Danganronpa - Episode 8 Discussion / Poll

[Solitaired]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

Granted, the intensity of Sakura and Aoi's friendship was maybe a bit surprising, what with Sakura going totally super-saiyan over finding out that Aoi had been attacked.

Once again, the anime left out a lot of character interactions. Like how they left out Celes and Yamada's relationship which makes anime viewers wonder why she picked him as her accomplice. Sakura and Aoi became best friends almost immediately, with Chihiro part of their circle as well. And Sakura shows many acts of kindness and consideration towards the others as well; not just Aoi alone. So she is another one on the top list of "doesn't deserve to die".

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

Still, I find it funny the anime shows a rule, to immediately break it by the end of it... good job lerche staff.

That was hilarious. I don't get how they managed to fuck this up. Not including the explanation of why it was fine to force the door open is fine, but adding a lock? What were they thinking? Naegi should have punished in the anime, there's no way around it. This makes Monokuma seem incompetent, and downplays something I can't talk about yet.

Originally Posted by AC-Phoenix

WoW they totally played down how mad Kirigiri actually was lol

I'm grateful for that. This part of the game was so bad. They give you the choice to either tell Kirigiri or not, but even if you choose to tell her, the game forces you to make the other choice resulting in Kirigiri being mad as hell at Naegi for the entire chapter. Talk about forced drama.

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

If anything, I find Makoto and Kirigiri's relationship more out of the blue. Aoi and Sakura got along early on, and they look like the type to get attached easily.

But what has there been between Makoto and Kirigiri for them to expect much trust from each other?

Well, I can get why Kirigiri gravitated towards Makoto. Makoto did a good job in the first trial in nailing Leon. Based on that, and his personality in general, Makoto probably struck Kirigiri as being the person with the best combination of smarts and trustworthiness (Togami and Celes are/were arguably smarter, but also less trustworthy). That's the ideal person to team up with in this sort of scenario.

As for Makoto, well, I think he probably was initially flattered at having a cool, cute girl approach him the way Kirigiri did. From there, he largely reciprocated her friendliness and trust and the two forged a bit of a friendship that way. It helped that Makoto was somewhat isolated after Maizono's death, and that Kirigiri also doesn't appear to have a close friend amongst the other students.

That's what I take from the anime anyway. The game is almost certainly much more extensive and detailed here.

[Dengar]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

It is quite unfortunate they couldn't pull the character interactions before so it becomes a bit awkward here considering how close Sakura/Aoi and Kyouko/Makoto are by the time we reach this arc. It was going more on the development tangeant despite it was a succession of investigations and trials thus far.

Spoiler for Game Comparison:

I'm not sure what you mean. Naegi and Kirigiri weren't close at all. Or did you forget that Kirigiri was being a complete condescending guilt-tripping bitch to Naegi throughout the entire arc until right before the murder when she suddenly "forgives" him?

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

Well, I can get why Kirigiri gravitated towards Makoto. Makoto did a good job in the first trial in nailing Leon. Based on that, and his personality in general, Makoto probably struck Kirigiri as being the person with the best combination of smarts and trustworthiness (Togami and Celes are/were arguably smarter, but also less trustworthy). That's the ideal person to team up with in this sort of scenario.

As for Makoto, well, I think he probably was initially flattered at having a cool, cute girl approach him the way Kirigiri did. From there, he largely reciprocated her friendliness and trust and the two forged a bit of a friendship that way. It helped that Makoto was somewhat isolated after Maizono's death, and that Kirigiri also doesn't appear to have a close friend amongst the other students.

That's what I take from the anime anyway. The game is almost certainly much more extensive and detailed here.

All true. But considering how guarded she is, that's not enough to explain why she'd feel betrayed if there isn't absolute trust between them.

[Dengar]

She's not all bad but she has serious trust issues. I mean, really bad.

[Kirito]

Really great episode and really surprising that Sakura of all people is dead. I'm interested in how the the killer was able to do the act and seal the room after. I'm really glad that this series had a Seal Room Murder premise considering I watched an episode of Detective Conan with a really excellent Seal Room Murder episode. I forget the episode number, but if people should it, it's really good.

