Nanoha - StrikerS - Episode 19 Discussion / Poll

[Burner of Anime]

Originally Posted by Jimmy C

Estavali, there is an additional problem with your idea. Such a ship would not be a frontline combatant, hardly deserving of the title "most powerful ancient Belka warship". The mission specification you described is more that of an armed transport.
Though one could argue that it's merely the most powerful on record in modern times. Which brings a scary thought, what would a true frontline combatant based on the same level of technology be like?

Hmm, an weapon where the Emperor holds the "Destroy Planet" button . Where have we seen this before?

I always thought of the Death Star as some sort of glorified throne, whose only purpose was to taunt the opposition into the unlikely act of landing a proton torpedo into a seemingly convienient hole

Funny thing about long odds and the law of averages is if someone tries long and hard enough, it's going to come true

On the concept of a conventional weapon that does everything? IMO, an automated weapons and factory platform would be the best bet. It would have some very hard hitting weapons for gatecrashing [read: beamspamming] and just drone hordes to flatten the rest. The Numbers are essentially it's field commanders, giving directed control for specific missions. In fact, I suspect Lutecia was brought out specifically as a mobile drone controller for that mindless lot till she went rogue.

I have essentially described a Protoss Carrier, except someone in this instance decided to arm the damned thing with proper guns

[Kha]

Originally Posted by Burner of Anime

Hmm, an weapon where the Emperor holds the "Destroy Planet" button . Where have we seen this before?

I always thought of the Death Star as some sort of glorified throne, whose only purpose was to taunt the opposition into the unlikely act of landing a proton torpedo into a seemingly convienient hole

Funny thing about long odds and the law of averages is if someone tries long and hard enough, it's going to come true

On the concept of a conventional weapon that does everything? IMO, an automated weapons and factory platform would be the best bet. It would have some very hard hitting weapons for gatecrashing [read: beamspamming] and just drone hordes to flatten the rest. The Numbers are essentially it's field commanders, giving directed control for specific missions. In fact, I suspect Lutecia was brought out specifically as a mobile drone controller for that mindless lot till she went rogue.

I have essentially described a Protoss Carrier, except someone in this instance decided to arm the damned thing with proper guns

So if this is the Carrier... I wanna see the Mothership!

[Burner of Anime]

Originally Posted by Kha

So if this is the Carrier... I wanna see the Mothership!

For that, I suppose I'd go for the Independence Day approach and say it's a planetoid eating, transdimensional factory that does nothing but build and gate in other carriers

A mothership is not something I'd be willing to commit into a fight [yes, I also play Homeworld }.

[Fabien]

Originally Posted by Jimmy C

Though one could argue that it's merely the most powerful on record in modern times. Which brings a scary thought, what would a true frontline combatant based on the same level of technology be like?

Enough to destroy that civilization. After all, it was mentioned that Alhazared was destoyed because of its too-powerful technology. And the most dangerous material of our time are the remnants of that civilization.

[Kha]

Originally Posted by Burner of Anime

For that, I suppose I'd go for the Independence Day approach and say it's a planetoid eating, transdimensional factory that does nothing but build and gate in other carriers

A mothership is not something I'd be willing to commit into a fight [yes, I also play Homeworld }.

Oh that kind of Mothership. It should at least have an annihilator weapon to fire and wipe out the battlefield if the Carriers are getting overwhelmed...

Originally Posted by Fabien

Enough to destroy that civilization. After all, it was mentioned that Alhazared was destoyed because of its too-powerful technology. And the most dangerous material of our time are the remnants of that civilization.

Sore wa, Dark Age of Technology, much?

[Hypernova]

I conclude that the staff of this show can't design to save their own life. First the weird ass TSAB HQ, then the ROFLCOPTER and now this "thing" that even taking into account the poor quility of the caps is ugly as sin.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Hypernova

I conclude that the staff of this show can't design to save their own life. First the weird ass TSAB HQ, then the ROFLCOPTER and now this "thing" that even taking into account the poor quility of the caps is ugly as sin.

I really don't see why people don't like the Navy's HQ I thought it was pretty good.

Storm Raider I can understand though.

Well in the defense of 'Cradle', it was made a long-ass time ago...

