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Searching for 'rape statistics', all that could be found regarding clothing and rape was that the rapists 'didn't remember the clothing of their victims', and that some victims were either 'too old' or 'too young' to wear provocative clothing. This can hardly be thought of as conclusive proof. Quote:
Studies have indeed shown that rapists get 'turned on' by the feelings of power and control. Please note, however, that most victims of rape are very young, and according to any credible source the majority of them are less than 25 or even 18 years old. This leads to the conclusion that rape is just one form of sex amidst others, and abides by the 'laws of attraction' just like the others. To put things simply, the rapists want to have sex with someone they find attractive and vulnerable, and so they rape because they prefer to 'have sex' while feeling the power and control they have over that someone. There are people who are sexually attracted towards the elderly, and the percentage of such people is likely to be closely correlated with the percentage of elderly rape victims. So yes, that kind of rapists do "find a fat, wrinkly 90-year-old prune to be sexually attractive" (The 'fat' part is irrelevant. A fat person can hardly be 90 years old - they have to be somewhat healthy to live that long). On a related note, people seem to have the misconception that 'rape is torture'. No matter how you look at it, torture is torture, while rape is non-concensual intercourse. The two are not related. Quote:
The prevention of crime exists to prevent harm, not to make the potential of getting harmed go away. In other words, all the factors that lead to a 'crime' are 'at fault'. If the so-called victim is the one who had the conscious choice of making the crime happen or not, with no concequences arising from the 'no crime' -option, then the victim could be said to be '100% at fault', even if there were many other factors that were, in reality, also 'at fault'. In the situation you mentioned, ignoring safety precautions is a factor that shouldn't be ignored - it 'deserves' blame just as much as the crime itself. People have a tendency to focus on the final major 'conscious' (i.ex. a human) factor when it comes to crimes or even accidents, and try to blame them for everything. I.ex. when someone is killed, the murderer is convicted and people put the blame on the murderer. But in reality, the reasons that lead to a murder 'should be blamed', if anything, because a crime never starts from nothing. There are always factors that precede the final one, factors that are much more decicive when it comes to prevention. Here's an example: If you carry food to people who are starving, and refuse to give it to them no matter what you aren't exercising any 'fundamential right' of yours. If you get attacked because of this, the attackers aren't 'at fault'. If there is fault, it can be applied to everything that lead to the situation - you going there with food, the famine itself, and to an extent the attackers; even the existence of the food could be blamed, or the fact that people need nutrition to survive. This is simply irrational. Nothing is achieved. Quote:
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2010-06-16, 10:11 | Link #183 | ||
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Going to drop the rape subject, as it's gone far enough off-topic. The only reason it came up, was due to me trying to show that there are smart actions and there are stupid ones, when it comes to personal security.
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And I admit, as a result of this article, I've moderated my opinion somewhat; it's not all bad, but there are dangerous undertones present. But it's also wide-spread. Then again, I could just stick with my opinion instead of listening to authorities on the subject, heh. That's what most people do... |
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2010-06-16, 16:20 | Link #185 |
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Not bothering to quote, but consensual sex is widely and freely available. Anyone can get ass in this day and age. There's no need to rape someone "just because they were horny." In fact, I don't think I've ever heard of a convicted rapist who raped people just because he/she was horny--rapists typically have a laundry list of psychological issues.
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2010-06-17, 10:31 | Link #186 | |
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So unless you're offering yourself up to any guy who wants, your statement doesn't hold. One thing that can create a rapist, is a guy who *can't* get a woman, despite him trying. Rejection after rejection, being used over and over, and he snaps; it's all their fault, and he's going to use them, like they used him. He's going to force sex with them, so while it's physically about sex, it's also about reasserting power over an "antagonist" so as to not feel powerless, on a deeper level. But this is getting a bit off topic. Rape is not just sex, as there are terms like "Mind rape" or "I raped his wallet" or "that film raped my childhood" etc. Essentially it's a taking of something without consent of one party. Standard sexual rape is about sex on some level, though. |
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2010-06-17, 12:02 | Link #188 |
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If rape was mainly about sex, it should occur considerably less often in countries in which prostitution is legal. If rape was caused by "revealing" clothes, it should occur considerably less often in countries in which women usually don't show any skin.
