2013-01-30, 00:02 | Link #321 | ||
オレンジ色の王
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The only problem I find with Faker is this:
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Not to mention with this much power, he could possibly break into the dungeon where the Fluctuating Light is stored and take it for himself. When the enemies pile on, switch to Grande and tank, then switch to Knight or Lotus to knock them back, throw the enemies into confusion with Silly Go Round, following up with a lightning storm courtesy of the Tempest, and then rain hell upon them with the Immobile Fortress. Repeat and rinse. |
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2013-01-30, 06:10 | Link #322 |
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Perhaps, the Seven Arcs should be the only items he cannot fully copy? Or maybe he can only store one of them at a time, and needs to see another to switch?
And obviously, he shouldn't be able to switch between stored forms that quickly, if it would make him so powerful. Perhaps instead, his upgrades allow him to store a set number of forms (just as Dusk Taker could steal a set number of things). But remember that if he's invested that far into "remove restrictions", he has totally forsaken copying the level up bonuses of others. We really don't know how powerful any of the kings would be, if they lost all of those. Especially since those bonuses start getting scary powerful the higher your level is.* * To be clear, I think that leveling up improves an avatar's basic capabilities a bit, such that Black Lotus ends up wicked fast and strong compared to lesser avatars despite focusing her upgrades on her blades, and Yellow Radio is just as fast and strong despite probably focusing on Yellow abilities. Bonuses are just that -- a bonus on top of the general increase, which allows you to gain completely new capabilities. |
2013-01-30, 07:25 | Link #323 | |||
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I wish I could get things just by looking at them too. |
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2013-01-30, 08:26 | Link #324 | |
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For my first fanfic this was exactly what I did with my avatar, a special move 'Dye' changes him into one of the six pure colours. Absolutely broken. Deal damage till gauge is full, switch to green for tanking until your gauge is full again...there's specialisation in everything. You could limit Faker from Enhanced Armaments, but still...if you copy Black Lotus in a fight against NN, kill her members, and rope in your friends in the UNF, it becomes a skewed fight. In a duel, however, you'll lose; Ditto versus anything is very risky for fights. Sorry Gold, but I can't let this one pass. Last edited by Tusjecht; 2013-01-30 at 09:17. Reason: Silly typos |
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2013-01-30, 08:38 | Link #325 |
オレンジ色の王
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The concept is interesting and well thought out, but because of its nature, it invariably ends up as ridiculously OP. Once it's been nerfed to an acceptable level, so much of the original concept has already been lost that it's no longer the same avatar.
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2013-01-30, 09:20 | Link #326 | |
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It then becomes very easy for Blue Knight to win. All he has to do is to attack the weak spot of Faker/Knight and unless Faker can learn fast enough, he just wasted 10 BP. |
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2013-01-30, 09:27 | Link #327 | |||||
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2013-01-30, 09:36 | Link #328 | ||||
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Referring to the part above, I refer to battle royales in the UNF. |
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2013-01-30, 09:41 | Link #329 |
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Just for emphasis, Gold. Faker's usefulness as an ally thus lies in his duplication; not just mimicking another avatar, he's copying their strengths to use in battle against a common enemy! How would you like to be facing two Silver Crows, or Blue Knights, or Dusk Takers (urgh), or two Black Lotuses? Remember that Taker's ability lay in his special move which would get copied because it's not an Armament.
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2013-01-30, 09:59 | Link #330 |
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Let's shelve this whole idea for now. Suffice to say that the basic idea is great for an Enemy, but very hard to make work as a Duel Avatar.
Next idea: Yellow Stopwatch Based on Izayoi Sakuya, of Touhou project. Her basic attacks are fencing knives and throwing knives, so she favors no particular range. Her special move is to cancel the Acceleration effect of the Accelerated World for a limited radius around her. Doesnt require a full gauge, but eats through a full meter ridiculously fast. Gives her the illusion of super-speed and teleportation, but not absolute dominance. Probably, anything she touches unfreezes, discouraging her from punching someone when stopping time, but letting her move objects and allies. For duels, the radius extends over the whole battlefield and affects spectators. Since "Watch Witch" is taken, she would probably earn the name "Chrono Killer". |
2013-01-30, 10:13 | Link #331 | |
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1) Mainly, the question of the colour yellow. It's not impossible for BB to assign two players the same colour, just an absurdly small probability. There's Vise and Lotus as the only example. Graphite Edge might count if the colour is really dark grey. 2) Moving 1000x faster relative to other Linkers. This..is mainly mind-blowing. You say it eats SP gauge fast, but I suppose she can either reduce cost or increase duration with upgrades. The main issue now is whether it might count as too fast. If she sets knives elsewhere, then the opponent has virtually no time to react at all. Knives will fly and he's well and truly Za Warudo-ed. are we still discussing the or the brother complex avatar? But let's finish Sakuya Stopwatch first. Last edited by Tusjecht; 2013-01-31 at 09:00. |
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2013-01-30, 11:02 | Link #332 |
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Yellow is just a placeholder. The idea is that she is Yellowish.
"Stopping time" would/could be the result of dumping bonuses into improving a basic "slow-down", rather than the initial ability. As to the little sister, I had the last word on her. If you want to talk more, the ball's in your court. |
2013-01-30, 11:16 | Link #333 | |
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I accept the Yellow Sakuya for now. Whatever colour she gets will definitely be a highly saturated one for sure. For the 'teleport' an ally, I was thinking more towards teleporting her brother back to her side from anywhere he is. This works well in a tag team; from afar, support bro with any bonuses and help. If a close-range sneaks up, teleport bro back to fight off stalker. As a duel avatar, however, it makes zero sense because you're basically bringing your opponent to your face. If the teleporting idea cannot hold water well enough, then my current idea is more towards a support type; by maintaining contact with a target avatar, she either enhances the avatar with a stats buff or damages it with a stats degradation. Tricky, but really strong if you think of it: She holds on to Silver Crow. Boom, super flight, or not so bad in melee fighting. She holds onto Cyan Pile. Decreases recovery time or the spike is more penetrating. Enemy grabs her. Wrong move sir, your special gauge starts dropping for no reason. That's what I could think of. EDIT: Maybe not so. Maybe I was over-thinking the whole thing, would it be normal is she just had long-range firepower? either that, or any ability that fits the wish of 'I reject the world because all I need is my brother.' |
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2013-01-30, 15:04 | Link #334 | ||||||
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But it's possible (if not canonical) that when you achieve Level 4 and gain access to the UNF, the game might provide options which are useless for dueling. For example, Lime Bell's Enemy-summoning ability -- is that from a bonus or is it an item she acquired from elsewhere? Quote:
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I'm thinking of a bubble force-field large enough to contain one other person... Or a special attack where she and one other person occupy the eye of the storm. Perhaps a literal storm; a tornado that shields herself and one other from attacks while blowing intruders away. In the second case, a lightweight version of Sand Duct whose abilities are apparently "magical". Like an Airbender from Avatar the Last Airbender. (Afterall, I don't see bulky generators on Purple Thorn or flamethrowers on Ardor Maiden.) I doubt we ever saw Sand Duct's special attack; the vaccuum pull was not so powerful that it would require SP. |
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2013-01-30, 19:18 | Link #337 | |
オレンジ色の王
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Not sure why you would want that kind of answer to a question formatted like that but since you insist:
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But anyway, skill available from an item. |
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