[An Hero in Disguise]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

I really don't see why people don't like the Navy's HQ I thought it was pretty good.

I can't say that Navy HQ is bad, but every time I see it I can't associate it with TSAB somehow ... It just doesn't look right ...

[Kha]

Just seen the raw, most of my points have been covered here, but I have a couple of crack theories:

Spoiler for Hehehe...:

1. If Quint is Due, Ginga might just be working for Scagletti willingly to awaken her mother, who now is nothing but a mindless cyborg.

Either that, or...

2. What we saw in the Athra display wasn't Ginga, but was Quint/Due, wearing one half of what was once her Device! I mean, we really can't tell Ginga and Quint apart much, can we?!

Let the mindfuck begin!

[An Hero in Disguise]

Originally Posted by Kha

Just seen the raw, most of my points have been covered here, but I have a couple of crack theories:

Spoiler for Hehehe...:

1. If Quint is Due, Ginga might just be working for Scagletti willingly to awaken her mother, who now is nothing but a mindless cyborg.

Either that, or...

2. What we saw in the Athra display wasn't Ginga, but was Quint/Due, wearing one half of what was once her Device! I mean, we really can't tell Ginga and Quint apart much, can we?!

Let the mindfuck begin!

Wasn't Quint's body buried or something when she died?

[Chaos2Frozen]

Actually, there is a distinct difference between Quint and Ginga physically

The shade of their hair colour is different.

[Nightengale]

Originally Posted by An Hero in Disguise

Wasn't Quint's body buried or something when she died?

Clones should be a cinch for Jail to create. At the very least, a lifeless clone shouldn't be a problem, even if he cannot completely emulate the peak of Project F.

I think Kha's theory run in line with...

Quint saw TSAB being involved in secret-experiments XXXX, discovered, makes a run for it, and was extremely severely injured, saved by Jail, but since she's already dug her own grave by seeing TSAB's secrets, going back is suicide, so Jail creates a lifeless clone of her, chocks that lifeless body somewhere to be found by TSAB while retrofitting the original with Sentoukijin implants.

However, the biggest problem with this is that Due is supposed to be as old as Uno and Tre, and even if we push the maximum... Quint's death cannot be more than 10 years ago, while Quattro and Cinque are already on active duty 10 years ago.

Anyway, the most simple is brainwash. As ridiculously unappealing that plot device would be...

But I agree, they should reveal Due already.

[Estavali]

Originally Posted by An Hero in Disguise

But then Vivio doesn't feel herself very comfortable for someone meant to be protected.

Ah, yes, I admit her obvious discomfort makes it look more as if the Cradle is sucking her dry instead of protecting her. Fabien's comparison to the corrupted Tome of the Night Sky may resolve this conflict.

Alternatively I can also blame it on the Doc's restraints. Maybe they are the source of the pain?

Originally Posted by Jimmy C

Estavali, there is an additional problem with your idea. Such a ship would not be a frontline combatant, hardly deserving of the title "most powerful ancient Belka warship". The mission specification you described is more that of an armed transport.
Though one could argue that it's merely the most powerful on record in modern times. Which brings a scary thought, what would a true frontline combatant based on the same level of technology be like?

Once again, we don't know if any smart ancient fellow had been tinkering with Cradle, transforming it from what might be a mobile fortress/throne dedicated to protecting its contents to what could be a flying juggernaut of death. Once again, the Tome comparison.

Originally Posted by An Hero in Disguise

I can't say that Navy HQ is bad, but every time I see it I can't associate it with TSAB somehow ... It just doesn't look right ...

One of the entropymax 4komas actually compares it to a villian's lair . You know, pointy and ominous-looking?

Originally Posted by An Hero in Disguise

Wasn't Quint's body buried or something when she died?

She was shown in a coffin, and as far as we know, stayed in there when they buried her.

Unless, of course, the good Doktor does a John Smith and took up grave-robbing Mai-Otome style.

[Kha]

Originally Posted by An Hero in Disguise

Wasn't Quint's body buried or something when she died?

Originally Posted by Estavali

Unless, of course, the good Doktor does a John Smith and took up grave-robbing Mai-Otome style.

Exactly. Nighty's theory can work as well.

