Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha Character Creation and Discussion

[ghazghkull]

Originally Posted by Comartemis

All I have to say is "Likewise, Sheba."

And next time you try to ridicule someone's taste in anime, try to put a little more thought into your post; that sounded distinctly like something I'd expect to hear on 4chan, with about as much intelligent thought behind it as the average /b/ post.

Yeah...unfortunately 4chan's crack has degraded down to true idiocy these days.

Originally Posted by Sheba

I am not going to bother to go into an "intelligent" discussion with someone who seems to blatantly ignore the calls to scale his imba characters to nanohaverse standards, and comes up with more imba character ideas instead.

Read his post a two pages back if you plan to counter him or something.

[Kha]

Originally Posted by Keroko

Only the Sunrising part. Let's not do that. Also, why did Teresa fight Uno? Acouss kinda needed her for questioning...

So far in my crack they have disappeared off future plots, so the return of Due in Alpha was a direct contradiction with Rebuilt. For continuity sake, if Uno, Tre and Quattro return (and they most likely will, since I killed them to fix StrikerS' death count), Sunrising might be a must.

Well...

Spoiler for Bad Rebuilt Spoilers:

In Rebuilt, Fate doesn't win the 3 way fight that easily. She's very badly injured and weakened, but continues to try and save the lab. As such, Tre was able to break free from her binds, taking Fate down in a scrum that allowed Jail to make a run for it. Just then Kha and seeing the situation, he instinctively attacks, and with the new magic damage rules, Tre dies. Kha is dumbfounded, notices the falling rock headed for Fate too late. Erio DYNAMIC ENTRANCE!!!

With Jail free, the trio tries to alert the others about the runner.

Acous was already interviewing Uno lots when he got the message, and barely avoids getting ambushed by Jail due to his hounds detecting stealth. However, he was distracted enough for Jail to break Uno free and make a run for the Cradle.

Erio, Kha and Fate stabilize the lab, then comes Acous notifies them about the escape. Kha chases, Fate insists on following. The pair then Kor Fuzions and unleashes Teresa the Lightning Angel as their last resort. They intercept Jail and Uno outside, only for them to do the same thing.

As the epic battle raged all the way up into high stratosphere and even over the Cradle, near its conclusion, Uno disengages from Jail and sacrifices herself for him. Despite magic damage, she dies.

Due to Jail's repeated tencity, the chain of fights doesn't end there, but basically, that was the real epic final boss fight of StrikerS. Not Nanoha VS Vivio.

Originally Posted by Keroko

Kia is only their mechanical base, right? Because biological base has already been shot down by canon.

Though I'm missing out on a lot of things to make a good repair. Can you give me a summary of the idea?

You're right, she's just a mechanical base, so while her chipset predisposes the Numbers to the Light, they can choose to turn away like lost sheep. I was worrying too much.

Originally Posted by Keroko

As long as you don't stop. And remember, I'm here to help de-khracking if you need me.

Yeah, I must not forget boku no tomodachi no koto...

[Tk3997]

Originally Posted by toran

Another Division Idea (Has this one been done?)

Top Gun : TSAB Advanced Tactics and Combat Instructional School

This school is focused on mid to close ranged mage to mage dogfighting and any involved situations. Each of the air combat divisions are asked to send their best up coming mages to this ace flight school. Here they learn advanced tactics and combat from several TSAB veterans and instructors including Nanoha Takamachi (Post-StrikerS).

This school is formed in hopes of boosting the number of ace flying mages into the ranks of TSAB Air Forces.

Leader: Francias Marshall
Commander and Instructor of Top Gun.
(Though he tends to get stuck with more paperwork than field work)

Very rough at the moment.

Spoiler for Space:

Name : Francias Marshall
Age: 35
Affiliation: Top Gun : TSAB Advanced Flight Tactics and Combat Instructional School / Commander/Instructor
Mage Rating: AAA Air Combat Mid-Childa Style
Combat Style: Close-Mid Ranged Air Combat
Mage Color: Navy Blue
Hair: Short, Black
Eyes: Blue

Bio (In developement) :
After spending several years as an air combat mage in the TSAB, he moved towards more of an instructor role when he met and taught along side Nanoha Takamachi. After she had left to form RF 6 with Yagami Hayate, he continued in his role teaching new recruits and fought along with the air mages during The Cradle Incident. Soon after, he entered Career Training while he played with a new new idea for a flight school.

Several months after RF 6 broke up, he approached Nanoha and Kereko about becoming flight instructors for a school on advanced tactics and air combat.

Nanoha expressed interest.

Kereko has yet to reply.

Top Gun is a school designed only for the best of the best. Only the top 10% of each air division are get to enroll in the school.

Barrier Jacket: His Barrier Jacket consists of black pants and shirts with a gold trim. Over the shirt he wears a while and blue jacket also lined with a gold trip and gold shoulder guards that his black cape is attached to.

Device: In the works

Spells: In the Works

Think Kereko would be interested in teaching few of the best kids in TSAB Air Force how to fight?

I’d argue it seems a tad redundant as basiclly what you described seems to be the entire mission of the instructor corps already(said corps also dosen't seem large enough to be supporting a bunch of sub-commands either IMO)… I don't mind the idea a ton, but as noted the idea just seems rather redundant to me. As noted advanced training and such is already the mission of the Corps so how is this really markedly different?

