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Old 2016-10-22, 04:24   Link #741
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ch162

it is translated

we get some infos about neighbors and old border,

than kuga defats hyuse with 12 to 8 in a off-screen battle,
the impressive part: thanks to hyuse having the horns he has a enhanced trion capacity and control, to boot, his forte is trion manipulation which is one key factor in order to use viper like nasu or izumi, seems like hyuse will become the third person in border history who can manipulate each bullet after firing it

now kuga meets with kageura and tha sleep-and-learn boy,
chika meets with other snipers,

and the next chapter will show us the tactics for the upcoming battle
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Old 2016-10-29, 12:29   Link #742
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Old 2016-10-29, 16:54   Link #743
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Run Chika, run, wild pedobear is after you!
She'll be fine, Yuzuru seems to be trying to be a knight in shinning armor for her after all.
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Old 2016-10-29, 18:49   Link #744
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Yeah, but Arafune was right. Instead of being a white knight who "sacrifices himself" aka surrenders, he should just get good enough to protect her himself on that expedition mission. In other words, "be a man!". Plus he gets to spend an entire trip with his crush, there's bound to be some development. Plus after Yuuma saying that stuff, Yuzuru gotta prove that he and his team are no push-overs who get taken in by a team that just started this season.
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Old 2016-10-29, 19:08   Link #745
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Yeah, but Arafune was right. Instead of being a white knight who "sacrifices himself" aka surrenders, he should just get good enough to protect her himself on that expedition mission. In other words, "be a man!". Plus he gets to spend an entire trip with his crush, there's bound to be some development. Plus after Yuuma saying that stuff, Yuzuru gotta prove that he and his team are no push-overs who get taken in by a team that just started this season.
It'd be nice if Yuzuru got serious about Chika, but it's not very realistic to expect him to be a better protector than Yuma + Osamu. And he's right that Chika'd be more comfortable with her squadmates around. He and Chika are on friendly terms, but it's not to that level. (Best solution: everyone goes.)

That makes me think - I wonder what they'll do for operators? Especially since T-1 and T-2 share Usami.
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Old 2016-10-29, 19:46   Link #746
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It'd be nice if Yuzuru got serious about Chika, but it's not very realistic to expect him to be a better protector than Yuma + Osamu. And he's right that Chika'd be more comfortable with her squadmates around. He and Chika are on friendly terms, but it's not to that level. (Best solution: everyone goes.)

That makes me think - I wonder what they'll do for operators? Especially since T-1 and T-2 share Usami.
Has it been confirmed that Tamakoma 1 has been chosen? Well since this isn't a normal expedition, so i guess it is very highly that they will.
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Old 2016-10-29, 23:38   Link #747
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That makes me think - I wonder what they'll do for operators? Especially since T-1 and T-2 share Usami.
Yuri was probably Tamakoma's operator before Usami transferred there. I'd imagine she'd resume the role for T-1, regardless of whether or not T-1 goes on the expedition.
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Old 2016-11-02, 08:24   Link #748
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Raw's out already. Or Korean Raw or whatever.

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Old 2016-11-02, 16:45   Link #749
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Has it been confirmed that Tamakoma 1 has been chosen? Well since this isn't a normal expedition, so i guess it is very highly that they will.
If they don't go, the problem becomes "one unit has zero operators" instead of "one operator has two units". But maybe Krono's right and Yuri's also an operator and will resume duties as such.

I was also thinking: if T2 + Yuzuru go, maybe Yuzuru will take Chika's place in the field. As her primary role will be as a battery for the ship. Yuzuru's not a monster like Chika, but he's very skilled and he can shoot people. So there's that.
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Old 2016-11-03, 11:23   Link #750
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Osamu's gut is bound to be in the right. The more time goes without change the easier it's going to be for people to adapt to them. I don't blame him for wanting to try something to change things up. But I also agree it might not be the right move. Osamu only has so much trion. He can't afford to add a new one into the mix and lower his reserves and he certainly can't afford to try and adapt to losing one of the triggers he has equipped.

Will have to hope that adding Hyuse will be enough of an edge for them.
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Old 2016-11-03, 14:51   Link #751
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Ugh, that death flag of Osamu, why do I feel that the other team would gank on them in the next round. they increase the threat level of their team, to much that others can't ignore them now.
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Old 2016-11-03, 14:56   Link #752
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Osamu's gut is bound to be in the right. The more time goes without change the easier it's going to be for people to adapt to them. I don't blame him for wanting to try something to change things up. But I also agree it might not be the right move. Osamu only has so much trion. He can't afford to add a new one into the mix and lower his reserves and he certainly can't afford to try and adapt to losing one of the triggers he has equipped.
More than the trion, I'd worry about his not taking the time to master his skills. It's not like he's any kind of genius. If it was just the trion, maybe he could drop his sub trigger shield and make do with just the raygust? It's not like a shield could do all that much for him and his low trion. Has it ever blocked something?