Anyway... back to the point. It's too early to point fingers, but Aoi is the most likely suspect in this case considering that is she close to Sakura, so it's pretty easy to let her guard down considering that their friendship is too deep and noticeable since the beginning. It's still to early to say Aoi is the culprit, but we still need to hear the testimonies from the people whom she suspects could have a hand in the murder.

Kyoko's blushing face was really adorable. Which we can see that more often since she's the dutiful and always business type, and breaking down that wall won't be easy. But at least it shows that she's actually willing to welcome Makoto to help and understand her a little, the fact that she angry at him regarding Sakura's involvement with the Puppetmaster is an example to this. Looks like we have a pairing. A little late, but Dwarven Vow #41: It's better to begin in the evening, than not begin at all.

Has anyone else found this weird? I mean, the hidden room that Kyoko found, and Makoto investigated was pretty much cleared out and yet there were cables he could use to connect to the open net freely. Doesn't that look a little too strange? I mean isn't the goal of the Puppetmaster or who could be working for him to restrict all access or knowledge of the outside? Pretty suspicious...

Originally Posted by Triple_R

Let's face it, Yasuhiro is a wimp. I really have a hard time seeing him attempting to kill the huge and powerful Sakura.

He just doesn't have the brains or the focus to attempt a murder, and even if he did the dude is just too clumsy. He'll most like leave the murder weapon, crucial evidence, or drop his ID leaving an easy and obvious trail back to him or whatever.

[Dengar]

^On the other hand, Hagakure is very good at incriminating himself for stuff he didn't too. XD

[Klashikari]

Originally Posted by Dengar

Spoiler for Game Comparison:

I'm not sure what you mean. Naegi and Kirigiri weren't close at all. Or did you forget that Kirigiri was being a complete condescending guilt-tripping bitch to Naegi throughout the entire arc until right before the murder when she suddenly "forgives" him?

Spoiler for Relationship between Kyouko and Makoto, game up to chapter 4:

It isn't like Kyouko was going buddy buddy with Makoto at all, but it was obvious in the game, starting from the end of Case 1 that Kyouko sees some potential in Makoto, hence why she sort of lead him during the trials from there (though it is mainly served as a way to assist the player).
If we consider the social links, Kyouko is also considering Makoto's point of view, but she keeps her stance in order not to falter during the investigations (and another reason that will be exposed later on obviously).

That's also the reason why presenting Kyouko barely unaffected and Makoto concerned she was "mad" was sort of silly, considering you don't have the impression she was really affected by Makoto's "betrayal".
That further implies she can be riled up to a certain extent, despite her analytical behaviour. Even it was certainly not pleasant, it actually gives some other aspect of her character, a bit like how Aoi is quick to chastise Byakuya and co regarding Sakura prior the murder.

Considering Kyouko was always acting alone, the very fact the one who seeked for her assistance and trust immediately failed to give a reciprocated relationship is the straw in this kind of situation. Likewise, the game gives a good description of Makoto's POV regarding Kyouko.
In fact, the very fact she was that pissed off indicate clearly she was opening up to Makoto, but the backlash made her react in an exaggerated fashion. Otherwise, she would be really not giving a crap to Makoto a bit how she dismiss Byakuya's senselessness.

This is why I'm complaining about the lack of interactions that didn't render correctly Kyouko and Makoto's relationship. And at this point of the game, it is actually "close" although it isn't nowhere close to how it is compared to Aoi/Sakura or Mondo/Kyotaka.

[White Manju Bun]

Oh gosh before I continue, please tell me theres game footage of Aoi slapping Togami

This one is hard to pin down....am I the only one thinking the 16th student might be responsible?

Honestly even after I read Klash's first post of what they left out, I didn't really have any issue with this epi with it being rushed or anything. I quite liked it. Very interested to see what happens, I just cant see any of the current students doing it...


