Right, I've been bogged down with work the last couple days, sorry for the delay.
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Originally Posted by grey_moon
Ignoring Shin's good boy status there me thinks. Sure mistakes can be amended, but Aiko made a choice and that choice was hugely non-beneficial to her ultimate goal of wanting to go out with Shin. Can't you even see the current signs? Her current BF is only sticking with her because either he loves her lots and is very understanding, or is a sap with no self respect (sure plenty of others too). One of her best friends freaked on her and now is avoiding her, who happens to be the guy she likes. The guy she likes is still going out with another girl and still liking another girl. So her:
First move to not confess her feelings to Shin: I see no benefit
Second move to accept Nobu's feelings: Negative due to Shin being a good boy, as Nobu is his best friend.
Third move: Finally confess to him when he quite happily tells her that he has met someone else (ie he is trying to move on from Hiromi) and grabbing a snog: She got told exactly where she stands (ie no where) and the guy and her best friend does a runner.
A mistake? Probably in the eye of the beholder, but I can't see much romanic yummy goodness there unless the writers are aiming for another over coming the odds thing again.
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I don't believe I was ignoring Shin's good boy status. I said:
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Originally Posted by Var
In the end, though, it is about who made the most mistakes since mistakes tend to alienate the people around you.
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I can easily see that Aiko's made too many mistakes to be in the running but at the same time I can say its possible that things can be amended due to the simple lack of time/development beyond three scenes. One scene is a reactionary scene, one scene is a reminiscient scene, and one is a scene of avoidance. The first and final are against Ai, the middle is vague and can go either way.
As for your moves:
First Move: Double edged sword. What if she confesses and Shin get's even more distressed than he already was? Do you go with your feelings for someone or do you go with whats best for the one you love? That's the problem here. Do we even have any indication that she was ever given an oppurtunity to confess? I won't so easily dismiss this as a mistake.
Second Move: Agreed a mistake, though I'd prefer to call it a series of misfortunous events.
Third Move: Quite happily tells her? Really? "I'm going out with Noe now, I don't really know how it happened but... Oh and I was standing outside in the snow because I was really happy inside." (Yes the latter was not actually said) Don't put a super positive spin on things, especially in a show called
True Tears. This move is alot like move one, can you really call it a mistake? Or would not have doing anything been a mistake?
We can't just dismiss things as mistakes because they unfolded wrong, not doing anything (when the scenario has changed) would have been just as bad for her goal.
Another underdog winning? When was the last one? Two years ago? We've had how many drama shows since then? You make it sound like it happens every day... What would be the point of saying underdog then?
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Originally Posted by grey_moon
Right lets get this out of the way first. I need to read Shin's mind to say that he thinks that he considers Ai is like his sister when it came out of his mouth, but you can make a statement like that from:
Shin saying her lips were soft : I read as his first kiss
Shin blushing: You do know that blushing != a nose bleed don't you? People blush when blood rushes to their face, that can happen when people are nervous, angry, excited as well as turned on.
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Oy, you misunderstood. You're saying things like they've been forever carved into stone based on scenes of reaction. Since when do instant reactions to a strange situation count as thought out feelings or analysis of the situation?
Yes, his first kiss. Usually nose bleed goes more with turned on than a blush, so what is your exact point? A blush is usually used as a more innocent feeling, especially in these kinds of shows.
Oh and about coming from his mouth. Following your logic, he also said he'd forget about it, but since he didn't I guess that makes Shin a liar. I, however, won't make that jump simply due to the fact that it is a reaction to the strange situation. If he said it, say a day or two later, I'd be more inclined to believe him.
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You can make up any scenario you like. Mine is an obvious what could of happened. Yours is what you are claiming did happen. And here I thought someone was going to thwap me for my characterisation of Nobu  |
Really its obvious of what could have happened? Again, you don't know what's going through the characters heads, so don't use the word obvious. My version is based on what has been built up on through the show, and it did happen, I mean we saw it happen.
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Not particularly. That was a my personal judgement on her based on your description of her actions. I used Noe coz you judge her to be so childish and I'm saying actually Ai is childish. You can insert any childish person you like instead of Noe. Read the bit before the word Noe and try to realise where I was coming from. I was attacking your favourite character not comparing her.
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Jun is my favorite character. Moving on. Ai is childish? I'd say Ai is too considerate and self sacrificing/stupid. I don't see her as childish at all, which is why I said your comparison is silly. Now, had you given me some more... info... on your view that Ai is childish then sure, its a fair comparison. Just saying she's childish doesn't really cut it, give me some sort of info based on the show.
Ai too considerate/self-sacrificing/stupid:
- She keeps her feelings bottled up since Shin is 'taken'
- We see that she has a hard time breaking up with Nobuse, even though she is unhappy but Nobuse is.
- She helps Shin in ways that are not favorable to her.
- She accepts to date the desperate(ly in love) Nobuse. (stupid)
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You go one about chronological order, but you sure don't use it yourself.
Right now Shin has been shown happy when he went out with Noe. Not just that he is walking around with a roaster hair style and a gormless smile on hs face. Noe is experiencing emotions she never had in a good way and appears to be happy too. Right now Noe's romantic relationship with Shin is not messy its nice and fluffy. Ai doesn't have a romantic relationship with Shin at all, hell she might not even have one with Nobu at the end of it. Hiromi doesn't a romantic relationship with Shin, she actually is going out with Jun and she most defiantly isn't happy. Compare away if you must, but I was just analysing each girls romantic situation in regards to Shin.
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Yes, he was shown happy for ten minutes, which was subsequently wrecked by a certain Hiromi driving by. So... I see nothing wrong with my point of saying that he's preoccupied with with someone else as well.
Key word is appears. It would appear to me that while she is happy, Shin is still preoccupied. Everything about Noe and Shin's relationship is on surface value, thye enjoy each others company. Great. Though, unlike Hiromi and Shin, we are shown little of whos on whos mind. At the end of eight its quite noticeable that Hiromi and Shin are on each othersmind quite a bit.
As for Ai? She had no such thing to begin with, she was trying to make one. Will it happen? Who knows, looks unlikely, but the development in that regard is still to little.
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