Basically I won't dismiss it out of hand, but to my thinking the justification seems flimsy and the mission statement rather vague. "Producing more aces" or more competent mages is something the entire corps ought to be striving for constantly to start with.

[Comartemis]

I am not going to bother to go into an "intelligent" discussion with someone who seems to blatantly ignore the calls to scale his imba characters to nanohaverse standards, and comes up with more imba character ideas instead.

Much as I would like to respond to that with a crack about battles of wits and unarmed civilians, I'm not the least bit eager to kick off a flame war, so I will instead assume you simply missed a critical comment and quote myself for your convenience:

Originally Posted by Comartemis

My focus is still almost entirely on Zero, and it's going to stay that way until his character has been released and made acceptably balanced for these boards. After I hit that point, I'll go back and do some more work on balancing Rena's character and making her acceptable to the boards. After that, I have a few ideas regarding Roll and possibly Ciel as new support personnel, and Zero and Rena need teammates to round out Stars and Lightning Squads, which I also need to start thinking about at some point. Rico, unfortunately, is broken right down to his core concept, so don't expect to ever see him again (except for that picture, which is an absolutely awesome character design).

[Evangelion Xgouki]

Yosh! Time for a

BACKLOG IMPACT!!!!

Originally Posted by ghazghkull

A question, are there any issues of alien mages?

Because if that's the case, I've got an idea I want to try out :3

Well this sounds interesting...

Originally Posted by LimitedEternal

*tosses Eva a portable nuke bunker*

You might wanna use this. :3

...Why is this not reassuring about what's going to happen?

Originally Posted by LimitedEternal

*casts Combustion, then aims massive Pyroblast at Eva's head*

Reflects the Pryoblast back

I like the hair on my head, thank you

Originally Posted by Satashi

When life gives you lemons, squeeze the juice in a gun and squirt it into life's eyes.

Hmm...a unique perspective :3

Originally Posted by AdmiralTigerclaw

Then start nerfing the haxx points back.




It doesn't take a super genius man.

Ah, the unoffical HAXXBUSTER mascot

Originally Posted by ghazghkull

Then Belkamaster is a go for production! :3

BTW, what the heck are you doing here on the forums, but not on the IRC?

*Punts Kha into the air*

Get your ass in it. We need our daily dose of hilarity! :3

Oh boy...Syn's going to have some high blood pressure problems at this rate

Originally Posted by arkhangelsk

If you make or import a character, it is your responsibility to write out his techno-tactical characteristics, not for us to research scattered papers and figure out how he might be successfully imported for you.

Let me put it this way. Write him out in such a way I can believe he can exist in the Nanoverse without ever having read a single piece of Megaman.

Ah, the techno-bable conversion . I had to take a few days in order to get that all figured out when I brought over Ryotaro and his Rider System. Even though it looks like the original character, I made a bunch of alterations in order for it to be a feasible Device to fit with in the Nanoha-verse as well as balance it out (multiple forms/AI, but lacks a diverse spell arsenal). Plus I couldn't bring over the attributes of the charatcer since in the series he has the help of 4 others with distinct personalities. So instead I took a bit here and there and merged them after finding some harmony in them. In the end, he's a bit more of my own creation using the original character as a baseline ...kinda

Originally Posted by Wild Goose

...Lowe, USB, I expect GREAT YURICEST from you guys when I get back!

This should prove interesting...

Originally Posted by Kha

Oh snap. I do hope you are refering to the Cyborgs on the TSAB side... Cos I think there's a chance that every other baddie faction has a regiment of them. Especially the CABAL subfaction of the Imperial Belka Army.

CABAL? Here?!

Originally Posted by LoweGear

Haven't done this in a long time so...

Ah, there he is . Haven't seen you around these parts in a while.

Originally Posted by Reiji Tabibito

Reiji: JUPITEL THUNDER!!!

Owww....shocking

Originally Posted by Reiji Tabibito

When life gives you lemons, MAKE PIE!!!!

I prefer Cheesecake

Originally Posted by Kha

No, I prefer Fate to be alive and screaming rather than dead when I'm doing her.

*RUNS*

KKKKKKKKKKKKKHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAA!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by XenahortCharybdis

It's not "Kill'em'all", its more like "Kill-a-lot" and "Spare-a-few" than anything, right Kha?

*injects some Essence of Tomino*

*RUNS*

Originally Posted by Kha

...and lots more, plus her being a tsundere! >3

Tsundere? Hmm... *ponders and plots* (see end of post)

Originally Posted by Keroko

Hmm...

Spoiler:

With a roar of the engine the tank surged forward through the training area, looking for its target.

"I found her!" a voice cried, as the heavy barrel zoomed towards the red-haired figure standing in the dirt.

"Don't just stand there! Take aim and fire!" Roland shouted back. The barrel finished moving into position, but before they could fire the girl had disapeared in a flash of red. "What the- aw dammit! Where is she!"

"Above!"

Meanwhile Keroko was indeed above the tank. No reason to block what you can dodge after all. "Let's finish this in one strike, Artherion!"

[Statement: As you command, master!] the device answered in a voice that betrayed its exitement. An empty cartridge shot out of the device, and a wave of magic surounded the blade.

