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dragon1412 · 2021-03-21, 10:41

most webnovel is amateur though, so detail character thought process is fairly rare, since it required really good writing skill without making it out of place.

Garn · 2021-04-07, 02:30

Infuriates a lot when the MC is left with a complex generated by someone who despises him and sees him as scum.
Worse when his allies praise him but he does not believe them and continues to trust the words of those who despise him.
Even worse when the complex turns out to be something of great value but you still don't believe it.
And finally, the complex is something that is created without anything really traumatic or with a lot of time of some kind of continuous abuse.

The class bully: You're stupid
The jap MC: Yes I am

Tenzen12 · 2021-04-07, 06:31

As weird as it sounds, it actually has basis in RL psychology and it's certainly not only japanese thing (well it has to be minimaly continuous verbal abuse of some kind at least)

Amelgar · 2021-04-07, 06:54

i.e. people with such low self-esteem they accept any reason to feel bad about themselves.

Kyureki · 2021-04-07, 07:20

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Originally Posted by Tenzen12

As weird as it sounds, it actually has basis in RL psychology and it's certainly not only japanese thing (well it has to be minimaly continuous verbal abuse of some kind at least)

I've seen first hand people who have been constantly told they're stupid or whatnot actually becoming dumbed down for real. The psychological effects of being told you're this or that on a regular basis are not to be underestimated.

This is especially the case when people are in their youth when their minds are still immature and thus more inclined to being influenced by their surroundings.

Garn · 2021-04-07, 13:36

Do not try to put real issues where it does not fit, a real sample only happens in more serious novels that are more scarce

In the vast majority the MC is told that he is useless at an age that he has a developed brain and is told by characters who have obvious enmity.
Apart from the fact that it does not go through a stage of prolonged abuse (an average of 2 years maximum to a few days) and the abuse is done only with words (simple words).
While the MC is not alone (or it is shown later that he was not alone) and if he has allies who continue to support him.
That is, the MC does not live in a dysfunctional family with an environment that promotes trauma and continuous abuse of him.

This is a Japanese cliche, where they mix silly "gaman" culture and an unnecessary low self-confidence+ not wanting to stand out.
When someone who suffers from this for a short time or that is not serious abuse tries to do something to prove otherwise
There are countless novels where the MC was active and capable but he was told that he is useless and on the same day he believes it and stops trying and lowers his head

Tenzen12 · 2021-04-07, 14:08

Two years is more then enough, though. That's exactly what's called prolonged. Not to mention main characters usually starts at their teenage years.

Endscape · 2021-04-08, 11:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garn

Do not try to put real issues where it does not fit, a real sample only happens in more serious novels that are more scarce

In the vast majority the MC is told that he is useless at an age that he has a developed brain and is told by characters who have obvious enmity.
Apart from the fact that it does not go through a stage of prolonged abuse (an average of 2 years maximum to a few days) and the abuse is done only with words (simple words).
While the MC is not alone (or it is shown later that he was not alone) and if he has allies who continue to support him.
That is, the MC does not live in a dysfunctional family with an environment that promotes trauma and continuous abuse of him.

Two years of emotional bullying is more than prolonged enough to mess up anyone, even if they have a good family, you see that all the time in real life.

wuhugm · Yesterday, 03:35

Finally an MC that joins a group
Thank god

dragon1412 · Today, 05:01

lol. I actually prefer MC that swing alone more than MC that join guilds or big groups.

Tenzen12 · Today, 05:14

I prefer MC who is part of collective myself. Being "unique snowflake" is too mainstream and let's be honest 9/10 super pretentious.

dragon1412 · Today, 07:10

I think that's more because the authors tend to try to make MC stand out way too much, I mean, when making a solo MC, I prefer it if the MC isn't too famous unless there are plot significant to it. Since MC being famous actually kill a lot of advantage of MC freedom in solo case.

2021-04-07, 06:31	Link #10723
Tenzen12 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012	As weird as it sounds, it actually has basis in RL psychology and it's certainly not only japanese thing (well it has to be minimaly continuous verbal abuse of some kind at least) __________________ "I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% of how I react to it" (Charles R. Swindoll)

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Tenzen12 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012	Two years is more then enough, though. That's exactly what's called prolonged. Not to mention main characters usually starts at their teenage years. __________________ "I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% of how I react to it" (Charles R. Swindoll)

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wuhugm Confused Shark Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Atlantis	Finally an MC that joins a group Thank god __________________ ------------------------------------------ [SPOILER] Manga, Anime, & LN Where The Girl MC Ended Up With Is Not The Main Heroine All My Threads

Today, 05:14	Link #10731
Tenzen12 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012	I prefer MC who is part of collective myself. Being "unique snowflake" is too mainstream and let's be honest 9/10 super pretentious. __________________ "I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% of how I react to it" (Charles R. Swindoll)

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dragon1412 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: somewhere in Asia	most webnovel is amateur though, so detail character thought process is fairly rare, since it required really good writing skill without making it out of place.

2021-04-07, 02:30	Link #10722
Garn Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2016	Infuriates a lot when the MC is left with a complex generated by someone who despises him and sees him as scum. Worse when his allies praise him but he does not believe them and continues to trust the words of those who despise him. Even worse when the complex turns out to be something of great value but you still don't believe it. And finally, the complex is something that is created without anything really traumatic or with a lot of time of some kind of continuous abuse. The class bully: You're stupid The jap MC: Yes I am

2021-04-07, 06:54	Link #10724
Amelgar Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2016	i.e. people with such low self-esteem they accept any reason to feel bad about themselves.

2021-04-07, 13:36	Link #10726
Garn Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2016	Do not try to put real issues where it does not fit, a real sample only happens in more serious novels that are more scarce In the vast majority the MC is told that he is useless at an age that he has a developed brain and is told by characters who have obvious enmity. Apart from the fact that it does not go through a stage of prolonged abuse (an average of 2 years maximum to a few days) and the abuse is done only with words (simple words). While the MC is not alone (or it is shown later that he was not alone) and if he has allies who continue to support him. That is, the MC does not live in a dysfunctional family with an environment that promotes trauma and continuous abuse of him. This is a Japanese cliche, where they mix silly "gaman" culture and an unnecessary low self-confidence+ not wanting to stand out. When someone who suffers from this for a short time or that is not serious abuse tries to do something to prove otherwise There are countless novels where the MC was active and capable but he was told that he is useless and on the same day he believes it and stops trying and lowers his head

Today, 05:01	Link #10730
dragon1412 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: somewhere in Asia	lol. I actually prefer MC that swing alone more than MC that join guilds or big groups.

Today, 07:10	Link #10732
dragon1412 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: somewhere in Asia	I think that's more because the authors tend to try to make MC stand out way too much, I mean, when making a solo MC, I prefer it if the MC isn't too famous unless there are plot significant to it. Since MC being famous actually kill a lot of advantage of MC freedom in solo case.