Yuma's lack of flexibility kinda surprised me, though. Why would another trigger cause him problems? I thought maybe he could add asteroid, since his BT has "bolts".
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Old 2016-11-03, 15:20   Link #753
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Has it ever blocked something?
it blocked the projectiles from hyuses trigger in the invasion..

anway, i agree, i also think osamu should first try to master his current weapons before adding new ones,

the raygust+thruster and asteroid combo does has a view ways of fighting,

osamu could first master the shapeshifting part of raygust, than he could constantly pressure enemys with a sword shaped raygust for offense while weak but still lethal asteroid will be stopping his attackers from taking down their own shield, thereofre they wont be able to use one trigger slot,
with thruster he would gain immense speed and momentarily striking strength,
if he is clashing against a kogetsu user and forces him to constantly use his shield he could easily use thruster and with a little shapeshifting kill the enemy by first coming close enough and than turning the raygust into something like a sense....

and there is still the way to create a mini-zone of wires for himself where the enemy will be pressured by constant asteroid or suspended asteroids and osamu with raygust+thruster...

the thing osamu lacks is experience, he must fight A LOT more people on his own lvl, he would be able to than lvl up a lot better than to try and catch up with the big shots in such a short amount of time,

i know he is pressured but all he can do in the team now is to specialize into lowering the enemys chances and increasing his teams chances,

for personal increase, i would say he must train with people slightly better than him, or he simply must use raygust so much in self training that he finally discovers all the possibilitys
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Old 2016-11-04, 14:03   Link #754
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Yuma's lack of flexibility kinda surprised me, though. Why would another trigger cause him problems? I thought maybe he could add asteroid, since his BT has "bolts".
Because of muscle memories. It appears that switching triggers is like playing video game. The agent notable for her amazing switching speed is Katori, so far, who is a gamer. So what Yuuma is saying is that he has just developed muscle memories for his set, so he doesn't want to mess it up and switch to the wrong trigger at the wrong time.
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Old 2016-11-04, 15:00   Link #755
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That would be understandable if it was about swapping out a current trigger for a new one. But it's just about filling a free space.
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Old 2016-11-04, 15:16   Link #756
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Think is Yuma right now know both limits and possibilities of his current set up. When something he will pretty much use most optimal solution without much of thinking. And using new trigger could mess his pace.
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Old 2016-11-04, 22:56   Link #757
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More than the trion, I'd worry about his not taking the time to master his skills. It's not like he's any kind of genius. If it was just the trion, maybe he could drop his sub trigger shield and make do with just the raygust? It's not like a shield could do all that much for him and his low trion. Has it ever blocked something?

Yuma's lack of flexibility kinda surprised me, though. Why would another trigger cause him problems? I thought maybe he could add asteroid, since his BT has "bolts".
Yuuma said it himself, even his black trigger is uses with Replica suggestions to increase the variations he had. Adding a new trigger is... using game term, adding a new weapon type or changing the character you occasionally use in a fighting game. Your skill work on both, but there is no way you could have as many moves with your new character compare to your old, you can't expect an expert with Ragna to suddenly become a skilled expert at Arakune.
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Old 2016-11-05, 03:53   Link #758
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Yuuma said it himself, even his black trigger is uses with Replica suggestions to increase the variations he had.
I think Replica was just there for compound seals, and the acquisition of new ones.

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Adding a new trigger is... using game term, adding a new weapon type or changing the character you occasionally use in a fighting game. Your skill work on both, but there is no way you could have as many moves with your new character compare to your old, you can't expect an expert with Ragna to suddenly become a skilled expert at Arakune.
No, because different characters have different skill sets. Here, we're just talking about adding a trigger. He can just use mostly his old style till he's used to the new one. Heck, he was ready to go with grasshoper in less than a day. Not at the level he's now, but ready for combat.
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Old 2016-11-05, 05:24   Link #759
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I think Replica was just there for compound seals, and the acquisition of new ones.



No, because different characters have different skill sets. Here, we're just talking about adding a trigger. He can just use mostly his old style till he's used to the new one. Heck, he was ready to go with grasshoper in less than a day. Not at the level he's now, but ready for combat.
It was mentioned in the chapter vs the old man of afokraptor. When Yuuma let Replica go help Osamu, Replica said it at that time that by spearting from him, Yuuma variations will decrease.

I was talking about the skill set of each trigger, Yuuma can pull off Mantis, legblade,... with scorpion, an additional new trigger would messed up that balance and there is no way Yuuma could get the varition with the new trigger down in time for battle. Sure, if he was facing low-mid tier B rank or C rank then Yuuma could affort to test out new trigger. But with new one, he pretty much have to forgoes it in battle without any training, and since equip it alone take additional trion, it make much more sense to not equip it rather than just equip it and let it sit there.

The point is, they are going into a real battle with top tier fighters. Yuuma is a front attacker, he can't afford to slip up during combat.
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Old 2016-11-05, 06:47   Link #760
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We shouldn't forget that Murakami, who has like the side effect to remember everything perfectly after sleeping, compared Yuuma's with Midorikawa's Grasshopper and thought Midorikawa Grasshopper "Pinball" is sharper/more skilled than Yuuma*s use of it and that was after Yuuma had Grasshopper for a couple days. But Yuuma's real skill is his unorthodox way of using triggers, like how he made the Grasshopper a "land mine" for Murakami to step on or to accelerate Chika's escape and such.
Yuuma's real use of Grasshopper when he used it first was to surprise the opponent teams and later keep surprising them with new tactics. I'm sure he can come up with even more used for Grasshopper like he did with using them as feint against Arafune or as using them to shot projectiles against Oki in the last match.

So I can see why he argues that he can't imagine a new trigger in his current set that will bebefit him much or add much surprised to his enemies. His Grasshopper trigger surprised his opponents because he keeps using it in a way they are not used to but there are only so many ways you can use Kosetsu or Meteor or Viper in a battle.
I could imagine teleport being used in Tamakoma 2's team someday though, seems like a trigger they would have a lot of fun with. Though it seems more a "Leader" type of trigger to be used and less of an "Ace" one.
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