The only problem to circumvent is the 10 year max, which to me seems pretty vague... Is there a reference as to why Quint couldn't have died earlier?

[Nightengale]

Originally Posted by Kha

Exactly. Nighty's theory can work as well.

The only problem to circumvent is the 10 year max, which to me seems pretty vague... Is there a reference as to why Quint couldn't have died earlier?

Subaru and Ginga was found by Quint 11 years ago.

And while it was never stated how many years exactly after the adoption till Quint's death, (( I think )) but I believe it's said to be more than just a year. I say 10 years as a most ridiculous limit, really. A more rational assumption is that it's probably 6-8 years, and not 10.

Unless of course, Quint was already a Sentoukijin before or when she found Subaru/Ginga...but that makes ZERO sense, no pun intended. IF Ginga isn't brainwashed (( 80% unlikeliness )), I'd say a Relic Core ver. Quint seems much much more likely than the Due theory, which has more holes than a swiss cheese.

[Darco_emp]

Originally Posted by Nightengale

Subaru and Ginga was found by Quint 11 years ago.

And while it was never stated how many years exactly after the adoption till Quint's death, (( I think )) but I believe it's said to be more than just a year. I say 10 years as a most ridiculous limit, really. A more rational assumption is that it's probably 6-8 years, and not 10.

About 8 or so years sounds right to me, Since Subaru and Ginga seems petty attached to her at time of her death and that come with sometime spent together.

I said this to Kha already and I'll say it again, Jail has dug his own grave by broadcasting Vivio in distress to Nanoha.

Since next ep's title is "Infinite Desires" I do hope they do answer more questions on all those blank spots still left. and I'm definitely expect big explosions

[Key Board]

I have no real basis to support this, but I think Due is the sentoukijin that injured Nanoha years ago

and that's probably why they are saving her for later

[HayatexNanohaxFate]

After watching ep.19 today i was terrified at what Spaghetti showed to the TSAB, Saint Church, RF6 & more importantly Nanoha. Now i can't erase this possibility happening to each of the Numbers if Nanoha breaks in one of the future episodes

Spoiler for for Scag's deathwish:

Originally Posted by herbert

http://www.bb.banban.jp/fukurou/

found it while i was browsing teh image thread

good thing Tea and Subaru didn't tick Nanoha during their mock battle, i fear they would've suffer the same thing

[Estavali]

Originally Posted by Darco_emp

I said this to Kha already and I'll say it again, Jail has dug his own grave by broadcasting Vivio in distress to Nanoha.

Perhaps, but if you look at it from a different angle, it can be considered as an anti-Nanoha or rather, anti-Hayate precaution. A hostage (a child and one that's dear to the Captains), and one of the primary targets of retrieval.

If the Doc can

a) make infiltration into the Cradle (and subsequently, Vivio's rescue) an impossibility (or at least, highly costly on the TSAB side),
b) prove that damage to the Cradle will also mean damage to Vivio, and
c) takes extra care to stay out of danger (aka a bloodthirsty Nanoha),

he has more or less secure the Cradle's immunity, at least from the Arthra's AeC (if it's still there) or Hayate's nuke-worthy spells.

Of course, other units would still have little qualms attacking it, with the appropriate justifications.

[Darco_emp]

Originally Posted by Estavali

Perhaps, but if you look at it from a different angle, it can be considered as an anti-Nanoha or rather, anti-Hayate precaution. A hostage (a child and one that's dear to the Captains), and one of the primary targets of retrieval.

If the Doc can

a) make infiltration into the Cradle (and subsequently, Vivio's rescue) an impossibility (or at least, highly costly on the TSAB side),
b) prove that damage to the Cradle will also mean damage to Vivio, and
c) takes extra care to stay out of danger (aka a bloodthirsty Nanoha),

he has more or less secure the Cradle's immunity, at least from the Arthra's AeC (if it's still there) or Hayate's nuke-worthy spells.

Of course, other units would still have little qualms attacking it, with the appropriate justifications.

However given the nature of these kind of things, that option a is almost impossible with the laws of anime. Which implies that Vivio will be rescued sooner or later, then option b will be an invalid target thus let the bloodletting begin