"Ion Wave!" Keroko shouted as she swung the device, letting loose an arc of magic. The armored vehicle never stood a chance as the attack sliced it cleanly in half. The force of the attack sending both sides of the tank toppling sideways.

Keroko calmly landed in front of the wreckage. Really, to go against a mage in a vehicle with no magical protection whatsoever, what were they thinking?

The crew of the tank clambered out of the wreckage, Roland being the last of them. Like a zombie he climbed out and dragged himself away from the wreckage. He turned around and sank to his knees.

"Why?" he said as tears strained his eyes.

"Eh?" Keroko responded in surprise.

"Why? Why did you do this? My baby! My precious! You murderer!"

Keroko was blinking rapidly in surprise untill Crash tapped her on her shoulder.

"He was really fond of that thing." he whispered. "Something about 'good old fashioned weaponry' and 'the TSAB don't make em like this' they're quite had to get too."

"Haah..." Keroko mumbled as she observed the man mourning the demise of his tank.

Don't go up against people you can't beat if you don't want to lose them, you idiot! she thought with a sweatdrop.

Poor, poor Roland. Actually, should it be poor, poor tank?

Originally Posted by Kha

But-- but-- I'm too poor... I'm enrolled in the most expensive university course there is, with a girlfriend and WoW to feed...

()

*pats*

I feel your pain. College and WoW (especially after 2.4) can be quite demanding alone. But a girlfriend, too? I wish you much luck

Originally Posted by Kha

Laptop out of space, so waiting for the Com Club to be done playing it so I can have a go.

Silly Kha . Go get an External HD for all your pr0n.

Originally Posted by Comartemis

I've had yet another character idea, ladies and gents. This one could potentially fill in the Fullback position for Stars Squad, joining Zero as one of the new Forwards in my own personal timeline.

What would you lot say to a Ritual Magic specialist who suffers greatly with regular attack magic but can cast ritual spells a good bit faster than other mages? Say, for instance, Tsukino Usagi?

Hmmm...I think you should finishing flushing out your current characters and getting them integrated into the Nanoha-verse before making any more

Originally Posted by Tk3997

And I've got a dozen more... for you.

MACE/Pepper Spray(It burns, it BURNS!!!!)
Beanbag rounds (Not in the face, not in the face!)
Dazzling Lasers (Stop pointing that thing at my eyes! That hurts dammit!)
Pain Rays (High energy plasma bursts in contact with you're skin are never fun...)
Non-Lethal Microwave Rays (horribly painful burning sensations are unpleasant you tend to want to get out of them)
Vomit Cannons… Sorry Electromagnetic Personnel Interdiction Control (Better not eat a big breakfast before you got rioting...)
Sonic Cannons (A tad dubious, but hey when has THATever stopped sci-fi writers?)
Taser (Long range Electrocution for the win!)
Taser Shotgun shells (Like a Taser only in conveniently portable shotgun form!)
Wireless Tasers (or alternatively and much sweeter sounding an Electrolaser either way also like a Taser, only way more awesome!)
Or various sorts of incapacitating Agents. (AKA Knockout Gas, fun for the whole family unless you stop breathing then it's not so fun...)

And lord knows what else they're working on, but one thing is for sure Less-Lethals are a growth industry…

Ah, such a selection of non-lethal weaponry . And some with some rather unpleasant and/or embarrassing results

Originally Posted by PhoenixFlare

I think most of us already know this (those that frequent IRC, in any case), but I'll still announce it:

Spoiler for Small news, really:

Aurion will have a daughter by the end of GuardianS.

Originally Posted by Sheba

You are fcking insulting me and my anime culture.

Last time I checked, the magical girl anime genre wouldn't be half of what it is now without the likes of Magical Emi or Creamy Mami.

And NO I don't have to respect Sailor Moon, Sailor Moon was actually the anime that disgusted me of the mahou shoujo genre and turned me into a shonentard for the ten next years.

*shrugs* To each their own I say. For me, CCS is still one of the greatest mahou shoujo ever made.

Originally Posted by Wild Goose

To be fair, manga Sailormoon wasn't so bad...

Oh, who am I kidding? I only read Sailormoon because it was yuri fodder.

According to the US version, they were cousins.

Originally Posted by Wild Goose

Oh I agree the manga was better. Toei is crap. I mean, c'mon! Compare Toei Air, Toei Kanon and Toei Clannad with the Kyoto Animation equivalents!

Toei sucks ass.

....and yeah saturn's cute, but i like Rei a bit more. Saturn! Mars! How can I choose!

[Kuno]I would have you both![/Kuno]

...Man, I feel old.

I still remember stuff like Samurai Pizza Cats.

...now I feel old.

Originally Posted by PhoenixFlare

What the--? How did you know?!

Maybe Keroko-tan told him?

Originally Posted by ghazghkull

Yeah...unfortunately 4chan's crack has degraded down to true idiocy these days.

...so I heard you liek Mudkip?

*RUNS*

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*slips away to work on a new OC*

[Wibbles]

Alright, then. I'm gonna do something a little different. I'm going to put out a list of plots and ideas, and anyone who wishes to use them may do so. I realize that some may have already been thought of, but I'll put them out anyways. With that, the first list:

-OC video game tournament.
-A new villain, with a focus on magic-resistant mutants.
-Jail's OTHER back-up plan (he had to have had a few more tricks up his lab coat).
-The Book of the Morning Sky (the counterpart to the Book of the Night Sky).
-OC confrontations (specifically, conflicting ideas and personalities.


