2017-02-02, 11:32
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This episode was so incredibly hilarious that my sides hurts right now, if this series is going to get any qualification that would be comedy of the season.
The details in this episode are these: -Akane is only a slut that likes to have casual sex with anything that's able to breath or walk, also she enjoy looking other people suffering because of that. Her motivations? same as the other characters "I feel empty so give me pleasure". The most remarkable thing is how she's been doing this for long time, now she's twisted as hell. -Hanabi is literally using Ebato as her personal dildo, same goes for Mugi. If she doesn't use one she just use the other, and all for the same motivation of "I'm lonely today after watching my onii-chan with another person". -Ebato knows she's being used but her "lesbian" side (I put it like that for a certain reason, can't spoil that here obviously) is stronger than her self respect so basically she says whatever and go to hanabi's side just to enjoy being treated as an object. Meanwhile Hanabi just thinks about Narumi. -Narumi is the most stupid character of the entire series, he's not only clueless, he don't even use his brain at all. Poor soul, Akane is going to wreck you until there is nothing left. Kuzu no honkai have the basis of a realistic feeling which is loneliness, but the execution is incredibly bad and mediocre. Instead of focusing in the main characters and develop a credible story with them the author choose to go full low tier doujin story, including a slut, a guy who's most likely getting NTR'd, a girl who has no idea what is she doing so she use other people to get pleasure and avoid solving her own mess, and another guy who's even more incompetent. |
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2017-02-02, 13:23
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Still, this really does just keep falling further and further, with everyone involved at a given point making more and more "scum" choices out of a completely selfish indulgence of immediate desire, all the while laughing at themselves inside for doing things that they know won't make them or anyone else happy and that really only makes them hate themselves. I think oddly the shame they feel is what I find most interesting in this series, the way that none of the characters are really painted as being good or feeling good about themselves or even having anything to feel good about. They're just continuing to try and get rid of their emotional hangovers by drowning them in more of the intoxicating pleasure of sex and simple human contact. And yes, even simple contact with no sexual meaning can be highly inappropriate if it's this selfish, this much about satisfying one's own immediate need regardless of its effect on others. I just hope that the story eventually has someone turn off this road. The turn's always there, and it's really much easier than you'd think once you start, even if it does hurt. It's just scary and embarrassing to break off the dark path and take a chance at finding out just how bright the other path could be/have been. I always prefer to see stories like this when there's at least one person who sees a path out of this deepening darkness and takes it. |
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2017-02-02, 16:31
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Join Date: Sep 2006
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That was an excellent episode, i've always liked this show's aesthetic, but this week I found the whole mood of the show was really well set up. Everyone's damaged. Akane finds joy in seducing men she's not really interested in but to steal them away from the one who is. Hana stopping herself at the last minute from passing on her misery to Mugi, only to be stalked by Ecchan and persuaded into experimenting with her sexuality - which guarantees their relationship can never been what it was.
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2017-02-02, 18:15
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Damn, they crossed the line fast. While the aesthetic are excellent I'm struggling to find something I liked about the episode. I feared the moment they properly introduced Akane the show would have gone south, and it kinda did, at my eyes at least. And Ebato contributed consistently. I can't speak of onichan since I barely noted him.
The only thing I was interested in was to know a bit more about Akane and Mugi dynamics, but it was barely touched ... upon. Akane's portrayal is too blatant and I'm not sure what to think about Ebato behaviour. Give me Mugi back. Side note, Akane put down Wagner's Die Walküre book. And on the wiki page one the first things it says it's how in Norse mythology, a valkyrie is one in a group of female figures who decide which soldiers die in battle and which live.
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2017-02-02, 21:35
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Join Date: Dec 2005
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Eh, you guys don't like a brazenly slutty maneater whore, whose only joy in life is to NTR girls of their loved ones? I'm here daring the show to give me worst scum it can give, and it delivered magnificently. I'm personally GUSHING at every move Akane makes, since she might even be the titular character, or at least be the one that motivates the Hanabi to be the titular character. In any case, this show is oozing tons of juicy drama, and I'm just salivating at all the possibilities that can happen.
