2008-05-05, 08:25 | Link #24121 | |
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Although I'll clarify a little on the incompetence issue: Although there are some of us who think that way, I and I'm sure some others I daresay believe that the underlying reason for that is 7ARCS screwing around and making the TSAB so way pathetic, I'm quite given those words they use to describe the awesome skill of others, either the TSAB have a drastically different dictionary from us, OR they are somewhere near that bad. I like the OODA loop, reminds me of something in dogfighting theory. Never heard of it till now though...In my view thought and planning is also part and parcel, and sometimes can override the idea of the tempo and flow of combat, while it is important... All the same- *assimilates useful data* I note with some amusement my stupidity in not having included a synopsis, foreword, AND introduction into an OC FILLED FANFIC on the FANFIC thread. I am such a bloody genius, yes? Of course not. I'm re-releasing once I get up the time to do what I said I'd do. Geh. |
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2008-05-05, 08:43 | Link #24122 |
Truth Martyr
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With regards to the OODA loop and something you heard in dogfighting theory, it's probably the OODA loop, also known as the Boyd Loop after the name of the guy who created it, USAF Col. John Boyd. Before anyone dismisses it out of hand, it's worth noting that Boyd was a hotshot fighter pilot, a Korean War vet, and an instructor at Nellis, who freqently bet his students and opponents that from a position of weakness and disadvantage, he could turn the tables on any challenger and defeat him in 42 seconds. He tended to win most of those bets.
Still working on longass breaker.
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2008-05-05, 08:56 | Link #24124 |
~ I Do ~
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Seriously, can't a man study in peace?! *puts on mask* Ore wa, Cleric... I begin intervention of overblown militarism with TESLA-CHAN!!! <3 Ware no FANSERVISU GRENEDO tatani mono nashi!
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2008-05-05, 09:04 | Link #24125 | |
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2008-05-05, 09:17 | Link #24126 |
Truth Martyr
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@TK: watching vid.
Also, this is directed at everyone who keeps using visual references of anime to support arguments on Nanoverse: Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle: there is a limit on our ability to observe reality with accuracy. My point here is that as there is already a limit on our ability to observe reality with accuracy, what more fiction? And it was Boyd who summed this principle in this manner. EDIT: And before more people take this a crapload more seriously than they should, my whole intentions here are simply to point out that there is a limit to observe the nanoverse with accuracy. We can make assumptions and guesses, but in the end we're limited by the medium of animation.
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2008-05-05, 10:21 | Link #24128 |
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Crack + Melee/Range discussions for the 576367th time (( not restricted to Nanohaverse )) + Khrack + Comacrack + more crack. At this rate, I'm going to have 30 pages of backlog to plow through. -_- (( thankfully I'm nowhere near Aaron's post-by-post decimation level )) The question of range vs melee brings about the question of how Mid vs Belka is portrayed though. To be quite honest, the show restricts itself on the boundaries of such things, and even when done, it's not like we see Deed tap-dancing to Vice's sniper shots. We've never seen all layers of each element in clash with one another, but the general idea stays in dependence on who the particular issue reflects. Over-specialization does hurt though. Taking Tk's baseball analogy into account, as fast as a pitcher can pitch, if he's only got fastballs, he's not going to last unless playing closer. It's not an iron curtain society in Mid where one style reflects their entire culture. And Sailor Senshi? Please, we don't need planet destroyers in Nanohaverse. Each one of the upper-tier Senshis are the highest levels of Lost Logia on their own.
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2008-05-05, 10:45 | Link #24130 | ||
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Keroko's "argument" was basiclly "Nanoha magic is fast so even though we SEE it moving slow since Nanoha magic is fast it must have really been going fast in spite of evidence to the contrary since after all Nanoha magic is fast." That's circular logic at it's finest and most outrageous. This has nothing to do with limits of observation it's simply flat out horrible reasoning riddled logical fallacies.
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2008-05-05, 11:08 | Link #24132 | |
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You know Tk, I just realized... if you really are right and Nanohaverse magic does not succumb to animation techniques, and the speed we see is indeed what we get, then that renders all your arguments about Mid's range defeating Belka's melee contradictionary.
