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Kyero Fox · 2012-01-17, 12:31

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Originally Posted by Xion Valkyrie

After seeing this, you really have to wonder:

Is that SWTOR cutscene in the final build?

Wow, people really need to FUCKING LAY OFF TOR... Im gonna be chuckling when those MMO's that the video show fai- oh wait.. one already did.. not even a month after release.

oh and something tells me that there are only cut scenes here and there.. not EVERY QUEST... lets see a F2P game like Blade and soul and GW2 have the budget to make those kind of cut scenes for pretty much every quest.

not flaming at you bro, just the people who talk shit from that video.

Nixl · 2012-01-17, 14:23

Bugs like those is part of the reason beta testing is fun. Some of unintended bugs almost become better than the intended version in my opinion.

The best cut scene bug in my opinion is the one that randomly reduced an NPC's size drastically. For instance, I still remember a cut scene in which Satele Shan is about the size of a squirrel walking across the scene, while everyone else was normal sized. I think the caption was, "Satele Shan had a hard time fitting in." I wish I saved that pic.

Kyero Fox · 2012-01-17, 14:59

Haha yea, aric did that too I was like "awww witty bitty kitty"

Gotta be something with the mini holograms.

Kyral · 2012-01-17, 17:38

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Originally Posted by Kyero Fox

Haha yea, aric did that too I was like "awww witty bitty kitty"

I had this one too. xD
I also sometimes love it when NPCs just do thier normal routine in the background, me and a friend once used one of the sensor arrays on Tatooine without aggroing the Tusken Raiders standing there, so in the cutscene we had this one Tusken standing about one step besides us, watching the desert with his macrobinoculars and we were all "Err... okay, must be something pretty interesting going on back there."

Xacual · 2012-01-17, 17:56

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Originally Posted by Kyero Fox

Wow, people really need to FUCKING LAY OFF TOR... Im gonna be chuckling when those MMO's that the video show fai- oh wait.. one already did.. not even a month after release.

oh and something tells me that there are only cut scenes here and there.. not EVERY QUEST... lets see a F2P game like Blade and soul and GW2 have the budget to make those kind of cut scenes for pretty much every quest.

It's because surprisingly many MMO gamers don't like cutscenes invading their play time that much. And TOR isn't doing that well either if you look at the numbers.

http://www.swtorarena.com/statistics/

http://www.torstatus.net/

I mean having a third of your population not still playing even through the free month? Even on weekends?

Nixl · 2012-01-17, 18:52

I have been following the graphs too, the way they explained the data seems valid. Although we will not truly know until Wednesday/Thursday when the free month it up. Based on sales, TOR did well, but I do not know if it did as well as intended. I know BW said they would be profitable at 500k, but I feel that they would suffer a backlash from EA, even if the backlash is unwarranted. Hard to tell.

Well, I was going to hold off until tomorrow, but I do want to know how many of you are 50 yet? The reason I ask is that I wanted to know what you think about the story of TOR.

Essentially, what would you have done different if you were a writer (if anything)?

For instance, I feel that Bioware could have taken their dialogue wheel/choices to the next step with a faction system. Take WoW: Burning Crusade with the Aldor and Scryers faction that you built reputation with. I think such a reputation/faction system would have fit TOR perfectly. I mean, you already have a choice system and you have at least companion reputation gain. It you want to give players choices, let them choose to controls a sector or the council, etc. As it stands you cannot seem to change the political situation at all. If not now, I think that is a feature that Bioware should look into for future expansions.

Another thought is that rather than do 8 mini-stories that branch in, I think BW should have started starting at a singular point that branched out, so that your character is undeniably linked to the war. For example, I think they could have started at the battle of Alderan with which Malgus and Shan faced off in that cinematic. The text prologue could say that as Republic you were a refugee from Alderan whereas with the Empire you could have been a slave taken by Malgus. This may seems trivial, but I think they could have done more to make your character feel like the second generation of Republic/Empire to be dragged into the war.

