(L) Date A Live [Light Novel]

[ReaperxKingx]

I wonder what happened in volume 4, just found this Light Novel interesting. Got introduce to it, by a eccentric friend of mine and watch all the anime episodes thus far.

Before you ask, spoilers don't hamper me in reading instead it increases my incentive to read the Light Novel.

[iamadooddood]

Originally Posted by ReaperxKingx

I wonder what happened in volume 4, just found this Light Novel interesting. Got introduce to it, by a eccentric friend of mine and watch all the anime episodes thus far.

Before you ask, spoilers don't hamper me in reading instead it increases my incentive to read the Light Novel.

So you're like me, huh? ^_^

Right... (actually do I even need the spoiler tag? Never mind.)

Spoiler:

Kotori, having taken her Spirit power back from Shido effortlessly defeats Kurumi and is about to kill her when Shido gets in between them. Kotori shifted her aim in time. Shido faints from the blast, Kurumi escapes. Then in the aftermath of the battle, Kotori, finding it harder and harder to control her bloodthirsty Efreet personality even with drugs supplied by Reine, needs her powers to be resealed, and thus Shido has to date her to improve her affection levels. (Preparation for the date involves some romcom moments, like Shido visiting Origami in the hospital, and a competition where whoever can make Shido's heart beat the fastest while they choose a swimsuit for him to buy them wins a date with him. Tohka and Origami compete against each other but both lose to Yoshino. Date covered in side story Yoshino Fireworks.) However her affection towards him doesn't change at all throughout the date... reason revealed later on.

Meanwhile, Origami who has come to the conclusion that Kotori was the one who killed her parents 5 years ago decides to steal AST equipment (White Licorice? Lycoris?) and kill her. As the date ends and Shido is about to kiss Kotori to seal her powers, Origami appears and attacks the latter. Tohka and Yoshino who were fooling around nearby earlier during the date come to stall Origami while Shido brings Kotori somewhere safe to seal her powers.

Other than her powers, he also regains memories of what happened 5 years ago: Kotori crying because she thought everyone forgot her 9th birthday, Phantom coming and giving her Efreet powers, then the powers go out of control and cause fires, then Shido risks his life to get to her, kisses her (as per Phantom's instructions), then Kotori goes back to normal. Shido gives her a pair of black ribbons as her birthday present, telling her to be strong as long as she wears them (that explains a lot about her current personality now!). After which Phantom strips him of his memories. End of flashback.

From the memories he regained, Shido realises that Kotori couldn't have killed Origami's parents, and that it was another Spirit's doing. After that he showcases to Origami the powers he just sealed, telling her to kill him if that's what satisfies her, since she thinks that whoever has Efreet's powers is the one who killed her parents. She doesn't, and is picked up by other AST members who got wind of her stealing the equipment.

In the epilogue, Kurumi is slowly gathering power to defeat Efreet!Kotori. She's no longer killing people like before, just weakening them. And her reason for gathering lifespan is revealed: Phantom told her to kill the first Spirit who caused the spacequake 30 years ago, hence she has to gather enough to 1) go back 30 years using 12th Bullet: Yod Bet, and 2) actually do the deed. Meanwhile, Kotori is recovering mentally (physically not much problem) from what happened earlier. Reine told Shido that actually there was no need for a date with Kotori for him to seal her powers because her affection level for him was at the max all along (good job Reine... not). Shido tells Kotori he loves her as a younger sister. Cue tsun reaction from Kotori.

As for who Phantom is, it's some mysterious entity. Seriously.

Did I miss anything plot-important? :P

[Algester]

Originally Posted by iamadooddood

Kotori's Angel, Camael, is a halberd (which can change into a cannon). Having just her healing powers alone is not enough to convince me that he's summoned her Angel.

I do think it was later stated that his abilities will grow depending on the "closeness" of the relationship after the capture, and there the wish part... which brings to a question can he also access the evil sides of each power? and will it affect his personality as we have seen with Tohka

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Originally Posted by iamadooddood

So you're like me, huh? ^_^

Right... (actually do I even need the spoiler tag? Never mind.)

