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Brother Coa · 2016-03-18, 16:33

Well giving that she is far inside Empire capital and they paradrop at the prison and western gate only it was kind of obvious they will not rescue her.
I mean, there was an option to save her but that would require literally to take over entire capital city. And it seems that the brass is not yet ready to do it.
But if they did then Itami would not have the option to save her himself.

Cloudedmind · 2016-03-18, 16:41

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Originally Posted by PSY.Gangnam

Wow. They sure went overboard with Pina screaming there. In the first place, what exactly cause her to be in that state?

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Originally Posted by GDB

Normally I'd say isolation and cabin fever make people go crazy. However, she hasn't been in there THAT long, has she? Unless they're just bad at showing time elapsing.

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Originally Posted by FlareKnight

In a way it's almost comical watching the military precision of this mission. Of course the way they are trained is the way they are trained, but it's almost silly to the level they are taking their own attack seriously. Fighting an enemy a few thousand years behind them in tech. Long as they have more bullets than enemies it's a cake walk. But I suppose if you're going to do something, might as well go all out. Not often they get to go out and fight anyways and have it be against such a weak opponent.

Not even sure what Itami is worried about. Basically the only way for someone on the Japanese side to die is if they accidentally shoot themselves. I mean all that carnage and at most one person got hit in the arm with an arrow....

Things have gotten kind of sad with Pina. Full tilt into damsel in distress mode, she's just falling apart and all they've done is locked her up. She hasn't even had particularly harsh treatment as a prisoner. Oh well Itami will save her next episode so that will b resolved soon enough. It's just a bit silly how completely she's fallen apart with little prodding. Being locked up can be pretty darn intense to be sure, but....that's all that's happened to her. I'm just going to presume she was treated far worse in the novels and they just decided to keep scenes of her freaking out for the sake of drama.

An interesting article on solitary confinement. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/ar...-to-your-mind/

It really doesn't take weeks of being left alone for someone to start losing their mind. Pina's life as a mostly pampered princess probably makes it even worse for her.

francescoG1 · 2016-03-18, 16:42

aohige in the summaries wrote this:

"As the Chinook flies over the imperial palace, Bozes spots Pina on the roof looking sadly at the helicopter. She pleads them to rescue her, but they have no fuel for another landing, nor can they risk it. As the heli flies away Bozes collapse in tears. "

Yes she isn't locked in a cell........

Dysprosium · 2016-03-18, 16:52

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Originally Posted by Cloudedmind

An interesting article on solitary confinement. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/ar...-to-your-mind/

It really doesn't take weeks of being left alone for someone to start losing their mind. Pina's life as a mostly pampered princess probably makes it even worse for her.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think only a day or 2 has passed since her confinement.

Anh_Minh · 2016-03-18, 16:56

She was breaking when they brought her in in the first place...

HandofFate · 2016-03-18, 17:46

More JSDF kicking ass as expected.
Liked the bit with purple haired knight being princess carried.
I know blonde and pina have some history but the anime hasn't really fleshed it out that much, so its kind of thin on why she's so desperate to save Pina.

And agreed with Pina breaking down in like under a day. And especially one that isn't as pampered as the Prince, she's only a 3rd(?) princess or something? And she actually fought in battles and earned respect on her own. And she she breaks down from a bit of a time-out.

thundrakkon · 2016-03-18, 17:58

Although the forces that came withdrew at the end after the retrieval, I'm pretty sure that some forces remained behind, especially those who made the red light district their base.

Itami was racing to the capital, hoping to make it in time, but he completely missed the battle. I didn't even realize he was that far away, since it looked like it took him almost 24 hours to drive to the capital. If it took him that long, there is no way the messengers could have been relaying information to Grey in Rondel at any timely fashion that they were receiving information. Well, at the very least, he could ask his squad for help, if needed, to rescue Pina.

Of course, if we hypothetically compared Pina and Sherry in the same situation as Pina in the prison right now, I wonder how Sherry would act? On the one hand, she did let out quite a scream at the embassy, and we felt total pain and compassion for her. However, with Pina's cries of pain, people think she is going overboard? Maybe it is the seiyuu.

And still... where is Delilah in all of this?

Top Sergeant · 2016-03-18, 18:35

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Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

I know they had to leave something for Itami to do, but I find it rather silly no one considered rescuing Pina. Before launching the mission, I mean.

Hmm. Was the JSDF General aware Pina had been tossed in the dungeon?

YF19EX · 2016-03-18, 19:41

I don't think the general knew. Only last ep was Itami made aware of the Princess's predicament. Her knights at the Jade Palace knew as well, but it was never communicated to the JSDF until this episode.

~Yami~ · 2016-03-18, 19:56

well.... totally steamrolled...

