he loved. "That is when love died, and hate was born". Nanami is more "suited" for him. However, I believe the truimph in this story is that two opposite people could love each other and reject the social restrictions on them. I hope Eba fights for her man too. If she is weak, then what value is there in her? You need a mate which guarantee's your genetic monopoly. Not some whore willing to produce a litter (eventually) from any suitable and powerful rival. Sigh... So, all I see here is Seo burning through alot of drama. I think if I was Haruto. I can't understand his actions. He works hard, but is too sophisticated emotionally? Or perhaps emotionally stupid? All he can do is love love love, and not care about being hurt? I mean, come on. How many young boys are like this? I was very simple and naive emotionally at that time. I would have cried my eyes out in private. My heart would have died. I would have taken what she said at face value. I would not have dated Nanami as I would not want to get close to another person to get hurt again. I would have focused on grades, physical performance in sports, and developing a successful and powerful career. Make her lose out by losing a man that is everything she isn't. He needs a real woman. A real woman in love could stop the world from turning. That is the truth folks. My wife sacrificed alot to marry me and didn't care. What's Eba's problem? She doesn't love enough in my book. I just can't believe Seo is going to give her a decent reason. She is soiled and ruined in my book. Actually, so is Nanami as she rejected him earlier, understandable though. However, no man likes a rebound. Whoever said Akari is a man after my own heart. I may be ranting, but I apologize. For those of you like me, who like to see themselves in manga characters, I am sure you appreciate some of the points. This post is like a painting. I paint with wide and general strokes. If you don't agree, that's fine. Just know it comes from my heart as much as my mind. So feel free to state what you think. HF |
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2010-01-12, 03:31 | Link #1969 | |
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Until we actually SEE Eba, i really think it's too early to call her soiled. We haven't seen if she's actually happy. We haven't seen if she is really sad. If we even just got one little shot of her looking truly happy with the guy it would be one thing but Seo has specifically kept Eba out of any pictures he has drawn since her last talk with Haruto and there must be a good reason for it. Like we wouldn't believe she was truly happily with another guy if we were to see her looking so sad while she is by herself. Yet it would really reinforce, and add more drama, to what has been said if she was actually shown looking happy but there was none of that. I'd say the first picture we actually see of her from now on will really say all the words needed. |
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2010-01-12, 04:02 | Link #1970 |
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We heard it straight from the horse's mouth: Eba broke up with Haruto. End of story.
Yes, the circumstances are suspect. Maybe Eba is not being truthful. But she still broke up with him! Unless the letter was forged, no other explanation will change that fact. After Haruto resolves this mess with Eba and Nanami, I think it's time for him to look for other options. Akari, Kotone, or Shiho would be an improvement over this pathetic duo. Unfortunately, Rin seems to be the outsider most likely to get involved in this love web... but let's not go there. |
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2010-01-12, 12:02 | Link #1972 |
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I understand the position of those who I deem are more patient with Seo than I am. I simply, after my past dissapointments with this author, do not see a decent excuse for Eba. He seems to like to torture male leads.
The comment about Rin is interesting. She supposedly has a brother complex. Hence, is this revenge for hitting her brother? Is she trying to bambard and soften up the trenches before she makes her advance, assuming she also has some weird affection for him now. Albeit secret. If things are a lie, a first for Rin, all is fair in love and war. Hence, the reputation of Eba could be redeemed. I wish...but doubt this would be possible. I believe Seo will use the mistake Haruto made by being a boyfriend of a day to try to offset potential backlash against Eba's mistake.How can I even call it that now? However, they are not proportional. I believe Eba is justified for breaking up with Haruto for that. Unfortunately, as the manga has developed. It seems she already made up her mind to break up with him before that. So, it really isn't about him screwing up unfortunately. I could at least understand that. She may argue that when she seeks forgiveness herself, but, meh. A mute point. Arguments are about truth, not convenient excuses, even if they appear valid on face value. I need more information. Now I am spinning in circles. I keep repeating to myself that Eba has jumped the shark. She hasn't run back into Haruto's arms like the past. Hasn't been able to sacrifice everything. Is she the type that gives up after she gets what she wants? Is she afraid Haruto will break up with her, so breaks up first to avoid getting hurt? In the end, it is selfish and stupid. Oops. I am spinning my wheels again. Sorry. Enough said. Need more info. Need more info. I think we need Chapters 76 til 80 to clear some of this up. Unfortunately, those aren't even out yet...lol. Seo, what are you up too? This feels like sense and sensibility where the drama was fantastic, but the happy ending by Jane Austin felt forced and unrealistic. Know what I mean? Seo is no where near the literary sophistication of that author and I am only comparing him to what I consider one of her lesser novels. For the die hards, how can you get ahold of the raw scans? Regards, HF |
2010-01-12, 21:59 | Link #1975 |
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lol, Seo, do you really know what you are doing ?? you had better give us good explanation later on as the story unfolds...
About the letter...hmm..now wonder, what was the real purpose of Eba going to Haruto's place?? Was it really a family problem or...she confessed and got rejected by "that" person?? and, somehow I really hope it's not something like Eba got a deadly disease and created some cliche excuse to let Haruto live happily...please, god, nooooooooooooo!!
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2010-01-13, 03:24 | Link #1977 |
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To me Haruto really should stay away from nanami, she rejected him twice and is very fiddly with her feelings and thoughts about Haruto. After she saw that Haruto got a relationship with Eba she suddenly was interested again. Although you could say she never lost interest except she didnt want to compete with Eba.
although I haven't read chapter 75 yet, I did read the spoilers and have to agree with some of you. Haruto has to get back to Tokyo and see what is going on! I just cant believe Eba would do this willingly so there has to be an external force that made her write that letter. From the start I was suspecting something weird with that brother of her, I'm not sure if Seo has done anything like abuse in one his stories before (I only read Suzuka) but to me it feels to gravitate towards that. Eba is indeed still mysterious, although she seems like an airhead and ditzy most of the times, she is, like Rin said, very calculative as well. I wonder is we will get some more of that Chef chick where Haruto was working parttime, she seemed cute enough, although quite the tsundere and perhaps Haruto has to work extra to get to Tokyo Cant wait for the story to continue! |
2010-01-13, 09:26 | Link #1978 |
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Are the translations accurate? The letter says "dumped me" and not "rejected me", so it is possible that Eba went out with this guy and then he dumped her, and not rejected her confession or something.
But...hearing Haruto say the letter wasn't written by Eba was kind of a relief. I shall believe (I lol'd when he said "again").
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