Sure, there are often other factors at work, but anyone who wants to tell a victim that they could have prevented it should have some solid proof at hand. Considering the vast majority of rapes are planned and that it's rarely strangers who are the preparators, I'd be surprised to see any.
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Someone unable to get sex, instead takes it. Deranged? Someone unable to get food, instead steals it. Deranged? Humans perceive a need, and when they perceive they are unable to procure it through normal socially acceptable means, they resort to socially unacceptable means. Calling them deranged is ignoring the root causes of the problem. Treat the cause, not the symptoms, and you'll fix issues. Otherwise, they'll just continue. This is why I won't turn friends away, no matter what (unless they turn away from me first). Because I can prevent a "criminal" from being created if I help them address their needs and problems, before they get to that point. I sometimes wish more people would, then we wouldn't half the problems we do, but that's a rant for another time, heh. Quote:
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Sometimes I wonder if I'm the last person to support personal responsibility; most of society nowadays would rather sue and blame someone else for anything that happens, and so we end up with a "do not eat this" warning on a hammer, even though that should be common sense... Last edited by Kaijo; 2010-06-17 at 15:04. |
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2010-06-17, 15:17 | Link #190 |
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I have no idea what the hell you guys are babbling about, but I came on the thread with the promise of lolis dancing sexy dances, and found nothing but deleted videos.
Robbed, I tell you. ROBBED!
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Warning for porentially triggering content (discussion of rape).
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If you take food from a person who has plenty, they'll possibly be pissed. If you take food from a person as poor as you, well, not awesome, but at least it was a "you or them" situation. If you take sex someone who is unwilling, that person will most likely be severely traumatized. No, I really don't think the two are comparable. Quote:
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2010-06-17, 16:16 | Link #192 |
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Mayhaps we should make a separate topic for rape and the like, since there are so many misconceptions flying around here, and derailing any discussion about propriety regarding the original video.
Don't even start me on the absurdity of "hurf durf wear certain clothes and you won't get raped durr"... A tshirt & baggy jeans so screams "please rape me and leave me in the woods"... mmhmm.... Bakas...
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2010-06-17, 17:46 | Link #194 | |
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And by "something" I mean 16+1 rounds of 9x19mm JHP locked and loaded. This is the best post in this entire thread.
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The post about how sex is like food and how rapists are pitiable victims of society was bad enough, but now I am being told that I am overly emotional when it's the other party that doesn't have any evidence to back up their claims? Well, at least I agree that trying to have a logical conversation is probably pointless here. Quote:
I mean, just... no.
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2010-06-17, 18:03 | Link #196 |
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Because I never said anything about miniskirts. That's called a strawman, when you bring up something that the other party never even said in an attempt to knock it down. If I were take the same tone as you, then I would say: "Well, apparently Nogitsune feels it's alright for kids to play in traffic, and if they get hit, it's purely the fault of the driver."
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2010-06-17, 18:03 | Link #197 |
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No. This thread needs lockdown. Not on topic.
We've seen how this thing gets more on topic. By getting further off topic. This is ridiculous. This thread now, thanks to you all, serves no purpose. The campaigning of feminism and the campaigning of other different ideologies have successfully... messed this thread up. ;D Congratulations. You guys raped this thread. :X |
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It's simply not true that you can "stay safe most of the time" by following certain rules. But let's either make a new thread about this issue or continue this via PM, or drop the matter entirely. It is true that this is getting rather off-topic. Edit: The steak example just doesn't fit.
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+1 This made me laugh out loud. Now, just me or is young girls doing that kind of dancing considerably more disturbing in "real life" as composed to animated? Where it seems much more endearing? edit: look at the video and was "wha... oh dear... *looks over his shoulder, closes tab*"
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