Edit: I just found an article that *speculates* that EA has invested close to $500 million into TOR.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ele...7?pagenumber=2
http://www.gamebanshee.com/news/1064...n-dollars.html

Again it is speculation, but this sounds a tad bit more plausible coming from the Doug Creutz of Cowen & Co compared to EA Louse (who claimed $300 million). I know Reid has denied this figure, but as with anyone spokesmen they spin news, we will probably never know. Ultimately, it could be $500 million in total, but spread out between marketing, production, and setting up the physical location of the Bioware studio. I do remember a news story stating that EA set up a new studio location just for TOR. If EA did open a new location, a new studio with new equipment and new offices to rent could add up easily over time.

Nonetheless, whether TOR actual costs range from $80 to $500 million, it seems like an expensive venture.

Keroko · 2012-01-17, 20:13

I like the idea of ideas having a... for the lack of a better term larger, more tangible impact on the world. However, the branching story doesn't really work well with a lot of the backgrounds of the class story though. The Jedi characters were raised from childhood for example, the Inquisitor starts as a slave while the warrior is a noble born.

Nixl · 2012-01-17, 20:30

True Keroko, branching would have problems.

Another thing, when I see the Sith Warrior I feel as though Bioware was trying to make you feel like Darth Vader, Darth Malgus, and Darth Sion. However, I think they missed one important aspect of these characters in that they were artificially alive in a sense. They were mauled and mostly had mechanical devices. (Sion being the exception) Vader had robotic limbs and was on life support. Malgus also had the breathing device. Darth Sion was probably the most extreme example with his wounds. It looks like they tried to keep with this mechanical/cyborg theme with the Sith Warrior tier armor, but I believe that it should have been an actual part of the Sith Warrior story. As in, at some point you are betrayed, which leaves your mauled, but eventually rebuilt like Vader. From there it could have become a revenge story.

Forgive me, I do not have a good way of articulating this point yet. I read what they did with Malgus' story and design and I think they should have mimicked it with the Sith Warrior down to the story and injuries.

Keroko · 2012-01-18, 02:45

I see what you mean, and while I do think it's interesting, not everyone likes changes forced upon their carefully crafted character.

Mahou · 2012-01-18, 02:58

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Originally Posted by Nixl

Bugs like those is part of the reason beta testing is fun. Some of unintended bugs almost become better than the intended version in my opinion.

The best cut scene bug in my opinion is the one that randomly reduced an NPC's size drastically. For instance, I still remember a cut scene in which Satele Shan is about the size of a squirrel walking across the scene, while everyone else was normal sized. I think the caption was, "Satele Shan had a hard time fitting in." I wish I saved that pic.

I had the bug as well with my Jedi Knight. When the camera angle switched to show the Jedi table and she spoke, I couldn't see her at all. Just as they showed her chair at the end of the dialogue I was able to see her in tiny-appearance

Hm, I really need to find a class for myself to stick with instead of rotating between three+ characters in <20 range. It seems that in this level range there is an huuuge influx of Trooper Commandos, Sentinels and JC-Sages on my german server.

Nixl · 2012-01-18, 15:55

The everyday life of a Republic trooper....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...0kDP_Cexo#t=9s

Ryus · 2012-01-18, 16:24

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Originally Posted by Xacual

I mean having a third of your population not still playing even through the free month? Even on weekends?

They made me buy a month to get that free month... so it's more like 1/2 off your first 2 months.

Then again I was given a SWTOR prepayed card for Christmas so it was thankfully on someone else.

I'm currently playing it only about once a week, so those number don't surprise me.

Nixl · 2012-01-18, 17:11

I was wondering when the One Eyed Bro was going to join the discussion more >:3

So Ryus, what would you have done with TOR's story?

Tokkan · 2012-01-18, 19:02

BLARG Stupid CDN. Why did EA and BioWare decide to use a CDN service for patching? Not all the CDN servers are getting consistent files for whatever reason so people are getting stuck in infinite repair loops because the launcher is constantly downloading corrupt files. WTF?