More to come, if you guys approve.

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by toran

I think you're right. From what I've seen, Fate wears the Black Uniform since she is an Enforcer, The Navy wears blue, ground does wear tan.
To be honest. I don't think there is an air force. I think the aerial mages are assigned to Ground Forces or the Navy. I think Nanoha's Uniform is that of a Combat Instructor, not the air force or we'd have seen her in front of a bunch of mages wearing blue/white instead of just blue in the Epilogue.

You forget that Nanoha is a Tactical Combat Instructor, not an Air Force Instructor. the students she teaches aren't necisarilly part of the Air Force (and neiter does being able to fly automatically put you into the Air Force).

Tiana's brother was in the Air Force as well, and he was wearing the same uniform as Nanoha (coincidentally, he also was an Enforcer).

Originally Posted by Kha

So far in my crack they have disappeared off future plots, so the return of Due in Alpha was a direct contradiction with Rebuilt. For continuity sake, if Uno, Tre and Quattro return (and they most likely will, since I killed them to fix StrikerS' death count), Sunrising might be a must.

Well...

Spoiler for Bad Rebuilt Spoilers:

In Rebuilt, Fate doesn't win the 3 way fight that easily. She's very badly injured and weakened, but continues to try and save the lab. As such, Tre was able to break free from her binds, taking Fate down in a scrum that allowed Jail to make a run for it. Just then Kha and seeing the situation, he instinctively attacks, and with the new magic damage rules, Tre dies. Kha is dumbfounded, notices the falling rock headed for Fate too late. Erio DYNAMIC ENTRANCE!!!

With Jail free, the trio tries to alert the others about the runner.

Acous was already interviewing Uno lots when he got the message, and barely avoids getting ambushed by Jail due to his hounds detecting stealth. However, he was distracted enough for Jail to break Uno free and make a run for the Cradle.

Erio, Kha and Fate stabilize the lab, then comes Acous notifies them about the escape. Kha chases, Fate insists on following. And to protect the wounded Fate, the pair Kor Fuzions and unleashes Teresa the Lightning Angel. They intercept Jail and Uno outside, only for them to do the same thing.

As the epic battle raged all the way up into high stratosphere and even over the Cradle, near its conclusion, Uno disengages from Jail and sacrifices herself for him. Despite magic damage, she dies.

Due to Jail's repeated tencity, the chain of fights doesn't end there, but basically, that was the real epic final boss fight of StrikerS. Not Nanoha VS Vivio.

Meh, I can fix Nanoha VS Vivio myself.

Originally Posted by Kha

You're right, she's just a mechanical base, so while her chipset predisposes the Numbers to the Light, they can choose to turn away like lost sheep. I was worrying too much.

... okay, now you're involving the Light with Sentoukijin? Details!

Originally Posted by Kha

Yeah, I must not forget boku no tomodachi no koto...

No you shouldn't.

[arkhangelsk]

Originally Posted by Keroko

I probably should point out that B-rank Erio, fresh out of basics, with a training device, cut concrete bridge into pieces in a matter of seconds. Even low ranked mages are a lot more powerfull then they apear.

It is a simulated bridge, not a real one. It was also already simulated as badly damaged (look at all the cracks), and is a weakly constructed passenger bridge to begin with (heck, it had broken windows). Speaking roughly, it is somewhere around the power of a single tank round, applied more efficiently (slices instead of a round explosion).

The slice seems to be made of some kind of forceblast / windblast, which means it does better against the relatively weak bridge than it would against armor (remember that you only deform other things with your KE if you are stronger, otherwise, what happens is that you yourself get deformed by your own KE).

StrikerS gave us several examples though. Most prominently in my mind (mostly because I love the battle) is the scene where Zest flees the scene with Agito after knocking down Vita. After Signum notices him, the scene switches to Zest flying into the distance within a second, while taking a turn at that.

And the seconds he spent crawling across the screen just before don't count? We saw him move across the screen for ~6 seconds before disappearing.

But there's also Fate's departure in episode 5,

For Fate, she was small to begin with, and yet when the camera changed to tracking about ~20 frames later, she's still a very large ~10px.

or Tre and Sette butchering the Air Force mages in 16.

Well, you are right from a quick check on this one. It look Tre about 30 frames from when she passed into view of the camera to about 5px wide, so depending on the FOV, a 60-100m/s average speed is possible there.

But she definitely did not "go off screen in a second". 5 px wide is not "off screen" - it is a very rangeable distance.

*shrug* It was only a joke scenario anyway. Magic Damage has always been an inconsitent ellement in Nanoha. Sometimes it damages mages, but not the suroundings, other times it's the reverse.

Oh, you know what my blood is singing. Rationalize, rationalize. It is actually important, because Magical Damage is an important plot element, and it is important to set some theories for it so when you write your scenario (a more serious one), you know how it is.

[Keroko]

Oi ve, Satashi was in a bit of a Cracky mood :

Originally Posted by Satashi

Keroko x Kha!

Spoiler for Lemony!:

Red hair splashed on the bed, followed by strong arms wrapping around the petite stomach of the owner. A small gasp of pleasure mixed with sounds of heavy breathing. Keroko gripped the sheets lightly, heart pounding. Comfortable weight came on Keroko's back, a muscular chest pressing hard against it.