Spoiler:

Kotori, having taken her Spirit power back from Shido effortlessly defeats Kurumi and is about to kill her when Shido gets in between them. Kotori shifted her aim in time. Shido faints from the blast, Kurumi escapes. Then in the aftermath of the battle, Kotori, finding it harder and harder to control her bloodthirsty Efreet personality even with drugs supplied by Reine, needs her powers to be resealed, and thus Shido has to date her to improve her affection levels. (Preparation for the date involves some romcom moments, like Shido visiting Origami in the hospital, and a competition where whoever can make Shido's heart beat the fastest while they choose a swimsuit for him to buy them wins a date with him. Tohka and Origami compete against each other but both lose to Yoshino. Date covered in side story Yoshino Fireworks.) However her affection towards him doesn't change at all throughout the date... reason revealed later on.

Meanwhile, Origami who has come to the conclusion that Kotori was the one who killed her parents 5 years ago decides to steal AST equipment (White Licorice? Lycoris?) and kill her. As the date ends and Shido is about to kiss Kotori to seal her powers, Origami appears and attacks the latter. Tohka and Yoshino who were fooling around nearby earlier during the date come to stall Origami while Shido brings Kotori somewhere safe to seal her powers.

Other than her powers, he also regains memories of what happened 5 years ago: Kotori crying because she thought everyone forgot her 9th birthday, Phantom coming and giving her Efreet powers, then the powers go out of control and cause fires, then Shido risks his life to get to her, kisses her (as per Phantom's instructions), then Kotori goes back to normal. Shido gives her a pair of black ribbons as her birthday present, telling her to be strong as long as she wears them (that explains a lot about her current personality now!). After which Phantom strips him of his memories. End of flashback.

From the memories he regained, Shido realises that Kotori couldn't have killed Origami's parents, and that it was another Spirit's doing. After that he showcases to Origami the powers he just sealed, telling her to kill him if that's what satisfies her, since she thinks that whoever has Efreet's powers is the one who killed her parents. She doesn't, and is picked up by other AST members who got wind of her stealing the equipment.

In the epilogue, Kurumi is slowly gathering power to defeat Efreet!Kotori. She's no longer killing people like before, just weakening them. And her reason for gathering lifespan is revealed: Phantom told her to kill the first Spirit who caused the spacequake 30 years ago, hence she has to gather enough to 1) go back 30 years using 12th Bullet: Yod Bet, and 2) actually do the deed. Meanwhile, Kotori is recovering mentally (physically not much problem) from what happened earlier. Reine told Shido that actually there was no need for a date with Kotori for him to seal her powers because her affection level for him was at the max all along (good job Reine... not). Shido tells Kotori he loves her as a younger sister. Cue tsun reaction from Kotori.

As for who Phantom is, it's some mysterious entity. Seriously.

Did I miss anything plot-important? :P

excellent you nailed everything and it seems as though u've also finished off this season of Date a Live. I'm guessing in Vol 8 Phantom will finally be revealed

[iamadooddood]

Originally Posted by Algester

I do think it was later stated that his abilities will grow depending on the "closeness" of the relationship after the capture, and there the wish part... which brings to a question can he also access the evil sides of each power? and will it affect his personality as we have seen with Tohka

Not just closeness (which apparently is actually the physical distance between him and the Spirit whose powers he's trying to use). He started using powers other than Kotori's only after he resealed Kotori's powers. I'm guessing that he's summoning them in the order that he sealed them. Each time he's in a pinch, he unlocks a new one. Whee!

As for your question, it's one that I think will only be answered in the second half of the next 2-book arc, or the one after that.

Originally Posted by ImperialFlameGod8190

excellent you nailed everything and it seems as though u've also finished off this season of Date a Live. I'm guessing in Vol 8 Phantom will finally be revealed

This season, as in the anime? Heh.

Volume 8? Nah, seems too close. I'm thinking earliest is during the second half of the next 2-book arc. And since I also think that volume 8 will be a standalone, earliest should be volume 10?

(Maybe I should go translate the rest of volume 4 on BT )

[kazzuya13]

Who knows maybe phantom would turn out to be Shidou's biological mother.