Firefly00 · 2012-01-18, 20:35

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Originally Posted by Keroko

I see what you mean, and while I do think it's interesting, not everyone likes changes forced upon their carefully crafted character.

Presuming the existence of such an incident requiring extensive reconstruction, I put forward the idea Bioware could have taken a page from Silicon Knights' playbook, with specific reference to Too Human, wherein each choice (human or cybernetic) comes with its own set of perks and tradeoffs.

Nixl · 2012-01-18, 21:07

Yikes, I do not know how many of you experienced Ilum, but Republic players got a raw experience with the faction imbalance in a poorly planned PVP decision. The decision I am talking about is that for each objective controlled said side receives bonus valor rewards, thus the Imperials had the advantage of numbers and not only easily took the objectives, but also easily steamrolled Republic players. In essence, Imperials were able to farm republic players throughout the day and on top of it received large amounts of bonus Valor points. Bioware made a response saying that they would change Ilum in the future.
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=197991

However, it seems that Bioware will not roll back the servers and so those who took advantage of Ilum today shall keep the valor points. While Bioware stated it could taken action, the sheer amount of players that took advantage makes that possibility appear unlikely in my opinion.

The response on the forum is,well, rage.

Xion Valkyrie · 2012-01-19, 00:13

Wow, EA, just wow...

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=199124

Nixl · 2012-01-19, 00:42

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Originally Posted by Xion Valkyrie

Wow, EA, just wow...

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=199124

If true, that is a new low by hiding the unsubscribe option. I dont like it one bit. I do not think that is a line that should be crossed.

Edit: I see youuuuuu Ryus, typin' dat reply.

Ryus · 2012-01-19, 01:44

^Yeah, a lot of typing...

So glad I haven't done any PvP yet or I'd likely be joining in the rage after hearing that and hiding the unsubscribe button is a bad sign for this games sales rate and a piety move (then again these are the same people who retconned most of the plot points in Kotor 2 for no seemingly good reason other than they didn't like it, so I'm not surprised)

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Originally Posted by Nixl

I was wondering when the One Eyed Bro was going to join the discussion more >:3p

I've been avoiding here since I'm such a noob at MMOs I'm still learning tons even now. Thankfully my brother a WoW loyalist has helped me here.

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Originally Posted by Nixl

So Ryus, what would you have done with TOR's story?

That is impossible in 10,000 words or less since we are talking about editing a 200 hour plus game with 6 main characters in a single post, but I'll try anyways.

Going to be hard to sum up all my thoughts here, sorry if it sounds weird when you read it

but I am having to condense a lot of what I want so I'll just keep it focused on the setup between Kotor and SWTOR and some neat ideas (at least imho) I had for my dream game. Hopefully you understand.

Spoiler for TL; maybe you'll read :p:

First off I would have set the game no more than 20 years from the events in Kotor 2 and never retconned Kotor 2 (SWTOR only did the plot line Kotor 2 introduced about the True Sith Empire existing out beyond the outer rim and rectonned the rest, I say regardless of how you liked/disliked the game keep it as is and work with it as grown ups and not whinny people "fixing" what was previously cannon). Also make the game have multiple endings, due to the nature of giving characters ls/ds choices a cannon version can just be picked later like it was with Kotor 1 and 2, where the ls/ds choices actually matter instead of just being loot requirements.

Next conceptually, killing off the Kotor 1 and 2 characters for SWTOR makes sense. Since it shows a boldness with how far they're willing to take the plot. Plus the death of one generation and the next fixing there mistakes is the main plot point of the original Star Wars series... but it should have been done in game and not 300 year prior to it (Mira for example likely should have died previously due to Kreia's prediction, though to still include her in the game make her be the one whom found either Jedi Knight or Jedi Consular and have Mira's force ghost give the clues how to free both Revan and Exile). Lets face it they where good characters with tons of remaining potential, I mean who wouldn't like to see Atton luring Sith Lords into death traps or HK-47 making a dent on the number of senators on Coruscant.

