2014-07-19, 00:01 | Link #1 |
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Criticism of when women do the voices of 13+ boys in anime
I know there's the issue of male seiyuu sounding too forced when playing a 13+ male character or the issue of child labor laws that they can't get a real male teen to play a teen male. However, this is not about that.
I feel that no 13+ guy should have a woman's voice except when he gets turned into a girl, is very effeminate/androgynous, or regularly cross dresses. There are some exceptions I'll take outside of these but I don't know when yet. What I've seen of the Japanese version of Mirai Nikki, Yukii was especially guilty of thi and it's seem especially out of place to me when it's a harem/fan service heavy show Sasha in Seikon no Qwaser might sound more masculine but I still think it's miscast and not as convincing as the Japanese Naruto. Heck, I find the Japanese Naruto the most convincing voice of a 13+ female-voiced male. I know that adult Goku has a kid mentality but I don't think that justifies that he still has a woman's voice (even if the creator picked the seiyuu) because you could still carry the personality that Goku has sans the female voice. Whiny teens like Armin and Shinji can still convey the same personality using male voices. That being said, what 13+ guy do you do think it was a miscast for the Japanese to have a female voice for him? Just as there threads praising a Japanese VA doing a role, this is 1 of those threads that does the opposite.
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2014-07-20, 00:58 | Link #2 |
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I'm not sure about the male side, but Satomi Arai gave the teenage Kuroko Shirai of Railgun an old lady's voice. Or maybe just her natural voice. Whatever it was, it worked; worked at making Japanese Kuroko damn near insufferable. Thank goodness the English dub rectified that.
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2014-07-20, 01:33 | Link #3 |
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I honestly don't really see why this is even a topic, some auditions just turn out that the best turnout happened to be a female. No matter the method of reaching their decision, the opinion is entirely subjective if it's "lame" or not, so that's what I think.
What I mean to say is that there could be a thread like this for any casting, and it would be equally subjective 'round the table.
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That said, I agree with Kadmos about adult Goku’s voice. Many supporters of Masako Nozawa made excuses that since Goku is an alien and has the mentality of a child, the “grandma” voice fits him just fine. Well, I don’t think so. You can still express innocence with a male voice, and the alien excuse has nothing to do with it as we witnessed how Raditz, Nappa, and Vegeta (dudes from the same race as Goku) have “proper” adult male voices. Using Nozawa to force her grandma voice to sound like adult male (and it shows) is a bad move imo. Yes, Toriyama pointed Nozawa as Goku’s voice himself, but it was for the child-Goku. When the time came for the story to reach adult-Goku’s phase, I get the impression that Toriyama was just “going with the flow” with the studios decisions and stayed with Nozawa. He seemed not as enthusiastic with choosing adult-Goku’s VA like he was when picking child-Goku’s VA. I know, maybe that's just me. I, however, have no problem with female-voicing-male in general. For example, Himura Kenshin’s voice being effeminate is pretty cool as I have learnt that some Japanese males from the feudal & bakumatsu era do have that kind of voices. And the most important thing of all, the VA did a great job and her voice fits with the rather-effeminate Kenshin character really well. As for Shinji and Armin. Eh, I guess I'm neutral about them. I don't hate them, but I'm not crazy about them either.
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2014-07-20, 04:29 | Link #5 | |
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To actually answer the original post, I don't believe I've seen a young boy portrayed poorly by a female seiyuu. If there were any, I'd see it as a general miscast instead of it being poorly cast due to gender.
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2014-07-20, 07:21 | Link #8 |
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The standout bad example of this would be Noto Mamiko's Kouta from Kanokon, such a miscast, she doesn't have the voice to pull off a male character. I think she did one other male character in...
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2014-07-20, 07:22 | Link #9 |
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Ideally, characters are voiced by people that have the same "adult or minor?" and "male or female?" answers that the character himself/herself would have.
But it's not always possible to get what's ideal here. And I'm not sure if adult males would be preferable to adult females when voicing male kids. I'm inclined to think that the problem would just go to the opposite end, and possibly to a more severe degree - The voice would likely sound overly deep, mature, and/or gruff.
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2014-07-20, 09:09 | Link #11 |
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Counter example: Both Elric brothers in Fullmetal Alchemist were voiced by women, and both were performed extremely well.
Having women play boys has been a standard practice for a very long time. In american cartoons, the practice is standard (think Bart Simpson, or Timmy Turner of Fairly Odd Parents). Likewise It's also fairly standard for Theatre or Opera. Most adult men are bass or baritone, and and their voices just don't fit pre-pubescent boys. Women, on the other hand, with minimal work can often easily imitate a boy, and lend a character that sense of youthful innocence. Would it not be extremely nonsensical to have a voice actor like Norio Wakamoto voice Shinji Ikari? That said, the best VAs for these roles are those that specialise in them, regardless of their sex. |
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Can't say that I ever had a problem with a guy (or a young boy) to be voiced by a women. I mean a plenty of my favorite characters are voiced by females and, for example, who's gonna say that Mayumi Tanaka's voice does not fit Luffy? Although I find it kinda funny that she voiced more male characters than female ones.
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2014-07-20, 11:32 | Link #16 |
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And that’s what I don’t understand about anime studios that do this kind of practice because it actually doing a disservice to the character imo. I mean, imagine if you apply that to The Lion King. What would you feel if Disney forced the VA of the cub-Simba to voice the adult-Simba? The VA might be delighted because he/she would get more job & cash and some of the audience probably wouldn't mind either, but that’s still not the best thing to do (and thank god Disney didn’t do it).
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2014-07-20, 11:46 | Link #18 | |
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This is basically why I did remove the latter-part of the thread title. It's all just a matter of opinion. A lot of the shows where they do what the OP is discussing, they're trying to set a certain tone for the character (typically to match the source material if it exists), and if it so happens the actor that best matches the tone is a woman, then great. It's not as if just changing to a male actor is going to change the tone of the performance the work and director call for, and it's certainly not as though the actor can choose to deviate the performance contrary to the direction they're given. Saying they're "lame at it" makes no sense in the first place, because they're acting in the way the voice director indicates.
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2014-07-20, 12:11 | Link #19 |
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LMAO. I'm sure the way someone dresses totally changes their pitch. All them girls dressing in shirts and pants sure have Brad Pitt's voice.
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I think she's supposed to sound like a teenager trying to pretend that she is a sophisticated lady and just coming off as annoying and childish. Boys who are still early in puberty (like Shinji at 14) can be voiced by a woman just fine, but after a boy's voice breaks you naturally want a male voice. I guess a very few female voice actresses can actually pull off a male voice, but why not use a male voice actor? It's not like most teenage boys aren't voiced by male actors much older than the characters. Of course, it's used as a way to show that a character is still immature no matter his age, so I ignore it easily enough.
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