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**Solace** · 2010-04-23, 16:10

I'm creating this thread to funnel all of the recent discussion over the troubles over raw providers and reading sites into one place.

As some of you may be aware, there have been two major issues recently that have affected major internet raw providing sites and manga reading sites. I'll explain briefly for those who do not understand what is going on.

First, major Japanese publishers have decided to take a firmer stance against raw providers of manga. This is largely because the manga market has been declining in Japan, and part of the blame is the increased amount of scans available on the internet. This is has led to people being able to read scans before the actual publication hits the streets, which in turn means there's less motivation to actually buy the manga once it's available. While this issue is primarily targeted at Japanese consumers it also affects licensed titles in other countries.

What this means is that major raw providing sites have been dropping releases or shutting down completely. It doesn't mean that scans won't continue to be available, but it will make them more difficult to come by and readers outside of Japan will have longer waits for raws and translations.

The second major issue is that Google and their partners have decided to threaten manga reading sites with removal of their advertising (which keeps those sites up since they use a ton of bandwidth) due to their stance on "questionable" content such as lolicon and yaoi manga. This has led to some sites removing most of, if not all of, their mature manga.

While these issues will affect the ease of being able to view manga, those outside of Japan will still be able to find such content if they dig around a little bit.

However, what this means for our forum is that the moderators will have to be tougher on links to content. So I'm establishing two rules that will affect everyone here.

1. You are not allowed to post links to any raws, translations, or scans of licensed manga or novels, or any site that contains such content, PERIOD. I don't care that your favorite site shut down or removed content and now you have to look somewhere else. That somewhere else is not here. We will remove any such links and users will be warned/infracted.

2. Keep discussion of this topic in this thread only. Any further attempts of derailing any other thread on the forums with this discussion will result in deleting of posts. Keep the manga/novel threads focused on discussing the story, not where or when you'll get the next chapter or to whine about how you can't find your fix.

.

With that said, this thread will be stickied and open for discussion. Keep it civil and don't post just to whine or there will be consequences.

Homura7 · 2010-04-23, 16:20

So if the manga gets licensed we are not allowed to post related raws or scans anymore, is that right?

frubam · 2010-04-23, 16:22

Even in the case that we may use a page as part of the discussion or comparison to something else, are we still not allowed to post it,?

**Solace** · 2010-04-23, 16:31

Both of these questions are answered in the Guideline sticky but for discussions sake -

Quote:

Originally Posted by _kurusu_

So if the manga gets licensed we are not allowed to post related raws or scans anymore, is that right?

Correct. However, we are not aware of any raw or scan site that lists only unlicensed content (we consider licensed to mean for distribution in the US), so links to such sites are not allowed regardless of the status of the title being linked.

Quote:

Originally Posted by frubam

Even in the case that we may use a page as part of the discussion or comparison to something else, are we still not allowed to post it,?

You are entitled to link a page or panel as part of discussion (since it is fair use), as long as it is first uploaded to a site such as Photobucket or Imageshack. We do not allow hotlinking from sites that host licensed content. This means hotlinking from a manga reading or raw site is not allowed.

If such links are posted please report them so a moderator can deal with it accordingly.

Lummie · 2010-04-23, 16:34

Heiji-sama said that Kodansha is planning on targeting Mangafox.
Shueisha is planning to do something big in the summer against piracy.
Google adsense forced sites such as Mangafox to take down their mature manga with content like Yaoi, because it goes against the policy set by google.
Mangahelpers took measures like banning japanese visitors and stop hosting Shueisha's content.

So yeah, we can expect some good times...

z3phyr.mp3 · 2010-04-24, 09:53

Here's a good article regarding the whole raw manga crack down that's been going on by Sankaku Complex(NSFW)...

Here's a quote from the article..

Quote:

Some consider the real reason for Shueisha’s anger at illegal scans to be quite different to what the publisher would have fans believe – one journalist claims that the real fear of publishers is actually digital distribution as a whole, and the disruption it threatens to the manga industry’s traditional control over mangaka.

He points out that the main earner for mangaka is not serialised magazine sales but sales of the compiled volumes, or tankobon, much as it is sales of the DVD over TV broadcasts in the world of anime.

With illegal uploads sales are indeed impacted, so some mangaka have responded by simply publishing the serialisation on their homepage and relying on tankobon sales – a growing proportion are said to not to care if the serialisation takes place online, as ultimately it serves only as an advertisement for the tankobon.