Speaking of Revan and Exile they should have damaged the Empires war effort not just charged after the Emperor, the plot logic of SWTOR having Revan effect the Emperor's mind slowing over time into not attacking is flawed since the Republic was vulnerable a decade prior to that and it took many years further after that to really kick in yet for the whole time he choose not to attack too (yet never a why) and now we're just supposed to accept Revan made him paranoid. Sorry but that is effect before cause, since he already had that opinion... plus wtf happen to all the spies he was stated to having in SWTOR or the Madalorians whom lived beyond the Republic yet failed to let slip to a single Imperial troop/informant "oh yeah, the Republic is on the brink of collapse so why not attack it now with your huge Empire, so what if it's slightly ahead of schedule they're so weak it won't matter". I mean really not a single bit of intelligance reached the Empires ears and if it did the Emperor choose to ignore it for 10 years before his mind was effected by Revan (well started to become effected by it)... plus lets ignore the logic of the Emperor feeding off Revan and Revan feeding off Exile to sustain himself but the Exile was made weaker in the book so therefore she logically couldn't sustain Revan from such a vast and constant drain since Revan was made stronger then her (so her smaller tank is filling his larger tank and his is filling the Emperors even larger tank yet, some how Revan is winning in the power battle due to Exile and Exile is handling her force ghost self just fine too...

). ok enough ranting and pointing out the bad logic of SWTOR:Revan and the game too ...

Anyways Exile should have found Revan after leaving Malacore 5, teamed up with some Dark Council members, they needed the Emperor gone and some strong allies, and he teamed up with them because Revan tried to use the Sith's greatest weakness against them (which is the countless in fighting of many weaker Sith vs a few strong ones, plus would have been a shinning example why Darth whipped out all the rest of the Sith and created the rule of two). She uses her bonding ability gain more Sith worthy of rebellion and after a few year of destroying a bit of his war machine but not enough (especially due to the Republics near death state), eventually they then make a bold move on the Emperor himself in a hope that the Sith with him him gone will continue their piety battles and destroy themselves while the Republic recovers from both the Mandalorian Wars and Jedi Civil War. However the Emperor sees through there plans and has a traitor in there midst that figuratively stabs them in the back and causes in fighting in there own ranks before the Emperor is dead thus causing Revans forces to collapse and the Emperor to consolidate power. Revan and the Exile are captured alive (by the traitor whom is Scourges master, Scourge to still tie into the Jedi Knights plot line will betray him eventually and go LS but due to his master being the traitor he too is propelled with him up to serve as the Sith Emperor's personal assassin's apprentice) and in the resulting chaos of Revan and Exile's capture several Sith flee into Republic space thus forcing the Emperor to attack now or risk tipping off the republic about the Empire before he can launch an attack.

Now as in the game, the Republic is crushed but not in 28 years since Revan, Exile, and most Kotor 1/2 characters will be too old by then (and revan did it in 2 years so the 28 years seems a major ass grab number, especially when the assault is also stated as the most brilliant invasion in history (uh, hello, lets look at the white Elephant in the room of the name of Revan whom did it faster and better))... so lets say 5-10 at most and only that long since they too whwre hurt ofr resources after revan assaulted them with Exile and some dark Council dudes. Don't forget revan had almost beat the Republic in two years and the republic so weak it was on the brink of collaspe after Kotor 1 and 2 but now due to Revan and Exile the Empire couldn't defeat entire Republic with there war machine since there own war machine took a bad beating. Thus leading the the Treaty of Coruscant, where the Empire makes a gamble that they can rebuild quicker. Now a few years have gone by and now Satele Shan in a young woman/jedi and her mother Bastila takes her role as the Grand Jedi Master (and Mical being a Jedi Master on the Council with her), Revan's son from the book (and Satele's older brother in my "what I would've done") would also be a full Jedi Knight.