Words whispered huskily into the red head's ear, warmth spreading between them. Kha hugged his lover, softly speaking words that would even melt his cold heart that was lit by the beauty beneath him. Keroko looked at him softly, mouth opening slowly. "I love you, Kha-kun..."

Kha felt more alive then than he ever had before in the past.

"I love you too, Keroko-kun."

[Kha]

Originally Posted by Evangelion Xgouki

CABAL? Here?!

Wrong. LEGION.

Originally Posted by Evangelion Xgouki

KKKKKKKKKKKKKHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAA!!!!!!!

Ooh passive Brainsplatter.

Originally Posted by Evangelion Xgouki

*injects some Essence of Tomino*

*RUNS*

[Marine]Tsssk. Ah... Yeah...[/Marine]

Originally Posted by Evangelion Xgouki

Tsundere? Hmm... *ponders and plots* (see end of post)


*slips away to work on a new OC*

...?!

Originally Posted by Keroko

Meh, I can fix Nanoha VS Vivio myself.

I did change one detail about the fight though. Nanoha must not blast Vivio, or the resulting arcane explosion from the disintegrating Relic will kill her. What to do? Read Rebuilt of StrikerS to find out!

Originally Posted by Keroko

... okay, now you're involving the Light with Sentoukijin? Details!

I referred to the Light in the "morale" sense. Like "Good". The Numbers were predeposed to being "Good".

Originally Posted by Keroko

Oi ve, Satashi was in a bit of a Cracky mood :

[Tk3997]

Originally Posted by Keroko

I probably should point out that B-rank Erio, fresh out of basics, with a training device, cut concrete bridge into pieces in a matter of seconds. Even low ranked mages are a lot more powerfull then they apear.

The forwards are in many ways anomalies the Manga and Show basiclly say as much in that they have enormous potential and that's why they're around. As I recall you yourself noted not long ago that they'd advanced hugely in rank during the series with the older ones apparently gaining three or four ranks in about a year. These kids are clearly not the run of the mil cannon fodder of the TSAB you're likely to encounter on mass...

That said I do rather like them as it shows that if you have much potential at all you can with good training progress quickly in rank, it makes allot of my new OCs who are in there early 20s and mostly ranked A to AA+ seems allot more plausible.

I was more talking about the idea of taking her out from long range. Keroko's specialty is mid/close range multi-targeting. Long-range nukes her weakness.

Then you still ought to be using various sorts of SAMs not shells I've already been over the fact that a SAM is basiclly moving faster then a bullet (Mach 3+ on anything built after 1960) so would be extremely hard to dodge as well.

StrikerS gave us several examples though. Most prominently in my mind (mostly because I love the battle) is the scene where Zest flees the scene with Agito after knocking down Vita. After Signum notices him, the scene switches to Zest flying into the distance within a second, while taking a turn at that. But there's also Fate's departure in episode 5, or Tre and Sette butchering the Air Force mages in 16.

Most of this are ambiguous at best and plus even 300 Km/h is hardly moving slow watch this video for instance compare the low level stuff to what we see in the series, it's awful close to allot of what we see. The Super Puma (the helo in the clip) tops out at around 275 km/h, mages I will grant might have a higher sprint speed when using stuff like flash move.

Small objects also often seem to be moving faster to begin with and distance and angles can hugely skew perception of speed as well. For instance which is faster a 747 at altitude or the Bullet from a .45? The truth is that they're moving at almost exactly the same speed. People are often fair to quick to look at an example and declare it shows some truly ludicrous speed the fact is the human eye and brain combo isn't that great a judge of speed past a a few dozen miles per hour becasue frankly we never needed that capability and many people in general just don appreciate how fast even say 500 miles per hour is.

*shrug* It was only a joke scenario anyway. Magic Damage has always been an inconsitent ellement in Nanoha. Sometimes it damages mages, but not the suroundings, other times it's the reverse.

Yeah... and then it's up to us to try and come up with some vaugely plausible way to explain all this, thanks a fucking ton 7Arcs.

Less hassle with the biological aspect perhaps? Beter interfacing? After all, all we've seen as maintenance is Subaru and Teana lying down on a scanning table or something. Immume system's could be a problem too, and maybe the bodies need to be adjusted because a normal human body simply can't handle the stress the mechanical parts place on the organic parts.

You've probably hit the nail on the head with that last bit... Rather the explain it myself I'll let someone far more knowledge then I do so by-proxy.

Spoiler for Size:

Basically sticking the parts in is only half the battle and adding an artificial arm or something won't give you super strength at least not unless the rest of the body has been modified to handle the additions. As Chrono himself noted what made this stuff new was that it was exceeding or improving rather then merely replacing some function of the human body.

Originally Posted by PhoenixFlare

Short announcement(s), in any case.

Chapter Seven is reaching its 50% mark (give or take some fraction), three scenes left to completion (though the last will be quite a pain to write - battle scenes ), and hopefully will be posted in two weeks' time.

Nice, Nice.

Other than that, Aaron and I have agreed on a collaborative writing to integrate GenerationS (MC077) and GuardianS (MC081), therefore minor edits are on the way for GuardianS to accommodate the changes (so far, only Chapter Four, which will be announced after the edit).