Please Itami.. Hurry up and save our princess.. She is in the verge of despair and breaking down right now
I feel disappointed that it's not Tomita that saved Bozes but at least that tomboy knight had her own rosy and girly moment

Tyuule is lovely as villain.. I really like the way she choked Zorzal and pushed him into the corner

blakstealth · 2016-03-18, 20:58

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Originally Posted by ~Yami~

well.... totally steamrolled...

Please Itami.. Hurry up and save our princess.. She is in the verge of despair and breaking down right now
I feel disappointed that it's not Tomita that saved Bozes but at least that tomboy knight had her own rosy and girly moment

Tyuule is lovely as villain.. I really like the way she choked Zorzal and pushed him into the corner

God, I love Beefeater now. Her name is so beefy.

VTHokiePride · 2016-03-18, 21:24

JSDF's mission was way too easy. It's like a training mission for new recruits. No real problems. An arrow in the arm being the worst damage. The question is will Itami's team be the only ones going into the palace to save Pina, or will the surviving knights return to save her.

germanturkey · 2016-03-18, 22:19

its gotta be itami and his harem. they go in and using their combined powers, save pina.

Router25 · 2016-03-18, 23:30

Inb4 2-part Pina rescue with open season ender

quigonkenny · 2016-03-18, 23:34

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Originally Posted by FlareKnight

In a way it's almost comical watching the military precision of this mission. Of course the way they are trained is the way they are trained, but it's almost silly to the level they are taking their own attack seriously. Fighting an enemy a few thousand years behind them in tech. Long as they have more bullets than enemies it's a cake walk. But I suppose if you're going to do something, might as well go all out. Not often they get to go out and fight anyways and have it be against such a weak opponent.

That's exactly how it's supposed to be. Rote training is so that a) the soldiers don't have to spend time thinking what to do and just act, which b) seemingly ironically has a calming effect, and c) allows the superiors to know what their soldiers are going to be doing in a situation so that when they see the results of those actions, they can better change ineffective tactics and ramp up the more successful ones.

Yan3242 · 2016-03-18, 23:48

The term "hero always come late and yet still grab the best princess" hold true for itami i guess, no one mess with his harem

The scene just straight out like in jrpg cutscene, you have this army plowing through everything except the main boss palace.

I can imagine itami just ram through the castle gate with his armor car

(no good with military stuff, can actual armor car do that?)

There better be a lot of explosions next episode, after last episode of konosuba iam itching for more explosions that make michael bay proud

thundrakkon · 2016-03-18, 23:59

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Originally Posted by Yan3242

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If anything, I'm hoping Lelei will show Zorzal why she is considered the hero of the empire right now, and that he really shouldn't have messed with her in the first place. She does seem to specialize in explosion magic, and considering how happy she was with that Unlimited Blades Works attack, I can see that she might be enjoying some payback of her own.

Besides, Rory can pretty much single-handedly rescue Pina on her own if she wanted.

quigonkenny · 2016-03-19, 00:24

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Originally Posted by Yan3242

I can imagine itami just ram through the castle gate with his armor car

(no good with military stuff, can actual armor car do that?)

No. First off, Itami's vehicle isn't designed for that kind of thing. No flat-fronted military vehicle is really designed to run down much more than the occasional enemy soldier. Second, given the size of the capital, and the wealth and warlike nature of the Empire, I imagine that the castle, including the gate, is designed to withstand the heaviest of siege weaponry. The castle gate is probably thick enough (two or three feet, and iron reinforced) that even if Itami were in a tank, he'd want to soften it up first with an artillery shell or two before trying to ram through it or knock it down. Wood is a surprisingly resilient substance. There's a reason why in all the GTA-type games that you can knock over or drive through most anything that isn't a building, but a tree or a telephone pole stops you cold. #truthingaming

Wandering Soul · 2016-03-19, 00:33

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Originally Posted by Cloudedmind

An interesting article on solitary confinement. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/ar...-to-your-mind/

It really doesn't take weeks of being left alone for someone to start losing their mind. Pina's life as a mostly pampered princess probably makes it even worse for her.

Problem is that it seems like it has barely been a day since she was imprisoned. Her pampered upbringing may have made her vulnerable to kind of thing, but it still seems like they went overboard with her screams.

YF19EX · 2016-03-19, 00:51

Well its actually be a few days has it not? They put her in around the 4 days or so since the battle for the Jade Palace. So she has probably been in captivity for around that long. But at the same time, yea, her screams were indicative of something worse than just being locked up for a few days.

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HandofFate Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006	More JSDF kicking ass as expected. Liked the bit with purple haired knight being princess carried. I know blonde and pina have some history but the anime hasn't really fleshed it out that much, so its kind of thin on why she's so desperate to save Pina. And agreed with Pina breaking down in like under a day. And especially one that isn't as pampered as the Prince, she's only a 3rd(?) princess or something? And she actually fought in battles and earned respect on her own. And she she breaks down from a bit of a time-out. __________________ ...