Back to Revan and Exile have the Emperor continue Force feeding off of Revan but not so much probing his mind since it's now useless info. However in the Exile's case have The Sith Emperor trying to figure out just what kinda wound in the force she is, so he can feed off the power source she's feeding on herself too. There would be two options to do with Exile's wound in the force a) keep it as Kreia suggested and she's purely just tapping into the force through force bonds or b) what I think would be better for the plot line here (and Kreia kinda batted around this but never said it) make her dead to the living force (as indicated by people being unable to sense her and feel her except through bonds) but have her getting her power from the Unifying Force (Literally the force everyone merges with once they die, it'd be funny if that turned out to be the case after Kreia called her the death of the force... so she'd be kinda right "death" yes, "of the force" no but the potential was there since she could've become like Nihilus) with the bonding ability letting her tap into others also ... this would perfectly explain what she was able to do since she was able to "cut through destiny" and since Yoda said the future is always in motion only the Unifying Force could do this. In short she is a wound that lets the force itself act through her and not a bloody backhole like Nihilus was, and to quote Luke Skywalker in the book Destiny's Way

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A special destiny is not always something joyous, or easy to bear. My father had a special destiny, and see where it took him.

So her being the will of the force will likely lead her down a painful path, that will likely come to an abrupt end once her path is over... however playing on the special destiny path of Vader I'd like her to go into death at the very least content if not finally happy.

Now I believe b would be the better option than a since the Nihilus was the true wound in the force (didn't even have a physical form anymore for the most part) and even though the Exile was similar to him she was different too since what she never relied it for power and only got the benefit of it anyways (in short she followed the will of the force but Nihilus rejected the will of the force and substituted his own will and therefore in my set up here ending up like the vong cut off and forced to find a way to sustain himself through other means) . Next off the Vong didn't exist in the force and therefore where immune to force powers such as force push in Star Wars cannon and couldn't be sensed (vong aren't in Kotor 2 of SWTOR but mentioned (though not by name by Canderious in one of his war stories in Kotor 1 (she ship that fled the Galaxy)). So the Exile is clearly between the two.

I have some ideas how'd I like that to play out but due to all the plot points I'd have to cover couldn't do it in a single post here. Suffice to say, Revan goes dark Side again but instead of becoming a character to loot becomes the final defacto master of the Sith Warrior and Sith Inquisitor characters (he takes on both at different levels, but not in an official way hence ending in one eventually defeating him), Revan purpose in doing this knowing these two will eventually make there own moves for power thus weakening the Sith internally. He'd also give missions to the Empire players (bounty hunter and Imp agent) though once again nothing game ending. Exile on the other hand becomes the defacto final master of JK and JC (and which ever character which was found by Mira can find out Exile was her first master, thus tie in with Mira and maybe an appearance from her ghost in a yoda/obiwan on dagobah manner where mira serves as the obiwan and the Exile as the yoda but more in a combat situation than basic force lessons for the noob manner that was in Empire strikes back) and gives missions to trooper and smuggler. The Exile though at this point is more just trying to hold the Republic together from within but not working with the jedi but working with the fleet (hence earning her titles Exile and General), though she'd clearly still be friends with Mikal and likely Bastila too. I'd also make the Exile have a child with Atton, once again so as to have her not acting like a jedi but being LS anyways (earning her Exile title once again)... it'd also be quite tragic to have Atton end up raising the baby if/when she where to die.

Now I would plan for both Revan and Exile to die in the game (or a planned expansion, but better tied into the Sith Emperor plot line due to being captured by him) since the whole mythology of Star Wars is the new gen taking over from the old. As Yoda said "Strong am I with the force, but not that strong [immune to death]". Now that said Revan could in redeem himself in the end and go ls vs the Emperor but die (the ending I'd prefer just since both he and Exile should eventually die so the playable characters can use them as measuring sticks to there own progress, though the real question is when is the time to do this and that should be based on everything as a whole not just the plot line with the Emperor), or stay ds and eventually become the next emperor (the ending I think might work better for him since it throws his entire plan out the bloody window, thus making all he did for not). Honestly I don't care which, as long as he is eventually killed in a worthy manner. As to the Exile, I'd want her to be the Example to Jedi whom break the code how to stay LS and also justification by those whom break the code for DS reasons, therefore earning the scorn of many jedi too both good ones and bad ones, but due to her bonding skills have many like her without ever knowing why. This would also tie into Kreia's suspicions that the force cared nothing for out philosophies and "sides" to the force, if her power came from the unifying force that is. She'll also find tons of untrained force sensitives and they'd fall or rise based on her influence with them.

