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Its alternate history you will likely see even more real life buildings there
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Its really hard to tell though cause the map is rather crude.
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2016-10-02, 14:59 | Link #82 | |
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Other than Eylstadt it's pretty much the historical borders of 1939. Well, they were so good and decided to place Austria as seperate instead of just turning it into the Greater Germanian Reich. Liechtenstein is so small. No problem in just ignoring that.
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2016-10-02, 17:17 | Link #83 |
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Strong first episode, I hadn't intention to see it since I don't like much magic, but I really liked it, well almost, not much from the moment izetta woke up, so I'll give the three ep. rule, Fine is really a fine princess and I'm glad to have a strong protagonist, so if the show doesn't bend too much into the magic territory but manages to balance it out I should be fine. Again the first episode was very good so I hope it keeps it up.
About fine being to good, well, I generally prefer a more realistic approach and given the context so it seems, Fine is a strong girl within a WW2 scenario where her country is not, so she has to be strong otherwise all the work would have been put on the witch shoulders. Instead here it may shape out as Fine is the brain and Izetta the brown, sort of.
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2016-10-02, 18:30 | Link #84 |
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My impression so far: very fragile. I liked the first episode, but I am worried about the future. Given the setting and tone I have a rather low suspension of disbelieve. It's 1940, the allies are not strong enough to attack and the soviets military organization at the moment isn't adequat either. If they are going with "We will stay independant" good end Elystadt will have to hold out for years. On the other hand the first episode seemed more diplomacy/espionage like, but at that point in time there just isn't very much to be done that way. Maybe Italy and Hungary could flip, there wasn't anything said about these two? Other options would be a guerillia/resistance approach, or they go into exile somewhere, I am very sceptical about the first and the second seems to be ruled out by the princess big speach at the end and what that specops major said earlier (though convincing her to do so could be turned into a plot point).
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2016-10-02, 20:56 | Link #87 |
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I like the Princess. I had expected the Witch, Izzeta, to have a slightly different personality but I guess it may be too soon to know. I'll give this show a few more episodes.
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2016-10-03, 01:19 | Link #88 | ||
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Well, I did say I was giving it one more episode, didn't I?
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2016-10-03, 02:35 | Link #89 |
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Yeah, Eylstadt seems to be a small portion of Austria, while most of not-Austria seems to have been taken over by germany, just like in the real world, while most of this episode seems to happen in Switzerland.
The choice to name the NotHitler as "Emperor" is baffling though as the very idea of Hitler's manipulation of society relied on NOT calling himself that. His regime was supposed to reject the ideas of "old monarchy" that failed them the WW1. Its why he chose a new title for himself instead of Kaiser or Emperor. Unless there's some HUGE reason for it here(ex: maybe he was assassinated or something?), there's no way a nazi regime would be led by someone calling themselves "emperor" or "kaiser". Yet the social structure seems to be the same, cown to secret police and experimentation and they still use the exact same tactics Nazi Germany did. Unless this is usual japanese apologism at play her to "erase" fascism from the story, there HAS to be a plausible logical reason for that. I just hope "NotGermany" does not end up being portrayed as "misguided" or "misunderstood" or something, because ughhh, no, shouldn't have made this a not-WW2 then. |
2016-10-03, 03:09 | Link #90 | |
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What I mean, is that what they aimed to is balancing the settings, characterization has all the time of the series, but if you set a premise too unbalanced it will be hard to patch up without having to force things for example relying too much on the magic elements (aka like having to make the witch OP or the like). Speaking of character growth I don't think you always need to have a character to go from point A to point B to have a rounded character. You can expand and work making him/her complex without having to develop from bad to good. Honestly I find this kind of approach a bit simplistic; a more interesting approach to take would be to flash the characters out starting from their dynamics, using it to make make them rounded. An example for me is Worrick and Nicolas from GANGSTA in comparison to Orga and Mika from Gundam IBO. While both series had their problems, both couples had a great start in their own universes, but while Okada wasted all the chemistry and charm of her characters letting them get stale because reasons, GANGSTA made a very remarkable work with Worrick and Nicolas, and in half of the time, or even less, considering the big troubles the studio was having. So, they can (not sure if they will) take this route, it's just that is more difficult to write. Having said that I don't know how they will deal with them here, so I can see your doubts, the magical elements makes me always very sceptical because they tend to take over, that's why I usually stay away from magical shows. So if you don't like strong characters well, it's fine ()
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2016-10-03, 03:30 | Link #91 | ||
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2016-10-03, 04:46 | Link #92 | |
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In any case it's all up to the writing quality, as usual. I mean, so far I'm glad to have a levelheaded and competent princess, the usual idealistic princess would not have worked here, given the realistic context she has been put into (letting aside the witch). As I said, there's all the time to round her, flashing out her fragility, I'd say for one, that she has been staying strong during the whole episode, that's the impression I got. But if they had failed establishing the balance of the settings making her weak that would be a bigger problem (for me of course). Of course they could have made both, but considering the whole length of the episode they did a pretty good job with her characterization, sure nothing got thrown at our faces, but some subtlety is always welcomed, opposed to the heavy hand writing (if not just bad writing) I've come across lately. My point is there's room here, but I get your point. I'd be fine anyways, but it's just a matter of tastes, I prefer a more static character to a dynamic one if said dynamic character will undermine the story coherence or its realism, but of course YMMV.
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2016-10-03, 05:24 | Link #93 | |
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I think the only such character I ever liked was Hajime from Gatchaman Crowds, but only because she was more a representation of an ideal than an actual character, and the show was pretty self-aware in that respect. That gave her a depth static characters usually don't have. She still made everyone else look bad in caparison though. Like I said, it's perfectly possible for a very competent character to have some emotional flaw or fragility.
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2016-10-03, 08:02 | Link #94 |
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That's not really how it works. Being fully realized character by no means mean perfect. It just means character in question know his/her limits and role to play. Fine is good example, she is strong-willed and probably decent diplomate, but she is no fighter, that's why she had her bodyguards and now witch girl. Everyone can shine in their own field of expertise.
That said I doubt Fine is experienced and capable enough to get best possible results facing Germania war machinery at this point.
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2016-10-03, 08:06 | Link #95 | |
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You call it one dimensional, I call it needed. There's a war going on and people in her position need to be all-bearing pillars while the war is going on. She also spent all of 5 minutes not being chased or captive, not exactly a great time to expect her to show her fragile flower side. |
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2016-10-03, 10:09 | Link #99 |
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Reminds me a lot of Maria no Junketsuu, just with modern weapons and only one witch it seems. Looks great so far, though I doubt a single witch can beat an entire evil realm by herself if she was already taken prisoner before after wiping out just one company. Certainly her magic is strong given what she just did to that plane, but even she is only one girl against an entire army/spy network/secret service/assassins/traitors/etc. She and Finé probably gonna need Britannia or even Amiland or Russkia help or whatever their names are in that universe to win against Germania.
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