He mentioned that in IRC it's also worth noting that my own fic takes place in the Generations time line as well, but I don't think I really have anything planned that would effect yours.

A number of additional OCs shall be ported in a tentative setting, namely Keroko's ... Keroko (I'll discuss this with you later ), Lowe's Mai Enna, Kha's Kha the Kleriker (non-Khrack version ), and a number of TK's (which is currently undecided; I'm interested in using Felix, Alan, and Cipher, though Cipher's profile is still not up [at least, in the links :3];

Yeah I need to get my ass in gear with Cipher, that said I basiclly envisioned him as rather nanoha'ish allot of beam spam and overwhelming firepower... though maybe a bit more into manuvering then she seems to be. (Nanoha seems to have a bad habit of just standing still to spam...) But yeah I need to get off my ass on this I've also had Felix use a spell in my fic now that isn't in his list so I need to update that too.

O'Neill is suffering from a severe bout of diarrhea and is unable to join [Just kidding! *runs in terror from an enraged TK*]).

It's his own damn fault for eating at all those trashy Mexican dives and then even worse leaving the left overs in the fridge to eat like a week later, frankly it's a wonder he isn't dead from food poisoning by now. Though this also reminds of a song...

Spoiler for WARNING FOUL LANGUAGE AHEAD!:

I think most of us already know this (those that frequent IRC, in any case), but I'll still announce it:

More or less.

Originally Posted by PhoenixFlare

What the--? How did you know?!

Keroko has spies everywhere it seems... or he's full of crap one or the other.

A second point of information . Considering that Mid-childa is almost a parallel to Earth in many aspects (barring sophisticated technology and magic), would it be reasonable to actually incorporate some similar history to Mid-childa, such as its early progression (Paleolithic to the Bronze Age, the Middle Ages, etc.)? I have some use of this issue, since it's part of the explanation Yuuno is supposed to give during their meeting.

Technology is a progressive thing that builds upon what came before barring outside interference (aliens, ancient super tech, etc) it ought to follow a fairly logical upward progression though the details will vary.

[Comartemis]

Did I miss something, or are we making C&C references now?

Spoiler for Dancing Kane!:

[Jimmy C]

Originally Posted by Keroko

I'd still like to point out that canon suggests that magic and conventional weaponry fought side by side.

When was this shown, in ep14? I'd like to watch it again to refine my speculations. But if it's about the use of Lost Logia in the War, I don't think that counts in this case. Those artifacts exist outside the two magic styles. Their use wouldn't have any connection to the spread of those styles at the time of the War.

Originally Posted by kha

I might develop something from this, but no ideas at the moment, since I structured Kia to be related to the Cinque-gen.

Kha, I'd like to know more about what you envision Kia to be at present. I have a suspicion you're getting close to violating canon regarding Type-0s, so I'd like to be sure.
For one thing, since Ginga was called Type-0 First, that means there shouldn't have been more than one Type-0 before her (Unit Zero). That could have been the one Quint stopped when she busted that lab. Any other Type-0s after Ginga are probably younger than her.

Originally Posted by TK3997

Technology is a progressive thing that builds upon what came before barring outside interference, it ought to follow a fairly logical upward progression though the details will vary.

Not always. Sometimes, accidental discoveries allow them to advance by leaps and bounds. X-rays and antibiotics come to mind. Other examples include guncotton, vulcanizing rubber and bakelite (I think). In the real world, scientific discoveries aren't laid out in a nice tech tree like in a computer game.

[Tk3997]

Originally Posted by Jimmy C

Not always. Sometimes, accidental discoveries allow them to advance by leaps and bounds. X-rays and antibiotics come to mind. Other examples include guncotton, vulcanizing rubber and bakelite (I think). In the real world, scientific discoveries aren't laid out in a nice tech tree like in a computer game.

None of those are leaps of any kind really (and such leaps are nearly a myth to begin with) these are the minor variations I spoke of antibiotics or the like might be found 20 years earlier or ten later, but they’d have been found and entered mass use around the same tech level they did in our world. The reason is that the discovery was the easy part it took a raft of other technologies to make mass production possible so even if you noted the antibiotic properties of some mold in say 1500 you couldn’t really do anything with it as you’d have none of the tech needed to refine or use it on a mass scale and it would probably be quickly forgotten.

X-Ray where something worked on by a raft of brilliant physicists and developed over decades of work based upon earlier theory and at first they weren't even that extraordinary. In fact from the first crude experiments to produce X-rays in 1785 it was nearly a century before they where really understood and found any widespread use. Quantum Leap my ass.

Vulcanizing rubber is nothing either it was nothing more then an improved refining process for a know material. This new process indeed had vast applications, but the fact was it was still found not by some random fluke but by research and observation and application of other know science. It’s absurd to think that people working with something like rubber wouldn’t research ways to improve it and expand there market, but it's just as absurd to think that the first thing someone will do with a sticky mass of crap from a tree it light it on fire and pump sulfur into it… Again it might happen a few decades sooner or later, but again that’s a minor variance. The fact was that at that time there was an increasing need for a substance like Vulcanized rubber (in other areas that had nothing to do with rubber itself) and lots of people where researching ways to produce something like it and the same ought to hold true no matter where you go.

