2010-06-14, 01:50 | Link #11021 |
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Probably this guy.
Probably a person involved with the Beatrice conspiracy. At this point, I'm inclined to suspect Shannon, but it could definitely be an outside group. Someone who doesn't mind everyone on the island dying... |
2010-06-14, 01:51 | Link #11022 |
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I'm having trouble suspecting anyone as well, except for maybe Kinzo. I don't actually believe Kinzo is as bad as everyone says he is...
but if he IS... then maybe he's the only one willing to kill his whole family, house, island and everything else. Does the culprit for the 10th Twilight have to obey Knox rules though, along with all the other culprits (if they are indeed separate)? And therefore has to be someone who was introduced early in the story? EDIT: Ohhh wait... can we also suspect Krauss? Who arguably has done an investigation on the island, and probably has discovered enough explosive to do the damage that we have seen? One plausible reason is that if he's going to be ruined then he'll make damned sure everyone and everything else goes with him. It's not the first time we've seen murder-suicides on financial ruin... the question is, is this plausible for Krauss. I'm assuming that he does have the ability to disarm it and was counting on that. We have never seen Krauss survive though, so maybe he and certain other people are guaranteed to never survive to the end. Last edited by Kylon99; 2010-06-14 at 02:02. |
2010-06-14, 02:01 | Link #11023 | |
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Doesn't say anything about culprits that were first introduced in the second, third, or fourth games.
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2010-06-14, 02:25 | Link #11024 | |
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As for the how Krauss got the explosives you can thank Oliver. He has an awesome explanation for that. Keep in mind though that this method could just as easily be an accident as it could be deliberate.
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2010-06-14, 08:05 | Link #11025 |
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It saddens me how everyone gives practically for granted that the "unfortunate incident" was caused by bombs, even so I believe there are tons of elements to understand that this isn't a likely scenario.
But this kind of general agreement leaves me too discouraged to start a debate, just don't say I haven't warned you. Your understanding of the proportion of the disaster is also very far from the kind of destructive force that I think, at this point, is reasonable to assume. This is what I believe should be expected: Spoiler for Rokkenjima before and after the incident :
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2010-06-14, 08:23 | Link #11026 | |
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And I know I'm going to be shoot to death by BxB fans... but I actually believe that Beatrice = Asumu. .... *runs away* |
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2010-06-14, 08:26 | Link #11027 |
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I think "bomb" is convenient shorthand for "whatever causes a substantial environmental and anti-personnel disaster." We don't actually know what the causative event is, except that it is highly lethal and has a large, but not island-encompassing danger radius.
Calling it a "bomb" somewhat attributes to it a human cause. And I think most people expect, or at least are hoping, that the cause is a human agent. It would seem kind of silly if it were an accident or natural disaster. So even if it's a volcano or landslide or swamp gas or something, some person on the island or off it was acting on that to exploit it and ensure it did whatever it was it did.
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2010-06-14, 08:31 | Link #11028 | |
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I think that if it was a bomb or something, there has to be proves. And, of course, before Ep5, because Battler supposedly "reached the truth" at EP5, and Ryuukishi says it's more than possible to solve it up to EP5. That is what I believe. (Yeah, I'm mystery xD) |
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2010-06-14, 08:32 | Link #11029 | |
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2010-06-14, 09:10 | Link #11030 | |
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However, there's one interesting thing about Krauss and his investigation of the island that has yet to be addressed. Let us assume that the guesthouse is to be a hotel. But it only contains about 10 rooms. For a resort hotel, that's very small. Average room counts in hotels differ depending on their intended markets, but they start at about 70. Even if one is aiming for a 'quiet little hotel in picturesque wilderness', 40-50 would still be a more reasonable number, because it's simply not sufficiently profitable to bother otherwise. Construction on an undeveloped island is a lot more expensive than it is on the mainland, or on a more developed island, because you have to pay for marine shipment of labour and materials, energy to run the construction, and various expenses associated with delays when anything of this is arriving late because of weather. It is not very reasonable to assume that Krauss planned to build five of those modular guesthouse blocks -- it would be far more expensive than just building a single 50-room one. Building a 10-room guesthouse when a 5-room would suffice for the foreseeable future is obviously odd, but building a 10-room resort hotel is no less odd. So what did he really plan to do with the island?
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2010-06-14, 12:35 | Link #11032 | |
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I think almost everyone here has concluded it was some kind of explosion triggering a massive geological event, most likely a landslide. Actually, that picture that you got, was that from the anime? Because that's a rather large, large blast radius. So maybe something activated a volcano... but anyways, I think we've been down this path already. I'm mostly interested in searching for the culprit of the 10th Twilight (which seems to be Krauss) and then his motive. What it seems like to me now is that maybe there's absolutely no way for Krauss to survive any game. Like the opposite to Battler; there's just too many people out for his head. If someone like him never survives then it makes sense that the final incident can never be disarmed, only avoided. |
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2010-06-14, 12:47 | Link #11033 | |
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Yeah, the Bomb Theory is just a convenient title to combine the Boiler Explosion Theory, the Volcanic Gas Explosion Theory, the Generic Unexplained Explosion Theory and the Orbital Particle Beam Shot Theory into one idea: that Rokkenjima has an explosion on it sometime around midnight.
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Underground Explosion Theory, anyone? And I mean deep underground. Not just the boiler in the basement deep. Probably thirty to fourty metres underground deep. |
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2010-06-14, 13:37 | Link #11034 | |
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My main problem with a landslide or an underground explosion is that it makes finding Maria's jaw less likely, and that seems to be important evidence. (with a landslide it'd be like looking for a needle in a hay stack) I guess it's not impossible, but I'd have doubts if the entire mansion area was underwater.
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Where does this theory come from if you don't mind me asking?
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2010-06-14, 14:08 | Link #11036 | |
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2010-06-14, 14:09 | Link #11037 | |
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DGBarca: Lol XD I can't say more than that, it's just so LOL XD |
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2010-06-14, 18:48 | Link #11040 | |
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No kind of human or dead person on the island could have killed Kanon This statment can really be taken two ways. 1. Kanon never died, and 2. Kanon was never alive in the first place, therefore making it impossible for any thing to kill him, ever. Because if he was never alive in the first place, it is impossible to kill him, since he is already 'dead.' |
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