**Solace** · 2010-04-27, 14:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lummie

So yeah, we can expect some good times...

It appears that another manga reading site just got threatened as well. Guess they got too popular for their own good?

Lummie · 2010-04-27, 14:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solace

It appears that another manga reading site just got threatened as well. Guess they got too popular for their own good?

Indeed, Onemanga apparently has suspended a lot of their own manga for the time being. Here's from OM a list of manga who fell victim (there are some old ones that got removed due to license issues but it gives a good overview) from Onemanga:

Spoiler for Long list:

Quote:

1. 3x3 eyes
2. Addicted to curry
3. Ai Kora
4. AIKI
5. Air Gear
6. Akuma De Sourou
7. Alive!
8. Anatolia story – aka Red river
9. Asu no Yoichi
10. Ayashi no Ceres
11. Ayu Mayu
12. Baka and Boing
13. Baki son of ogre
14. Basilisk
15. *******!!
16. Beach Stars
17. Beauty
18. Beserk
19. Billion girl
20. Bitter virgin
21. Black bird
22. Black god
23. Black jack Ni Yorishiku
24. Bloody Monday
25. Boku ni Natta Watashi
26. Boku no hatsukoi wo kimi ni sasugu
27. Bride of the water god, The
28. Burning hell
29. Cage of eden
30. Cain Saga
31. Change 123
32. Chaosic Rune
33. Cross over
34. D-ASH
35. Dance in the Vampire Bund
36. Dead man wonderland
37. Dear school gang leader
38. Desire climax
39. Detroit metal City
40. Devil man
41. Dogs
42. Domina no do
43. Dragon ball
44. Dragon quest Dai no Daiboken
45. Drifters
46. Elfen Lied
47. Emma
48. Fire candy
49. First girl
50. Fist if the north star
51. Franken Fran
52. Freezing
53. Full metal Panic
54. Fushigi Yuugi Genbu Kaiden
55. Gacha Gacha- secret
56. Gantz
57. Gekka no kimi
58. Giant Robo- the day the Earth burned
59. Girls Saurus
60. Girls Saurus DX
61. Go! Tenba cheerleaders
62. GODEATH – Megamino Ketsumyaku
63. Gon
64. Gyo
65. Hapi Mari
66. Happy World
67. Hellsing
68. High School of the dead
69. Historie
70. Hohzuki Island- aka Hoozuki no shima
71. Hoshigari love dollar
72. Hot milk
73. Ikigami
74. Inuyasha
75. It’s not like that, darling
76. Itazura na kiss
77. Jackals
78. Jiraishin
79. Jisatsu circle
80. Kaikan Phrase- aka sensual phrase
81. Kamen no maid guy
82. Kamikaze Kaitou Jeanne
83. Kindan no koi de ikou
84. Kidan no koi wo shiyou
85. Knights
86. Kodomo no Jikan
87. Koi kaze
88. Kure-nai
89. Kurobara Alice
90. Kurozuka
91. Kyou koi hajimemasu
92. Kyoukai no rinne
93. Land of the blindfolded- aka mekakushi no kuni
94. Laon
95. Little house with an orange roof
96. Love celeb
97. Love monster
98. Love strip
99. Mai-hiME
100. Majin devil
101. Manhole
102. Marugoto Anjyu Gakuen
103. Mel Kano
104. Mercenary Pierre
105. Midnight secretary
106. Midori days- aka Midori no hibi
107. Moe kare
108. MPD psycho
109. Nana
110. Neon Genesis Evangelion
111. New Grappler baki
112. No bra
113. NOiSE
114. Omamori Himari
115. Onihime VS
116. Oniichan Control
117. Otaku no Musume-san
118. Otoyomegatari
119. Paradise kiss
120. Penguin revolution
121. Princess resurrection
122. Real fake princess
123. Ren-ai Shijou shugi
124. Ressentiment
125. Retuners- aka no kikansha
126. Riki-oh
127. Saikano
128. Say I love you- aka suki-tte Ii na yo
129. Seikon no Qwaser
130. Sekirei
131. Shadow skill
132. Shin mazinger zero
133. Shina dark
134. Sidooh
135. Skyhigh
136. Stroke material
137. Sun-ken rock
138. Suzuka
139. Switch
140. Team medical dragon
141. Tenjou tenge
142. Tetsuwan girl
143. Togari
144. Tokyo crazy paradise
145. Trigun
146. Trigun maximum
147. Tsukihime
148. Ubel Blatt
149. Umi no Misaki
150. Urusei yatsura
151. Uwasa No midori-kun
152. Vagabond
153. Variante
154. Venus Capriccio
155. Video girl ai
156. Vinland saga
157. Wolf guy- wolfen crest
158. World embryo
159. World is mine, the
160. Xblade
161. Yakuza girl
162. Yoru made matenai
163. Yume de Aetara
164. Zero
165. Zero- circle of flow
166. Zero one
167. Zetman
168. Zoku kidan no koi wo shoiyou

konart · 2010-04-27, 14:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lummie