After all, if the attacks don't even reach baseball speeds, then that makes them pretty much useless beyond anything but throwing distance. Not to mention physics defying... Anyway, my standpoint is hardly what you described. My standpoint is that there is a severe difference in speed where Nanoha combat is concerned. What seems slow in one scene, suddenly seems fast in the next. Actions that look slow up close are blindingly fast from a distance. These fluctuations in speed, both in magical and physical combat, are presented on screen. Both count as 'evidence' as you put it. Yet which one is the true speed? I prefer to choose the fast speed for several reasons, one among them being that it increases the awesomness factor of Nanoha combat severalfold. The other being that the slow moving combat can be explained, while the fast moving can't (or at least, I've never heard of people doing a reverse-slow effect. Maybe for comedic purposes, but not for action). And lastly, there is even a reason for those interested in applying the Laws of Physics: It also explains just why seemingly slow moving attacks can do damage they should not be able to at their speeds. Just like Tetris, it never ends. :3 Quote:
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2008-05-05, 11:26 | Link #24133 | ||
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Good... good!
Only a few things I have to correct... Spoiler for Correction proposals:
Ah yes... It's been a while since I was able to do something like this. xD Quote:
My private subtitle correction work idled there for some time until I decidet to leave things as they are... Maybe I should have asked a friend of mine what they say, back then... he don't need subtitles... the lucky bastard! xD Quote:
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2008-05-05, 11:34 | Link #24134 | |
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Kenno Rioko is a Steel Mage, a Rare Skill concept I've been trying to hash out in IRC which amounts to a limited form of tracing (no skill inheritance, and simple objects or masses of metal only) coupled with some manipulation of the physical properties of metallic objects (reshaping swords, turning metal into a liquid without heating it, and of course a Rumble Detonator knock-off) and a limited form of absorption and redirection of elemental attacks. Rio's got Venus's fuku, a few of her attacks, and a variation on her personality, so at worst she's a port of the anime version of Minako, not the "eats planets for lunch" manga-canon Eternal Sailor Venus. Really Night, after the month or two that I've been here, do you really think I'm stupid enough to port a planet-killer without really significant nerfing? ...Goose, TK, don't answer that.
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2008-05-05, 11:40 | Link #24135 | |
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2008-05-05, 11:53 | Link #24137 | ||||||
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Sadly appropriate. -_- *Me despairs*
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Part 2: Applying this to nanoverse, there is a limit on our ability to observe due to the flawed medium of an anime. Not to say that we don't use visual evidence and stuff, but it's more of a recognition and reminder that we're working with a flawed medium here. (And also because I'm pragmatic enough to realise that nobody's gonna stop techtalking anytime soon.) Part 3: As I understand it he was referring to Energy-Maneuverability theory in practice. And at 12.54 am right now, I can't really see how to apply it to OC or to our understanding of the Nanoverse. Maybe after work tomorrow. Quote:
And you don't have try to observe a sub-atomic quantum particle to be limited in your scope. Take sociological studies. Without actually being able to read people's minds, any observation of human behaviour is limited in accuraccy, especially considering how the Hawthorne Effect and Observer Effect can also skew interviews. Quote:
Incidentally, while Mid has a fairly strong advantage in flight and the open, I'm surprised no one's talking about closed spaces. And I'd like to remind alls that whether the mid user fires while on the move or stops and shoots might well depend on his/her branch; excepting the Nakajima sisters and Tea, I can't think of any other GF mages who shoot on the move; it's possible that AF trains to shoot and move, but not GF. *shrug* We know that shooting and moving is possible, so the only explanation is that either they need to remain stationary to cast spells or it's a training/tradition issue. Ah, whatever. I've said my piece. I've tried to point out that this is all ultimately futile, in a subtle and not point blank manner, but meh. Now I'm going to go and sleep; I have more important things to worry about like how I'm gonna survive 4 weeks until my next paycheck on enough cash for 1 week. Quote:
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Admittedly this is silly. But the possibilities! Magical Girl Baseball Nanoha! (In the original, Franz actually cut the magical round in half and was treated to a point-blank detonation of destabilized mana. And yes it should be obvious that by the tone I'm going for lulz.) Quote:
Argh Keroko beat me to it.
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2008-05-05, 13:09 | Link #24139 | ||
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Oh, you didn't know? There are Keroko's in just about any anime universe I like. The Keroko in Angelic Layer is a bright and cheerfull person who's had her share of wins and losses (her record is not as spotless as her canon compatriots) so she doesn't mind losing that much. Funny thing, due to her angels abillity to manupulate electricity, she can actually hold her ground her ground against Ohjiro fairly well. |
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2008-05-05, 13:30 | Link #24140 | |
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*imagines that pic is indeed Tesla* *imagines Tesla's reaction to this picture* *nose explodes*
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