[iamadooddood]

Originally Posted by kazzuya13

Who knows maybe phantom would turn out to be Shidou's biological mother.

Lol, the most mysterious character in the whole series. Its possible identities include: Shidou's biological mother/father, the first Spirit, the zeroth Spirit... the list goes on.

[Shinji103]

Originally Posted by iamadooddood

So you're like me, huh? ^_^

Right... (actually do I even need the spoiler tag? Never mind.)

Spoiler:

Kotori, having taken her Spirit power back from Shido effortlessly defeats Kurumi and is about to kill her when Shido gets in between them. Kotori shifted her aim in time. Shido faints from the blast, Kurumi escapes. Then in the aftermath of the battle, Kotori, finding it harder and harder to control her bloodthirsty Efreet personality even with drugs supplied by Reine, needs her powers to be resealed, and thus Shido has to date her to improve her affection levels. (Preparation for the date involves some romcom moments, like Shido visiting Origami in the hospital, and a competition where whoever can make Shido's heart beat the fastest while they choose a swimsuit for him to buy them wins a date with him. Tohka and Origami compete against each other but both lose to Yoshino. Date covered in side story Yoshino Fireworks.) However her affection towards him doesn't change at all throughout the date... reason revealed later on.

Meanwhile, Origami who has come to the conclusion that Kotori was the one who killed her parents 5 years ago decides to steal AST equipment (White Licorice? Lycoris?) and kill her. As the date ends and Shido is about to kiss Kotori to seal her powers, Origami appears and attacks the latter. Tohka and Yoshino who were fooling around nearby earlier during the date come to stall Origami while Shido brings Kotori somewhere safe to seal her powers.

Other than her powers, he also regains memories of what happened 5 years ago: Kotori crying because she thought everyone forgot her 9th birthday, Phantom coming and giving her Efreet powers, then the powers go out of control and cause fires, then Shido risks his life to get to her, kisses her (as per Phantom's instructions), then Kotori goes back to normal. Shido gives her a pair of black ribbons as her birthday present, telling her to be strong as long as she wears them (that explains a lot about her current personality now!). After which Phantom strips him of his memories. End of flashback.

From the memories he regained, Shido realises that Kotori couldn't have killed Origami's parents, and that it was another Spirit's doing. After that he showcases to Origami the powers he just sealed, telling her to kill him if that's what satisfies her, since she thinks that whoever has Efreet's powers is the one who killed her parents. She doesn't, and is picked up by other AST members who got wind of her stealing the equipment.

In the epilogue, Kurumi is slowly gathering power to defeat Efreet!Kotori. She's no longer killing people like before, just weakening them. And her reason for gathering lifespan is revealed: Phantom told her to kill the first Spirit who caused the spacequake 30 years ago, hence she has to gather enough to 1) go back 30 years using 12th Bullet: Yod Bet, and 2) actually do the deed. Meanwhile, Kotori is recovering mentally (physically not much problem) from what happened earlier. Reine told Shido that actually there was no need for a date with Kotori for him to seal her powers because her affection level for him was at the max all along (good job Reine... not). Shido tells Kotori he loves her as a younger sister. Cue tsun reaction from Kotori.

As for who Phantom is, it's some mysterious entity. Seriously.

Did I miss anything plot-important? :P

Actually, you got something wrong there in the epilogue of volume 4:

Spoiler:

It was Phantom who told her about Shidou and that he was carrying the power of three different spiritis, but it wasn't Phantom telling Kurumi to go back in time to kill the first spirit. Phantom asked Kurumi what she was going to do when she has the power to use her final bullet. Kurumi then told Phantom that she wanted to go back in time 30 years and kill the first spirit. Phantom then commented that she's unexpectedly kind, and Kurumi tried to shoot him for it.

So killing the first spirit, and making it so all the spirits after the first didn't exist, is Kurumi's idea.

[iamadooddood]

Originally Posted by Shinji103

Actually, you got something wrong there in the epilogue of volume 4:

Spoiler:

It was Phantom who told her about Shidou and that he was carrying the power of three different spiritis, but it wasn't Phantom telling Kurumi to go back in time to kill the first spirit. Phantom asked Kurumi what she was going to do when she has the power to use her final bullet. Kurumi then told Phantom that she wanted to go back in time 30 years and kill the first spirit. Phantom then commented that she's unexpectedly kind, and Kurumi tried to shoot him for it.