NOTHING in technology happens in a vacuum and various discoveries in one field fuel research in others or make things more practical, but the fact is that so called “quantum leaps” basiclly never happen because you can’t have a “leap” without the infrastructure to back it and if you have that it means that pretty soon someone is going to figure it out. I’ve used the example before, but even if you sent back a team of trained engineers to say ancient Greece Aristotle wouldn’t be driving around in a pick up in 10 years or something. In fact all of them would likely be dead and buried before an applicable effect could be noted.

Eureka moments are wonderful idea, but the fact is they basiclly never happen and any you come across almost always tend to rely on what came before with one guy just piecing things together. Further most of the time a bunch of guys come up with nearly the same thing around the same time as the overall tech level reaches a level that makes it feasible. (See god only knows how many patent disputes) You’re right on one count technology isn’t a tree, it’s more like a web in order for that web to grow though all portions of it must advance at roughly the same rate one arm of it can’t suddenly tipple in length for instance, but as it grows some branches of it might lag or lead by a small amount, but overall the progression will be fairly steady.

Now if all these variances ended up being postive it might add up in time to producing say a civilization on our current level maybe a hundred years sooner or something (or they could lag behind), but you'll never see someone shot out the stone age into the modern in say a hundred years or something without a ton of help.

[Evangelion Xgouki]

Originally Posted by Keroko

Oi ve, Satashi was in a bit of a Cracky mood

And there's more to come

Originally Posted by Kha

Wrong. LEGION.

*runs to the Blue Zones*

Originally Posted by Kha

Ooh passive Brainsplatter.

...can someone help me scrape my brain mass off the walls?

Originally Posted by Kha

[Marine]Tsssk. Ah... Yeah...[/Marine]

[Essence of Tomino]

Use: Increases target's chance of making a character death by 65% and increases target's chance of making multiple character deaths by 80%.

Kill 'em all Tomino.

Originally Posted by Kha

...?!

ooo...my first brainsplatter

Originally Posted by Comartemis

Did I miss something, or are we making C&C references now?

Spoiler for Dancing Kane!:

We've been doing this for quite some time since the Messiah has called us to his side yet again .

...and I still need to order myself a Kane bobblehead...

[AdmiralTigerclaw]

Originally Posted by Keroko

I probably should point out that B-rank Erio, fresh out of basics, with a training device, cut concrete bridge into pieces in a matter of seconds. Even low ranked mages are a lot more powerfull then they apear.

I probably should point out that 'concrete bridge' is made of concrete, not high density Chobham Armor with Depleted Uranium reinforcing.

I should also point out that Z ranked random US Soldier fresh from BCT could pick up an AT4, and demolish the bridge in the same amount of time. They must be alot tougher than they appear.

I should point thirdly that Erio is more powerful than his official rank and quickly shoots up the power chain along with the rest of the group. Thussly, a bad example.

How about feats of power from the unnamed random redshirt mages we see instead of the Hero Units. By the very nature of the story, the Hero Units are tougher.


EDIT: TK beat me to point three...

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by arkhangelsk

It is a simulated bridge, not a real one. It was also already simulated as badly damaged (look at all the cracks), and is a weakly constructed passenger bridge to begin with (heck, it had broken windows). Speaking roughly, it is somewhere around the power of a single tank round, applied more efficiently (slices instead of a round explosion).

The slice seems to be made of some kind of forceblast / windblast, which means it does better against the relatively weak bridge than it would against armor (remember that you only deform other things with your KE if you are stronger, otherwise, what happens is that you yourself get deformed by your own KE).

The simulated bit doesn't go up. Since its a simulation, the enviroment is going to be as accurate as possible.

What Erio was using was 'cutting magic' particularely of the lightning branch (the screenshot of Erio cutting the bridge is used in the Mana Converson card after all).

Also, the bridge hardly has any cracks. A few dents and broken glass on the side is all the damage I can see. The main body seems pretty much intact.

Originally Posted by arkhangelsk

And the seconds he spent crawling across the screen just before don't count? We saw him move across the screen for ~6 seconds before disappearing.

That was because we were 'following' him with our eyes. You notice the clouds moving underneath him, right? The 'camera' is following his movements, giving it the illusion as if he is flying slower.

Originally Posted by arkhangelsk

For Fate, she was small to begin with, and yet when the camera changed to tracking about ~20 frames later, she's still a very large ~10px.

But at the speed she was going, she would've vanished in no-time.

Originally Posted by arkhangelsk

Well, you are right from a quick check on this one. It look Tre about 30 frames from when she passed into view of the camera to about 5px wide, so depending on the FOV, a 60-100m/s average speed is possible there.

But she definitely did not "go off screen in a second". 5 px wide is not "off screen" - it is a very rangeable distance.

Huh, 5 pixels? On my screen both she and Sette disapear:

Originally Posted by arkhangelsk

Oh, you know what my blood is singing. Rationalize, rationalize. It is actually important, because Magical Damage is an important plot element, and it is important to set some theories for it so when you write your scenario (a more serious one), you know how it is.

When I make serious scenarios I tend to use a 'rubber bullet' aproach, or avoid complications with magic damage altogether by not having any objects in the way.

Originally Posted by Kha

I did change one detail about the fight though. Nanoha must not blast Vivio, or the resulting arcane explosion from the disintegrating Relic will kill her. What to do? Read Rebuilt of StrikerS to find out!

