2012-10-03, 12:04 | Link #61 |
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Now we're getting somewhere.
It looks like one of my predictions came true. Obito has the ability to see through his Sharingan eye which is possessed by Kakashi. With this ability he could spy on any activity Kakashi happens to be involved in so long as the Sharingan is exposed. It's pretty clear that Kakash killed the real Rin. I'm guessing that some kind of deception or manipulation by the Mist ninja caused this. I wonder what role Obito will take in this situation since he is at the battlefield.
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2012-10-03, 12:13 | Link #62 | ||
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I agree that Kakashi 'letting Rin die' would hold more impact than him just straight up killing her, unless Kakashi's death blow was because he was in an illusion and was cocky in thinking he could beat all his opponents--then I'll let it slide. But w/ez, looks like we can't take most statements, words and thoughts seriously anymore, they might get changed way later. Still better than itachi's retcon though.. |
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2012-10-03, 12:29 | Link #63 |
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except that in this case it's not way later. obito literally said 'you let rin die' in ch 600. there's no way kishi didn't know where he was going with this flashback only a couple chapters ago. therefore there are only 2 options. either what we're seeing is a genjutsu or some kind of other trick like a zetsu clone of rin and the real rin died some other way that kakashi couldn't help, or kishi purposely wrote bs for no real reason. if it's the latter then wtf...
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2012-10-03, 13:28 | Link #64 |
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This is a pointless debate about something that could be either a mistranslation of a more generally applicable japanese sentence or Obito does not regard Kakashi as Rin's killer. Kakashi never wanted to kill Rin, so even if he caused her death as we see on the last page it wasn't his doing.
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2012-10-03, 13:35 | Link #65 | |
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it's true that we don't know what happened next and that it could all be explained as a zetsu clone of rin or something, but that's the case every week when we talk about the current chapter. that's the whole point of most of these discussions. discussing what might happen and what things might mean. there's no point in discussing facts that everyone knows. like kamui being a MS technique for instance if it's a mis-translation then its a moot point. i can only talk about what i see. not what the words might mean in their original language |
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2012-10-03, 15:35 | Link #67 | ||
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(It's been a while since I looked back that far and read that specific chapter, so maybe I'm wrong, but that's something that stuck with me.) So Kakashi 'killing Rin' like we're seeing now, seems way outta left field...OR.... Quote:
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2012-10-03, 16:03 | Link #68 |
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I think we can say that Obito is able to see through "his" other sharingan. There may be requirements to this, but it seems that is the case.
I also find it strange that Obito says "You let Rin die." but clearly Kakashi chidori'd her. Madara is likely involved in this incident. Maybe via his control over the Mizukagi, maybe through Zetsu, maybe via controlling Kakashi. Personally I think Naruto is going to get Sasuke's eyes, and Sasuke's death is also going to trigger the Rinnegan for Naruto... Naruto will have the Kyuubi removed from him, and he'll survive, just like Kushina did but he'll be passed out/weak. Madara will be in control of the 10 tails and all the power that entails, but Sasuke will step in and protect Naruto who was about to be killed by Madara in his fully powered state now that he's got the 10 tails. Madara kicks Sasuke's ass but someone unexpected jumps in long enough for Sakura to implant Sasuke's eyes into Naruto before he dies, so that he can "live on" through Naruto. Naruto awakens to his new eyes(his old ones were probably damaged) and sees Sasuke, assesses what happens, and turns into the Sage of Six Paths. Epic battle between Naruto and Madara ensues. Pardon the big post. |
2012-10-03, 16:05 | Link #69 |
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I really doubt Madara had anything to do with this. He's trying to get Obito to follow his plan, but i don't think he would have to Stage such a play just to convince Obito to join his side. That doesn't seem to be Madara's style, to me anyway. All signs are pointing to it, because, why would Zetsu even tell Obito that they were in danger.
Madara is so confident in his image of the world, I think he would feel that he doesn't NEED to fake this to convince somebody. |
2012-10-03, 16:12 | Link #70 |
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I just don't see how can this be discussed since one side of the discussion says that the author is a complete idiot, which obviously is not true so there's nothing to discuss there. I mean we can discuss how both Obito's sentence and the last page can be real by having theories about Zetsu clones or translation errors or whatever, but discussing if the author is idiot or not is pointless. Maybe you're wasting your time defending the author against such trolling, but i don't want to ruin your fun
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2012-10-03, 17:44 | Link #72 |
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^Jiraiya isn't even close to being a threat to Naruto anymore. He can't use Senjutsu without the aid of the Toads (which they would not give him), and his strongest attacks would be shrugged off or simply avoided with the Kyuubi shroud. A fight with Itachi would have been interesting, but that would require Kishimoto to besmirch Itachi's name.
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2012-10-03, 20:10 | Link #75 |
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uhm... the 5th hokage is Tsunade...
You're talking about the 3rd hokage (Sandaime) and he wasn't killed by Orochimaru, he killed himself to seal Orochimaru's arms, along with the 1st, 2nd, and himself. The Fourth Hokage used the same jutsu when he was sealing the Kyuubi inside Naruto. They've explained that their souls are sealed after using that Jutsu, so Kabuto can't revive them. |
2012-10-03, 20:51 | Link #76 |
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Here is my guess. Kakashi is under some kind of genjutsu. He still hasn't master the sharingan full potential. What Obito saw was all part of the genjustu. He's seeing what Kakashi is seeing. The mist ninja are probably mind f*cking Kakashi, thus Obito seeing everything.
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same could be said about asuma. jiraiya would be one of the resolve-breaking ETs designed for naruto. but jiraiya would also be able to take out some fairly big targets as well. naruto is one of the few good guys who could beat him |
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2012-10-03, 22:57 | Link #78 | |
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2012-10-04, 17:55 | Link #80 |
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Idk why nobody expected kakashi killed rin, i never assumed, anything differently...why else would kakashi and tobi have a ms? Duh..
Anyway this whole tobito thing is still stupid..what's funny is the ppl saying oooh kakashi killed obito's 12 year old crush, now his world domination plans make sense opposed to if she was killed by someone else...uh no, still stupid... Let's end this, i have a feeling this manga jumped the shark. |
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