So killing the first spirit, and making it so all the spirits after the first didn't exist, is Kurumi's idea.

Like I said earlier, I had to rely on Chinese translations of the LN for volume 4, and my brain just doesn't process stuff in Chinese half as well as it does in English. I knew I got something wrong somewhere.

I need to re-read the second half of volume 4. Bleh.

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

o well doesn't really matter especially since the episode proved kurumi is a tsundere as well as a yandere. But based on that she seems like a dark ally of justice i'm guessing something happened to her 30 years ago and she wanted revenge for it that's why she's after the first spirit.

[Shinji103]

Originally Posted by ImperialFlameGod8190

i'm guessing something happened to her 30 years ago and she wanted revenge for it that's why she's after the first spirit.

Nope, that's definitely not what she's after. Phantom said "You're a surprisingly kind person" when she told him what her goal was, and she was ticked off and tried to shoot him for it, showing he was right. It's definitely not revenge, more likely it's something like she wanted to spare the spirits that came after the first the pain of being hunted down and killed or something, and she got mad at Phantom for figuring out her goal was actually good instead of psycho evil.

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Originally Posted by Shinji103

Nope, that's definitely not what she's after. Phantom said "You're a surprisingly kind person" when she told him what her goal was, and she was ticked off and tried to shoot him for it, showing he was right. It's definitely not revenge, more likely it's something like she wanted to spare the spirits that came after the first the pain of being hunted down and killed or something, and she got mad at Phantom for figuring out her goal was actually good instead of psycho evil.

yea its like she wants people to hate her and when shidou didn't she got afraid it also explains why she easily lets mana kill her

[holybell84]

Originally Posted by ImperialFlameGod8190

yea its like she wants people to hate her and when shidou didn't she got afraid it also explains why she easily lets mana kill her

But then, given that if Kurumi succeeds, that will constitutes to Tohka, Yoshino etc not existing at all, and I don't think Shidou will want that. Let's hope that those arse at DEM actually had a hand in opening that portal 30 years ago.

[iamadooddood]

Originally Posted by Shinji103

Nope, that's definitely not what she's after. Phantom said "You're a surprisingly kind person" when she told him what her goal was, and she was ticked off and tried to shoot him for it, showing he was right. It's definitely not revenge, more likely it's something like she wanted to spare the spirits that came after the first the pain of being hunted down and killed or something, and she got mad at Phantom for figuring out her goal was actually good instead of psycho evil.

Ok, so let's call Kurumi a tsundere from now on, since it's more accurate than yandere.

Originally Posted by holybell84

But then, given that if Kurumi succeeds, that will constitutes to Tohka, Yoshino etc not existing at all, and I don't think Shidou will want that. Let's hope that those arse at DEM actually had a hand in opening that portal 30 years ago.

Time paradox lol. If she killed the first Spirit she'll need their powers, but then if she succeeded then they and their powers wouldn't have existed. Unless Phantom is acting independently of the first Spirit. Or... Kurumi's the one who caused the spacequake...

[RapidPotential]

Originally Posted by Shinji103

Nope, that's definitely not what she's after. Phantom said "You're a surprisingly kind person" when she told him what her goal was, and she was ticked off and tried to shoot him for it, showing he was right. It's definitely not revenge, more likely it's something like she wanted to spare the spirits that came after the first the pain of being hunted down and killed or something, and she got mad at Phantom for figuring out her goal was actually good instead of psycho evil.

The thing is, the way Kurumi comes off doing it, she doesn't want to make it seem like she's being noble about her goal of making the incidents (spacequakes, Spirits appearing etc.). She obviously has her own selfish reasons for this, not wanting to experience the suffering and indignation of being hunted to death on a regular basis even though none of any of the Spirits wanted to appear out of nowhere and cause a spacequake out of their own accord. She might seem evil but definitely there's some good in her.