 Is Akane a well-written character? As of now, not really... she's no Hasegawa Kyouko (probably the best written character I've ever seen in proportion to how little screentime she acutally gets), but still, I'm loving Akane's character as an antagonist. It's actually funny that she has no interest in men, and yet LOVES to see other women get jealous at her. Now she wants Hanabi to be like her? Sounds to me Akane is the loneliest person in the series, and now she has found a kindred spirit and all she wants her is an apprentice to join her in the dakr side. XD Yeah, pretty sure Akane is a closet lesbian, considering her interest is in the reactions of other women. Maybe the climax of the series is that she really does fall head over heels in love with Hanabi, and the punchline is that Hanabi leaves her for sensei or Mugi, even though Hanabi doesn't really care for either at that point. And wow, THAT is Toyosaki Aki? I've always praised her as the best well rounded seiyuu behind Taneda Risa (which I guess the title is technically still Toyosaki as Taneda is on hiatus  ), but this really showcases her skill. Heck, I don't think I've ever heard Toyosaki like this, and I've heard her in roles such as silent but tough ojousama lizzy in Valvrave, and the femme fatale Emi in Concrete Revolution. To think she's also voicing the bubbly Yun Yun in this cour's Konosuba... Toyosaki's range really is jaw-dropping. o_OI'm laughing at oedipus-Sensei though. You mean to say if Hanabi only grew her hair out, we wouldn't have a story? lel Oh yeah, wondering what's up with Amazon, with their weird release timings. First couple episodes were early, last one was late, and this one isn't even up yet. Or maybe it might just be my account... Quote:
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2017-02-02, 21:55
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2017-02-02, 22:21
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Did you also notice the Ohira banner among the advertisements hanging from the ceiling of the train Minagawa-sensei rides? Earlier in the episode we’re introduced to Minagawa’s past through a flashback in which a boy returns her handkerchief - a found object, retrieved and repurposed. Minoru Ohira whose art is about repurposing found objects. Perhaps not unlike Georgia O’Keeffe, in that regard. Instilling new meaning. Rejecting interpretations. Rejecting labels. Her notebook with flower motif cover. I don't think this series changed this week. In some respects blatant -and I agree with you here re:Akane Minagawa- but also still subtle. True to itself. |
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2017-02-02, 23:10
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2017-02-03, 03:43
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So Akane reveals her true nature..the malicious side of her personality that I'm sure few knows about. Well Hanabi sees through her. I love the little bits of mind games between the two. I bet the teacher is clueless about Akane's true nature at the moment.
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2017-02-03, 09:37
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I've been reading a few reviews elsewhere, and I must admit I might have altered my view of the series just a bit. It's still not real, too soap to be "serious" and frankly very shallow in some respects, but it takes a bit more meaning from the way it seems like this is all deliberate. It's like telling a show about a pirate in which you have a ton of the tropes you always have in a pirate adventure series, but the way they're presented has all the gloss stripped away to reveal just what you're really watching: thieves who use intimidation and violence to rob others of their property, all to ask the audience the question "just what is romantic or cool about this?". In a similar way, this series seems to seek meaning in taking some of the things that are frankly fairly popular in romance and presenting it in a way to make sure the audience has to admit that the characters are shallow, selfish creatures who almost constantly seek convenient, instant gratification with only a few moments of clarity. And as a result it presents you with a story that has elements that some groups consider so romantic and by exaggerating it and expanding it creates an atmosphere that challenges the viewer to maintain these illusions. That said, it's also not something so over the top as to suggest that the characters are inherently evil, unforgivable or damnable for the scum side of their being; they're doing all sorts of things they shouldn't be doing for many reasons, but they'll survive and they'll probably grow up eventually. Actually, I think Akane's kind of useful in this sense. On the one hand, she provides a much more severe example that helps to keep from seeing the other characters as absolute scum. They may not be anywhere near angelic, but one look at that teacher tells us by comparison that they're not demons either. On the other hand, she shows the end of a road, and has too much similarity to the heroine to overlook; Hanabi hates her for the horrible person she's revealing herself to be, but at the same time she can't help but see the parallels to her own life and behavior, and realize that ultimately what she's doing is too close to the same thing, and she should really be the last person to throw stones. Akane thus at once makes it easier for the audience and Hanabi herself to realize her faults and their severity, while also encouraging forgiveness. In any case, I think one good thing about this series is how unapologetic it is. It doesn't try to make any excuses or pretend it's better than it really is. It refuses these things and works to embrace the ugly side that's usually swept under the rug, to show the dirtiness that is often ignored. I have to say this author may often deal in some really raunchy, erotic material, but she seems to have a bit of a knack for turning the "titillation" into a new message, and for that I must admit some interest. Still no telling whether this will keep it up, but for now I can't pretend it's completely devoid of value. It may still be little more than stuff that's been done before with a whole lot of sex thrown in, but the sex is put in for a reason. |
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2017-02-03, 10:07
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Orthodox Haruhiist
Join Date: Jul 2009
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So, after following this show for a third of the season, I've come to the conclusion that it is unintentionally hilarious. Summing up the characters ... Hanabi pines for her mom's friend who was a stand-in father figure in her youth, while being hampered by some fairly profound insecurities. Mugi is hot for his middle-school tutor, but was sexualized early on by a middle-school classmate; and apparently has some other trauma going on that makes him emotionally cold and distant. Ecchan is a lesbian in a world where lesbians aren't welcome, and is sexually aggressive to the point of insensitivity. Akane has some deep trauma that prevents her from forming lasting relationship bonds (she's only interested in the chase, and she's only interested in chasing those who are off-limits (other womens men.)) And can't-be-arsed-to-remember-his-name is painfully naive and has a fetish for long-haired women (because they remind him of his mommy.) Moka has idealized her childhood friend to the point of putting him on a pedestal because she lacks the maturity or experience to understand what that really means.