I know! I want to read! Gimme stuff already!

Originally Posted by Kha

I referred to the Light in the "morale" sense. Like "Good". The Numbers were predeposed to being "Good".

Ah. Fwew.

Originally Posted by Tk3997

The forwards are in many ways anomalies the Manga and Show basiclly say as much in that they have enormous potential and that's why they're around. As I recall you yourself noted not long ago that they'd advanced hugely in rank during the series with the older ones apparently gaining three or four ranks in about a year. These kids are clearly not the run of the mil cannon fodder of the TSAB you're likely to encounter on mass...

Well that's true, but at that time Erio was a B-rank mage, fresh out of basic and with a training device. This last one especially is important.

Originally Posted by Tk3997

That said I do rather like them as it shows that if you have much potential at all you can with good training progress quickly in rank, it makes allot of my new OCs who are in there early 20s and mostly ranked A to AA+ seems allot more plausible.

That's pretty much the base of being a Striker, isn't it?

Originally Posted by Tk3997

Most of this are ambiguous at best and plus even 300 Km/h is hardly moving slow watch this video for instance compare the low level stuff to what we see in the series, it's awful close to allot of what we see. The Super Puma (the helo in the clip) tops out at around 275 km/h, mages I will grant might have a higher sprint speed when using stuff like flash move.

Small objects also often seem to be moving faster to begin with and distance and angles can hugely skew perception of speed as well. For instance which is faster a 747 at altitude or the Bullet from a .45? The truth is that they're moving at almost exactly the same speed. People are often fair to quick to look at an example and declare it shows some truly ludicrous speed the fact is the human eye and brain combo isn't that great a judge of speed past a a few dozen miles per hour becasue frankly we never needed that capability and many people in general just don appreciate how fast even say 500 miles per hour is.

Any form of stadia ranging in animation is ambigous at best. Doesn't seem to stop anyone willing to use them to prove the weakness of magic, now does it? I'm going to use it to prove its strength.

My point was using this information to draw away from the 'you know... mages kinda suck' opinion that SoD seems to create, and put the 'awesome' back in Nanoha. Mages were noted to be terribly slow before only because they used a heli, and I intend to crush this myth.

Originally Posted by Tk3997

You've probably hit the nail on the head with that last bit... Rather the explain it myself I'll let someone far more knowledge then I do so by-proxy.

Spoiler for Size:

Basically sticking the parts in is only half the battle and adding an artificial arm or something won't give you super strength at least not unless the rest of the body has been modified to handle the additions. As Chrono himself noted what made this stuff new was that it was exceeding or improving rather then merely replacing some function of the human body.

That explains it rather well. Chrono's points make a ton more sense with that comic backing it.

Originally Posted by Tk3997

Keroko has spies everywhere it seems... or he's full of crap one or the other.

Logical deduction really. I've been watching too much Detective Conan lately.

Originally Posted by Comartemis

Did I miss something, or are we making C&C references now?

Spoiler for Dancing Kane!:

We've been making C&C references since forever. *Jerks a thumb at Keroko's Ion Cannon Breaker*

Originally Posted by Jimmy C

When was this shown, in ep14? I'd like to watch it again to refine my speculations. But if it's about the use of Lost Logia in the War, I don't think that counts in this case. Those artifacts exist outside the two magic styles. Their use wouldn't have any connection to the spread of those styles at the time of the War.

Belka used Relics to increase their magical abillities, the Cradle disapeared near the end of the war -and needed magic to activate too- the Royal Bloodline's main abillity was a magical one too. Most Lost Logia seem to need some form of magic to activate them.

Originally Posted by Jimmy C

For one thing, since Ginga was called Type-0 First, that means there shouldn't have been more than one Type-0 before her (Unit Zero). That could have been the one Quint stopped when she busted that lab. Any other Type-0s after Ginga are probably younger than her.

Not necissarely, what Cinque meant was that the Type-0 was the first Sentoukijin type to be produced. Ginga herself was not the first. We know that Ginga was not the first Type-0 to be produced, as Quint was said to have stopped 'several' that had gone berserk.

[Sheba]

Logical deduction really. I've been watching too much Detective Conan lately.

Are you going to be the prosecutor in a Phoenix Wright parody?

[Jimmy C]

Originally Posted by Keroko

Mages were noted to be terribly slow before only because they used a heli, and I intend to crush this myth.

It could be for reasons other than speed. They might prefer to save their strength for combat when they get there, instead of bleeding it to get there fast. If you're talking about ep4-5, the Forwards can't fly, remember? Nanoha probably figured there's no point in zipping ahead too early.

Belka used Relics to increase their magical abillities, the Cradle disapeared near the end of the war

Good point. Why do I keep forgetting those? I wonder what was Mid's answer to those things. And what happened to them?

Not necissarely, what Cinque meant was that the Type-0 was the first Sentoukijin type to be produced.

I think she more likely meant Ginga was one of the first Type-0s produced.

[Comartemis]

If you're talking about ep4-5, the Forwards can't fly, remember?

Isn't that true of the ground forces in general? 'Cause if it is, I would expect the ground pounders to use helicopters extensively to make up for a lack of flight magic. Flight-capable mages like Nanoha and the Aces would have very little--if any--use for a chopper.