Originally Posted by holybell84

But then, given that if Kurumi succeeds, that will constitutes to Tohka, Yoshino etc not existing at all, and I don't think Shidou will want that. Let's hope that those arse at DEM actually had a hand in opening that portal 30 years ago.

Originally Posted by iamadooddood

Time paradox lol. If she killed the first Spirit she'll need their powers, but then if she succeeded then they and their powers wouldn't have existed. Unless Phantom is acting independently of the first Spirit. Or... Kurumi's the one who caused the spacequake...

With regards to the time paradox issue, it would definitely make it that the current Spirits who exist in the world disappear, along with Shidou's ability to seal and act as a container for those powers (unless his ability to seal Spirit powers were from birth). Somehow I think the Phantom is just an entity who does things on a whim, but there's a possibility said entity might also come from the dimension where the Spirits were originally from as well. With all being said, I find the possibility of Kurumi causing the spacequake near zero since it is unlikely that she would appear without the First Spirit actually doing so.

[Shinji103]

Originally Posted by RapidPotential

The thing is, the way Kurumi comes off doing it, she doesn't want to make it seem like she's being noble about her goal of making the incidents (spacequakes, Spirits appearing etc.). She obviously has her own selfish reasons for this, not wanting to experience the suffering and indignation of being hunted to death on a regular basis even though none of any of the Spirits wanted to appear out of nowhere and cause a spacequake out of their own accord. She might seem evil but definitely there's some good in her.

I'm not saying she's evil, in fact I'm saying the opposite. (sort of)

She was angry at Phantom for seeing that she has some good in her at the end of volume 4, because she doesn't want anybody to know. Undoubtedly we'll get some background on her and ellaboration on this at some point, but my bet is that either she's been through some rough stuff in her past or she's angry over how groups like the AST have treated her kind. So she perceives kindness as weakness, but she hasn't gotten rid of it completely.

[sky black swordman]

Assuming Kurumi's plan is successful , what would happen to Kotori and Miku ? IIRC aren't they both humans who were turned into "Spirits".

[shadow1296]

Originally Posted by sky black swordman

Assuming Kurumi's plan is successful , what would happen to Kotori and Miku ? IIRC aren't they both humans who were turned into "Spirits".

they would stay human and not turn into spirits probably or probably nothing kurumi assumes that if she succeeds that everything else would return to normal and there would be no more spirits or human turned spirits, though i don't think that would happen, the only way that her plans succeeds that way is if the person that she goes back to kill is phantom

[Shinji103]

Originally Posted by sky black swordman

Assuming Kurumi's plan is successful , what would happen to Kotori and Miku ? IIRC aren't they both humans who were turned into "Spirits".

All spirits after the first would cease to exist according to Kurumi, though we don't know about them since they're "artificial" spirits.

I would bet though that since Phantom turned them into spirits, he/she has some connection to them him/herself. (whether he/she is a spirit or he/she just used the spirits' power to find a way to make humans into spirits) So if all spirits after the first cease to exist, Kotori and Miku would go on as if spirits had never come into their lives.

[RapidPotential]

Originally Posted by Shinji103

I'm not saying she's evil, in fact I'm saying the opposite. (sort of)

She was angry at Phantom for seeing that she has some good in her at the end of volume 4, because she doesn't want anybody to know. Undoubtedly we'll get some background on her and ellaboration on this at some point, but my bet is that either she's been through some rough stuff in her past or she's angry over how groups like the AST have treated her kind. So she perceives kindness as weakness, but she hasn't gotten rid of it completely.

Actually that's what I meant, although the way I worded it may have it come across in a slightly misinterpreted way. I did say "she might seem evil" but that didn't necessarily indicate I thought she was.

Perhaps all the times that she's encountered the AST all these years may have ended up in her getting killed almost every time. This could have been the reason to her current personality, as well as her killing over 10,000 people. Since she was indiscriminately being killed over and over, she must have figured that killing humans in retaliation would be a justified thing. Then again, with the way her powers work she's able to reverse her own "time", yet retain memories of what actually happened. That would have broken her many times over.

As of later volumes there are indications that she has taken a liking to Shidou (perhaps, not yet in a romantic way), largely due to his kindness.