2016-03-18, 17:58	Link #27
thundrakkon Anime-Only Viewer Graphic Designer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: USA	Although the forces that came withdrew at the end after the retrieval, I'm pretty sure that some forces remained behind, especially those who made the red light district their base. Itami was racing to the capital, hoping to make it in time, but he completely missed the battle. I didn't even realize he was that far away, since it looked like it took him almost 24 hours to drive to the capital. If it took him that long, there is no way the messengers could have been relaying information to Grey in Rondel at any timely fashion that they were receiving information. Well, at the very least, he could ask his squad for help, if needed, to rescue Pina. Of course, if we hypothetically compared Pina and Sherry in the same situation as Pina in the prison right now, I wonder how Sherry would act? On the one hand, she did let out quite a scream at the embassy, and we felt total pain and compassion for her. However, with Pina's cries of pain, people think she is going overboard? Maybe it is the seiyuu. And still... where is Delilah in all of this? __________________

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VTHokiePride Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Washington DC Age: 29	JSDF's mission was way too easy. It's like a training mission for new recruits. No real problems. An arrow in the arm being the worst damage. The question is will Itami's team be the only ones going into the palace to save Pina, or will the surviving knights return to save her. __________________

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germanturkey Udon-YAAAAAAAA Join Date: Jan 2008 Age: 35	its gotta be itami and his harem. they go in and using their combined powers, save pina. __________________ Aria is the best series EVER. Rewatch Origination with me. Blessed are those who listen to headphones, for they listen to the sound of heaven.

2016-03-18, 16:33	Link #21
Brother Coa Banned Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Holy Terra	Well giving that she is far inside Empire capital and they paradrop at the prison and western gate only it was kind of obvious they will not rescue her. I mean, there was an option to save her but that would require literally to take over entire capital city. And it seems that the brass is not yet ready to do it. But if they did then Itami would not have the option to save her himself.

2016-03-18, 16:42	Link #23
francescoG1 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012	aohige in the summaries wrote this: "As the Chinook flies over the imperial palace, Bozes spots Pina on the roof looking sadly at the helicopter. She pleads them to rescue her, but they have no fuel for another landing, nor can they risk it. As the heli flies away Bozes collapse in tears. " Yes she isn't locked in a cell........

2016-03-18, 16:56	Link #25
Anh_Minh I disagree with you all. Join Date: Dec 2005	She was breaking when they brought her in in the first place...

2016-03-18, 19:41	Link #29
YF19EX Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Bad Chicken! Mess You Up!	I don't think the general knew. Only last ep was Itami made aware of the Princess's predicament. Her knights at the Jade Palace knew as well, but it was never communicated to the JSDF until this episode.

2016-03-18, 19:56	Link #30
~Yami~ a random Indonesian otaku Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Xanadu Age: 32	well.... totally steamrolled... Please Itami.. Hurry up and save our princess.. She is in the verge of despair and breaking down right now I feel disappointed that it's not Tomita that saved Bozes but at least that tomboy knight had her own rosy and girly moment Tyuule is lovely as villain.. I really like the way she choked Zorzal and pushed him into the corner

2016-03-18, 23:30	Link #34
Router25 World Connector. I think Join Date: Oct 2015 Age: 28	Inb4 2-part Pina rescue with open season ender __________________ Now, how did I end up here?

2016-03-18, 23:48	Link #36
Yan3242 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2014	The term "hero always come late and yet still grab the best princess" hold true for itami i guess, no one mess with his harem The scene just straight out like in jrpg cutscene, you have this army plowing through everything except the main boss palace. I can imagine itami just ram through the castle gate with his armor car (no good with military stuff, can actual armor car do that?) There better be a lot of explosions next episode, after last episode of konosuba iam itching for more explosions that make michael bay proud

2016-03-18, 23:59	Link #37
thundrakkon Anime-Only Viewer Graphic Designer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: USA	Quote Originally Posted by Yan3242 Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload? If anything, I'm hoping Lelei will show Zorzal why she is considered the hero of the empire right now, and that he really shouldn't have messed with her in the first place. She does seem to specialize in explosion magic, and considering how happy she was with that Unlimited Blades Works attack, I can see that she might be enjoying some payback of her own. Besides, Rory can pretty much single-handedly rescue Pina on her own if she wanted. __________________

2016-03-19, 00:51	Link #40
YF19EX Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Bad Chicken! Mess You Up!	Well its actually be a few days has it not? They put her in around the 4 days or so since the battle for the Jade Palace. So she has probably been in captivity for around that long. But at the same time, yea, her screams were indicative of something worse than just being locked up for a few days.