2010-06-25, 22:16 | Link #11661 |
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I suppose you'll just say he's hiding again, but I'm a glutton for punishment.
Of those who remain, only Krauss, Natsuhi, and Genji were in the second floor corridor, while all others were in the dining hall. At 24:00, only Erika, George, Jessica, Maria, Nanjo, Gohda, and Kumasawa existed outside the mansion Oh and you can't solve the knocking sound with an unobserved person either. In short, this means it was impossible for any character within the mansion to be the source of a knocking SOUND. ......And 'any character' refers even to unobserved people that no one has noticed.
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2010-06-25, 22:19 | Link #11662 | |
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2010-06-25, 22:22 | Link #11663 | |
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2010-06-25, 22:26 | Link #11664 | |
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EDIT: Of course, the same applies to the letter itself, it doesn't have to be in the hallway. Rudolf lies about hearing the knock and finding the letter in the hallway when it is in fact found on the floor, to prevent a very nasty argument about who put it there. What makes me wonder, though, is why exactly does this scene mention a tape recorder at all? There is no narrative need for it, and the record is never brought up again.
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2010-06-25, 22:26 | Link #11665 |
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Aw I wanted to play ;-; Darn...
I'll counter with my insanity! The time 24:00 technically doesn't exist. Clocks in 24 hour time actually go from 23:59 to 00:00, NOT 24:00. Thus, the observation of people outside of the mansion is faulty. This allows Kinzotrice to exist on a technicality not inside the mansion. i.e. Kinzo exists outside the mansion at 00:00 I still need to figure out a way to get the letter in the house... I agree with Oliver, there is no need to prove a knocking sound because Rudolf (or the person who brought up the knock. Pretty sure it was Rudolf) is in cahoots with Kinzotriche. |
2010-06-25, 22:26 | Link #11666 |
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What good does this theory do anyway? Sure it illustrates how ridiculous the person X theory can get, but this person doesn't even get a chance to murder anyone. Assuming your using Kinzo's body Kinzotrice is being burned alive in the middle of the game.
So I call Knox's 8th on who would be capable of doing that. Erika suggested it
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2010-06-25, 22:27 | Link #11667 |
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Knox's 8th outright disproves Kinzotrice, but I don't think it can do a damn thing about the Pony Theory.
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2010-06-25, 22:30 | Link #11668 |
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The ring was in the letter though right? Everyone recognized the headship ring came from the letter. Unless you can also say that everyone in the room is pretending that Battler is the head of the family since everyone who didn't accept it was outside of the room...
Wait, is that true? The headship ring is a symbol of the headship and it does not truly exist. That is why the headship ring only shows up in episodes where a new head is found through the epitaph. The wax seal created by the headship ring is also faulty, they are just normal wax seals. However because everyone accepts that the letter came from the head, they use the symbol of the ring to express that idea. Thus, there is room for all 3 things: The letter, the knock sound, and the headship to have ALL been a lie perpetrated by the people in the room. My hint is that the objectors to Battler becoming the head (Krauss, Natsuhi, and Jessica) were not present to hear the sound, see the letter, or accept the ring. |
2010-06-25, 22:33 | Link #11669 | |
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Which means that he could have simply been given the ring, much like 1998's Eva probably was. |
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2010-06-25, 22:37 | Link #11670 |
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I meant something different.
The mention of a "tape set" which has recording capability existing in the dining hall is almost completely out of the blue. It apparently existed in there for years, as the principal user is said to have been Kinzo, but it was never detailed or mentioned in episodes 1-4. (in fact, the word 'tape' only occurs three times in all of Ep1-4, only once it means a cassette tape, and it uses that as an epithet too) After the scene where it is mentioned in Ep5, where the conversation that occurs after Natsuhi and Krauss leave the dining hall would probably end up being recorded, if Rudolf did find a blank tape -- the conversation that would have to include either the knock or the lie about one! -- the tape set is never referred to again. So what's the point of writing about one at all, space filler?
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2010-06-25, 22:51 | Link #11672 |
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As a side note, it makes the perfect vehicle for Kinzo detailing his wishes in Ep4 from beyond the grave -- which also happens in the dinner hall. Better than a written will in 1986, for his children if not for the law, because convincingly forging a sound at the time is far harder, and even now only halfway practical ways to synthesise arbitrary phrases in someone's voice exist, none of them are easy, all take good ears, a lot of man-hours, and rarely work well.
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2010-06-25, 22:55 | Link #11673 | |
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It might also be possible to use recordings to explain the phone calls in episode 4 and 5 as crank calls.
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2010-06-25, 23:06 | Link #11674 | ||
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All of those who met at the family conference recognized the existence of Kinzo, anyone? Quote:
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2010-06-25, 23:18 | Link #11675 |
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As I have explained before, 'to recognize existence' means 'to agree to say that one is alive', which is what Beatrice does for Sakutarou in that same episode in a similar manner. There can be any number of reasons to agree that Kinzo is alive, and being fooled by an audio tape monologue which shouts 'SHUT UP!' every few minutes works too.
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2010-06-25, 23:38 | Link #11676 | |
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There are worse things that could happen. We could have poison Bon bon candies like in Naoki Urasawa's Monster.
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Not in a general sense, surely, but with some specific people in specific circumstances it even happens accidentally sometimes - particularly with the people who don't really care what you're saying.
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