Indeed, Onemanga apparently has suspended a lot of their own manga for the time being. Here's from OM a list of manga who fell victim (there are some old ones that got removed due to license issues but it gives a good overview) from Onemanga:

As for OM it's not the case, for example Gantz has been removed looong time ago due to its content.

Lummie · 2010-04-27, 14:42

^ That's why i mentioned that there are some old ones in the list but it's removed anyway from OM, so why not include it in the list.

**Solace** · 2010-04-27, 14:42

Sheesh, reading that list is like reading the index of this forum.

konart · 2010-04-27, 14:48

Why not buy hosting somewhere in China\Russia and send to "smap" all the threatening mail?

**Solace** · 2010-04-27, 15:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by konart

Why not buy hosting somewhere in China\Russia and send to "smap" all the threatening mail?

It still comes down to money. Hosting streaming and/or large amounts of large quality images that people constantly download is very bandwidth intensive and expensive. You have to pay for it somehow.

konart · 2010-04-27, 16:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solace

It still comes down to money. Hosting streaming and/or large amounts of large quality images that people constantly download is very bandwidth intensive and expensive. You have to pay for it somehow.

Well here in Russia bandwidth is usually not a problem - if you have upload 4 times larger than download - you do not pay for it. They only problem I see here - amounts of scans

tsk... I'm ready to pay for damn raws at this point, if manga publishers will have them available via their sites worldwide

Krono · 2010-04-27, 17:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solace

Sheesh, reading that list is like reading the index of this forum.

It seems that they aren't permanently removing all of those. Rather they took down everything in their mature category, and scattering of other stuff they had tagged as being ecchi, until they could actually look at it and sort things out.

Lummie · 2010-04-28, 02:34

Mangastream received a C&D from Viz thanks to their Iphone App:

Here's a quote:

Quote:

Many of you already noticed that our new iPhone app disappeared last Friday. Gratisites (our app's developer) and Apple received requests from VIZ Media, LLC to remove their titles from our application.

Since we scanlate 12 series, and 9 of them are VIZ Media properties, we decided to just take down the entire application from distribution.

They have also requested that their titles be removed from the MangaStream Android application, which will be done at the API level on Thursday April 29th.

It's unfortunate, but we understand and respect VIZ Media's position.

I hope we won't get bad results thanks to Viz noticing them and their releases.

konart · 2010-04-28, 04:23

Same goes for OM:

Quote:

Notice: Because Del Rey has requested that we remove Air Gear from our site, all chapters have been removed until further notice. We're trying to see if we can put it back up, but for now no Air Gear >__<".

Quote:

Notice: Because Viz has requested that we remove Claymore from our site, all chapters have been removed until further notice. We're trying to see if we can put it back up, but for now no Claymore >__<".

etc.

Krono · 2010-04-28, 10:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by konart

Same goes for OM:

etc.

I'm pretty sure those particular ones are just OM using the system they have in place to suspend a series for their "Check and see if it has content that Google objects to." suspensions.

Lummie · 2010-04-28, 12:07

This is starting to get worser

Apparently right now there's a heavy discussion in Japan between Mangaka and the goverment about a recently proposed law. With this law, the goverment intends to ban all sexual behaviors of fictional characters who look below 18.

Quote:

"Any character that regardless of actual age has an appearance of being under 18, and has a possibility of causing youths to lust for or possibility of bringing this fantasy to real life, will have to be censored" source: Japanator

The consequences? Many shounen has fanservices from under 18 years old characters like for example HSDK and Negima etc who will fall under this law. Shounen and even Shoujo (Seinen is safe) would not be able to escape and therefore a there's a lot of protesting by famous Mangaka.

http://www.asahi.com/national/update...003150446.html

Some of the Mangaka who are opposing this law:

Quote:

Akamatsu Ken (Love Hina, Negima)
Chiba Tetsuya (Ashita no Joe )
Fujiko Fujio A (Ninja Hattori-kun)
Takao Saitō (Golgo 13)
Gosho Aoyama (Detective Conan, YAIBA)
Rumiko Takahashi (Ranma ½)
Mitsuru Adachi (Touch)
Moto Hagio (They Were Eleven)
Machiko Satonaka (Constellation of the Hunter)
Ryōhei Saigan (Kamakura Monogatari)
Tooru Fujisawa (GTO)
Ken Akamatsu (Love Hina)
Kaworu Watashiya (Kodomo no Jikan)

I don't care about Yaoi or shouta but this is pretty bad for the manga industry who will end up with huge losses if this law is approved.

straferd · 2010-04-28, 12:49

The only mature manga I read is Ikkitousen, and thankfully there are sites that still provide the scans:

"... is a fan run site and we will not allow our advertisers to dictate to us how to they want our site to be run. If an advertiser does not like how we are running the site, we will simply find a new advertiser."

2010-04-23, 16:10	Link #1
Solace (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006	Raw Providers and Reading Sites Issues I'm creating this thread to funnel all of the recent discussion over the troubles over raw providers and reading sites into one place. As some of you may be aware, there have been two major issues recently that have affected major internet raw providing sites and manga reading sites. I'll explain briefly for those who do not understand what is going on. First, major Japanese publishers have decided to take a firmer stance against raw providers of manga. This is largely because the manga market has been declining in Japan, and part of the blame is the increased amount of scans available on the internet. This is has led to people being able to read scans before the actual publication hits the streets, which in turn means there's less motivation to actually buy the manga once it's available. While this issue is primarily targeted at Japanese consumers it also affects licensed titles in other countries. What this means is that major raw providing sites have been dropping releases or shutting down completely. It doesn't mean that scans won't continue to be available, but it will make them more difficult to come by and readers outside of Japan will have longer waits for raws and translations. The second major issue is that Google and their partners have decided to threaten manga reading sites with removal of their advertising (which keeps those sites up since they use a ton of bandwidth) due to their stance on "questionable" content such as lolicon and yaoi manga. This has led to some sites removing most of, if not all of, their mature manga. While these issues will affect the ease of being able to view manga, those outside of Japan will still be able to find such content if they dig around a little bit. However, what this means for our forum is that the moderators will have to be tougher on links to content. So I'm establishing two rules that will affect everyone here. 1. You are not allowed to post links to any raws, translations, or scans of licensed manga or novels, or any site that contains such content, PERIOD. I don't care that your favorite site shut down or removed content and now you have to look somewhere else. That somewhere else is not here. We will remove any such links and users will be warned/infracted. 2. Keep discussion of this topic in this thread only. Any further attempts of derailing any other thread on the forums with this discussion will result in deleting of posts. Keep the manga/novel threads focused on discussing the story, not where or when you'll get the next chapter or to whine about how you can't find your fix. . With that said, this thread will be stickied and open for discussion. Keep it civil and don't post just to whine or there will be consequences. __________________

2010-04-23, 16:34	Link #5
Lummie Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009	Heiji-sama said that Kodansha is planning on targeting Mangafox. Shueisha is planning to do something big in the summer against piracy. Google adsense forced sites such as Mangafox to take down their mature manga with content like Yaoi, because it goes against the policy set by google. Mangahelpers took measures like banning japanese visitors and stop hosting Shueisha's content. So yeah, we can expect some good times...

2010-04-27, 14:42	Link #11
Solace (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006	Sheesh, reading that list is like reading the index of this forum. __________________

2010-04-27, 14:48	Link #12
konart Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Moscow, RU Age: 35	Why not buy hosting somewhere in China\Russia and send to "smap" all the threatening mail? __________________

2010-04-23, 16:20	Link #2
Homura7 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009	So if the manga gets licensed we are not allowed to post related raws or scans anymore, is that right?

2010-04-23, 16:22	Link #3
frubam simp for Lyria Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: on the Grandcypher Age: 40	Even in the case that we may use a page as part of the discussion or comparison to something else, are we still not allowed to post it,?

2010-04-27, 14:42	Link #10
Lummie Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009	^ That's why i mentioned that there are some old ones in the list but it's removed anyway from OM, so why not include it in the list.

2010-04-28, 12:49	Link #20
straferd Toushi Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Europe	The only mature manga I read is Ikkitousen, and thankfully there are sites that still provide the scans: "... is a fan run site and we will not allow our advertisers to dictate to us how to they want our site to be run. If an advertiser does not like how we are running the site, we will simply find a new advertiser."