By themselves, each character is a fundamentally tragic character. Each balanced perfectly on the knife's-edge. On one side, they can struggle and grow and be the center of a character growth story. On the other side, they can embrace the worst parts of their characters, and in doing so, descend to a tragic end. Put two or three of them in one show, and it'd be quite the drama. Where it crosses the line into "unintentional hilarity" is that all of those characters are in the same show, at the exact same time, and their personalities interact in such a way that they can't help but do horrible things to each other. It has all the trappings of a classic Shakespearean tragedy. All the principals in a tragedy are uniformly awful or uninformed people; so they can't help but be horrible to each other, and the play ticks down to its inevitable conclusion ... i.e. everybody dies. In a well-executed tragedy, you get caught up in the despair and dread as the principal characters steadily close off all avenues of escape for themselves. Each character usually has some combination of redeeming elements that makes the audience care about what happens to them. Kuzu no Honkai doesn't have that. I completely understand why each character does what they do ... they all have perfectly compelling reasons. It's just that none of them are even the slightest bit likable. They're all either awful people (Hanabi, Mugi, Ecchan, and Akane times about five,) or walking anime tropes (Innocent Childhood Friend, and Hopelessly Naive Romantic Young Man (who happens to be a mommy fetishist)); so I don't want to root for any of them. So instead, I come to laugh at their poor decision-making skills.
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2017-02-03, 10:45
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And if the loli wasn't enough the teacher tags along pretty well so far. If this was a mecha show Akane would have been your cartoon villain with mustache (instead she has long airs to turn on the teacher's Oedipus complex, the subtle way to say us who are the children among the children). Quote:
By the way, how do you fight back someone as Akane? Hanabi should just stop languish for her onii-chan.
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2017-02-03, 13:46
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Join Date: Apr 2016
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Episode 4
I am not going to actually judge the teacher for acting hte way she does because let's be frank - the whole cast is full of pretty awful and emotionally damaged people. Is there anyone who is actually acting in a healthy and mature way? Or someone one who is not using others for heir own needs? Ecchan could count but then again what is going on is very much self destructive for her because she is allowing it. Narumi could count I guess since he does not seem to have any sort of ulterior motives. Really, I can only really pity Akane. She seems like completely broken kind of person with very twisted and destroyed concept of emotional support and self-validation. When you break it down into the simplest reasoning for their motivations, what the teacher is doing is basically fulfilling some sort of "emotional" need by using other people for her self-satisfaction. Now we don't know anything about her nor if the show will go deeper into that, but that is certainly interesting premise. Why? Because Hanabi is very well walking onto the same path as her right now by dealing with her own insecurities and problems via using other people for comfort and for reassuring her own self worth. The teacher just at the some point literally seems to have replaced all of her emotional support with that concept, completely forfeiting going for the real thing. Leaving only the idea of feeling desired and valued by others as a form of emotional support or validation for herself. The teacher is essentially a look into a possible future of Hanabi herself if she continues this path of essentially using others for satisfaction of her own ego instead of just accepting that you just can't have some people and you need to move on. The teacher is still living in her own little soap opera and Hanabi could easily end up in the same place years down the line. I mean, when you think about it and look back to previous episodes isn't Hanabi already kind of already in role of Akane when it comes to Noriko and Mugi? |
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