I'd keep many of the characters and plot lines but fill them out a bit and weave the Kotor 1 and 2 characters into the plot more, who wouldn't want to see Canderious fighting for his life against new usurper's to the madalore title whom are in the Empire's pocket just so he can find find Revan and team up with him again for one last final glorious battle. Or for example make Satele Shan the daughter Revan knew he had and have a moment where she gets captured by her father and he thus finds out about her and having a huge moment of indecision (so play Satele like the Padawan she was in the trailer and comics and have Bastila take over her grand master roles). Best yet would be to have this happen when Revan is training one of the Sith characters so they can react to his failure to kill her right away. Hell maybe even find out she's pregnant (since we all know that she has a secret child in SWTOR why not having her about to have that very child here), and have her be so much like Batsila (with hints of him) that he just can't even move. I won't tell you how'd I'd end that scene, sorry it's late enough as it is and I need sleep.

Nixl · 2012-01-19, 01:50

To be perfectly I honest, I thought they would pull and an Illidan with Revan as in a character that would receive a dedicated expansion with quests/instances, etc to fulfill plot points. Sadly...they needed a boss that fulfilled a pants loot quota.

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Kyero Fox Tastes Cloudy Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Snake Way Age: 35	Haha yea, aric did that too I was like "awww witty bitty kitty" Gotta be something with the mini holograms. __________________

2012-01-17, 18:52	Link #1106
Nixl Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009	I have been following the graphs too, the way they explained the data seems valid. Although we will not truly know until Wednesday/Thursday when the free month it up. Based on sales, TOR did well, but I do not know if it did as well as intended. I know BW said they would be profitable at 500k, but I feel that they would suffer a backlash from EA, even if the backlash is unwarranted. Hard to tell. Well, I was going to hold off until tomorrow, but I do want to know how many of you are 50 yet? The reason I ask is that I wanted to know what you think about the story of TOR. Essentially, what would you have done different if you were a writer (if anything)? For instance, I feel that Bioware could have taken their dialogue wheel/choices to the next step with a faction system. Take WoW: Burning Crusade with the Aldor and Scryers faction that you built reputation with. I think such a reputation/faction system would have fit TOR perfectly. I mean, you already have a choice system and you have at least companion reputation gain. It you want to give players choices, let them choose to controls a sector or the council, etc. As it stands you cannot seem to change the political situation at all. If not now, I think that is a feature that Bioware should look into for future expansions. Another thought is that rather than do 8 mini-stories that branch in, I think BW should have started starting at a singular point that branched out, so that your character is undeniably linked to the war. For example, I think they could have started at the battle of Alderan with which Malgus and Shan faced off in that cinematic. The text prologue could say that as Republic you were a refugee from Alderan whereas with the Empire you could have been a slave taken by Malgus. This may seems trivial, but I think they could have done more to make your character feel like the second generation of Republic/Empire to be dragged into the war. Edit: I just found an article that speculates that EA has invested close to $500 million into TOR. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ele...7?pagenumber=2 http://www.gamebanshee.com/news/1064...n-dollars.html Again it is speculation, but this sounds a tad bit more plausible coming from the Doug Creutz of Cowen & Co compared to EA Louse (who claimed $300 million). I know Reid has denied this figure, but as with anyone spokesmen they spin news, we will probably never know. Ultimately, it could be $500 million in total, but spread out between marketing, production, and setting up the physical location of the Bioware studio. I do remember a news story stating that EA set up a new studio location just for TOR. If EA did open a new location, a new studio with new equipment and new offices to rent could add up easily over time. Nonetheless, whether TOR actual costs range from $80 to $500 million, it seems like an expensive venture. Last edited by Nixl; 2012-01-17 at 20:33.