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Originally Posted by Clarami

Has anyone else found this weird? I mean, the hidden room that Kyoko found, and Makoto investigated was pretty much cleared out and yet there were cables he could use to connect to the open net freely. Doesn't that look a little too strange? I mean isn't the goal of the Puppetmaster or who could be working for him to restrict all access or knowledge of the outside? Pretty suspicious...

I totally thought the same thing, when he opened that drawer I was like "are you kidding me?". Naegi was ATTACKED in that room and theyre gonna leave AE there alone? Not smart.

[ChampDream]

I really enjoy this episode
so it look like we found some mysterious room.
Sakura's death look nothing like a murder to me, the pose of the body was like she felt asleep and never wake up and she was smiling, we can also add there was poison in that room, so suicide or maybe she was kill by Asahina
I found funny how many time Yasuhiro is incriminated
now I have one question is Alter Ego still connected to the school network?

[White Manju Bun]

Originally Posted by ChampDream

now I have one question is Alter Ego still connected to the school network?

I believe so since he makes it sound like it might take some time.

Also anyone else noticed the magazine with Junko on it during the investigation footage?

[jeroz]

Those bottles, hmmmm. I figure that the head injury is caused by the shattered bottle, but what caused the second one? Doubt you could smash her head two times without her stopping you...

[White Manju Bun]

Originally Posted by Solitaired

Once again, the anime left out a lot of character interactions. Like how they left out Celes and Yamada's relationship which makes anime viewers wonder why she picked him as her accomplice. Sakura and Aoi became best friends almost immediately, with Chihiro part of their circle as well. And Sakura shows many acts of kindness and consideration towards the others as well; not just Aoi alone. So she is another one on the top list of "doesn't deserve to die".

I don't agree, Im with R in that though the anime might not include everything it's pretty easy to see the connection with Aoi/Sakura and Naegi/Kirigiri. I wasnt questioning Celes choosing Yamada at all, even though the royal milk incident was brief you could see Yamada's reaction to upsetting her, thats all I needed.

We cant see everything but I dont think the anime is hindering the relationship side of everyone.

[Sute443]

Originally Posted by White Manju Bun

This one is hard to pin down....am I the only one thinking the 16th student might be responsible?

I doubt #16 is responsible for this one. It Sakura's death were #16's doing, #16 would have to get killed off at the next trial. Seems like a waste of all the build-up to the existence of another student.

Originally Posted by White Manju Bun

I totally thought the same thing, when he opened that drawer I was like "are you kidding me?". Naegi was ATTACKED in that room and theyre gonna leave AE there alone? Not smart.

It makes perfect sense if Alter-Ego is a prop set up by the mastermind. Yes, I'm STILL on that. At this point everything involving Alter-Ego is either terrible writing, or set up by the mastermind.

[jeroz]

Yes, let's discredit Fujisaki's title as the genius programmer because god forbids a trap to be smart

[Klashikari]

And just for the record: you learn with the social links that Chihiro was already working on a AI prior the current events, although he wasn't completely done with it.
Suspension of disbelief notwithstanding, it is within the character and plot setup to have Alter Ego created this way. Past that, it is up to people to think if it was bugged by Monokuma to begin with or not. Although it doesn't make sense for Monokuma to blatantly make an AI suggesting it should be connected to the network.

At least it is much more believable than Monokuma's antics or Sakura's body evolution from middle school to high school.

[Solitaired]

Originally Posted by Sute443

It makes perfect sense if Alter-Ego is a prop set up by the mastermind. Yes, I'm STILL on that. At this point everything involving Alter-Ego is either terrible writing, or set up by the mastermind.

When even game players tell u likewise, I have no idea how you can still be doubtful on Alter Ego. If anything happens to him I hope you can give an apology. No ill intent here.

[hamazura]

errr.. why the hell the door was locked? -_-

[ninetail1989]

Another obvious murder..

Asahina!....felt betrayed by Sakura...she went n face her and tried to knock her dead with blunt object but clearly doesn't have enough str to do so....Sakura understand Asahina feelings...and came up with a solution...she drank the protein powder thingy mention earlier...then ask Asahina to get out and lock the room by herself....asking Asahina to frame the other 3 people...

just why Sakura was smilling knowing she died trying to help her fren..