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Nixl Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009	Bugs like those is part of the reason beta testing is fun. Some of unintended bugs almost become better than the intended version in my opinion. The best cut scene bug in my opinion is the one that randomly reduced an NPC's size drastically. For instance, I still remember a cut scene in which Satele Shan is about the size of a squirrel walking across the scene, while everyone else was normal sized. I think the caption was, "Satele Shan had a hard time fitting in." I wish I saved that pic.

2012-01-17, 20:13	Link #1107
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	I like the idea of ideas having a... for the lack of a better term larger, more tangible impact on the world. However, the branching story doesn't really work well with a lot of the backgrounds of the class story though. The Jedi characters were raised from childhood for example, the Inquisitor starts as a slave while the warrior is a noble born.

2012-01-17, 20:30	Link #1108
Nixl Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009	True Keroko, branching would have problems. Another thing, when I see the Sith Warrior I feel as though Bioware was trying to make you feel like Darth Vader, Darth Malgus, and Darth Sion. However, I think they missed one important aspect of these characters in that they were artificially alive in a sense. They were mauled and mostly had mechanical devices. (Sion being the exception) Vader had robotic limbs and was on life support. Malgus also had the breathing device. Darth Sion was probably the most extreme example with his wounds. It looks like they tried to keep with this mechanical/cyborg theme with the Sith Warrior tier armor, but I believe that it should have been an actual part of the Sith Warrior story. As in, at some point you are betrayed, which leaves your mauled, but eventually rebuilt like Vader. From there it could have become a revenge story. Forgive me, I do not have a good way of articulating this point yet. I read what they did with Malgus' story and design and I think they should have mimicked it with the Sith Warrior down to the story and injuries.

2012-01-18, 02:45	Link #1109
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	I see what you mean, and while I do think it's interesting, not everyone likes changes forced upon their carefully crafted character.

2012-01-18, 15:55	Link #1111
Nixl Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009	The everyday life of a Republic trooper.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...0kDP_Cexo#t=9s

2012-01-18, 17:11	Link #1113
Nixl Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009	I was wondering when the One Eyed Bro was going to join the discussion more >:3 So Ryus, what would you have done with TOR's story?

2012-01-18, 19:02	Link #1114
Tokkan Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Australia Age: 35	BLARG Stupid CDN. Why did EA and BioWare decide to use a CDN service for patching? Not all the CDN servers are getting consistent files for whatever reason so people are getting stuck in infinite repair loops because the launcher is constantly downloading corrupt files. WTF?

2012-01-18, 21:07	Link #1116
Nixl Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009	Yikes, I do not know how many of you experienced Ilum, but Republic players got a raw experience with the faction imbalance in a poorly planned PVP decision. The decision I am talking about is that for each objective controlled said side receives bonus valor rewards, thus the Imperials had the advantage of numbers and not only easily took the objectives, but also easily steamrolled Republic players. In essence, Imperials were able to farm republic players throughout the day and on top of it received large amounts of bonus Valor points. Bioware made a response saying that they would change Ilum in the future. http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=197991 However, it seems that Bioware will not roll back the servers and so those who took advantage of Ilum today shall keep the valor points. While Bioware stated it could taken action, the sheer amount of players that took advantage makes that possibility appear unlikely in my opinion. The response on the forum is,well, rage.

2012-01-19, 00:13	Link #1117
Xion Valkyrie Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007	Wow, EA, just wow... http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=199124

2012-01-19, 01:50	Link #1120
Nixl Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009	To be perfectly I honest, I thought they would pull and an Illidan with Revan as in a character that would receive a dedicated expansion with quests/instances, etc to fulfill plot points. Sadly...they needed a boss that fulfilled a pants loot quota.