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Old 2009-07-22, 20:52   Link #201
Fate21
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I agree with Mai Tokiha If there are no criticize, people will not consider their act, sure sometimes it's harsh but it can't be help. People always hurt another people.
Even i had a friend that her parents doesn't really care about her. If she had a good grade, her parents does not flatter her and will criticize her for not had better grade. Even she must manage her own to enter a university.

But i agree with Ledgem too. Not all criticism is for your own good, sometimes it can make people become down or pessimist. And sometimes the people who criticize doesn't really care about it.
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Old 2009-07-22, 20:54   Link #202
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Indeed. We don't have to listen to anyone. If we're happy the way we are, why should we bother to change ourselves just to please people? They should accept us for who we are. Personally, I am bubbly and cheerful but I have people telling me I'm childish. But who cares? I like myself the way I am! ^_^
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Old 2009-07-22, 20:57   Link #203
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That's absolutely right
I like being childish too, it's like i'm always young XD
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Old 2009-07-22, 21:06   Link #204
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i type lazy on message boards because hey, internet message boards

i can and have written scientific papers for peer reviewed entomological journals, can and have written 10k+ word count stories that were then sold for publication, etc. forum posts should be judged on ideas, perception, and humor, not spellcheck
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Old 2009-07-22, 21:17   Link #205
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i can and have written scientific papers for peer reviewed entomological journals, can and have written 10k+ word count stories that were then sold for publication, etc. forum posts should be judged on ideas, perception, and humor, not spellcheck
Wicked (and I'm intrigued at the story thing), but I think there's a discrepancy here.

A lot of people who complains *ahem, complained, it's been a while* in this thread makes the cut-off not at the Chicago Manual of Style but at simple readability. If your post fails on readability, it affects everything else. Bad*.

*yes, yes "badly."

And then there's the pet peeve thing...I mean theirs teh pet peeve thing, you know.
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Old 2009-07-22, 21:39   Link #206
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Well I guess it's something related to proper "internet etiquette," as they call it, that you should type with proper grammar since, yes, there are people who get annoyed when they're reading posts that look like text messages. It kinda makes the post annoying and more difficult to read especially when the reader cannot understand the words or shortcut words you are typing.

In my opinion, if you know decent english, just type properly. It shouldn't make you exert too much effort. It's almost like a mini finger exercise.

If you're not really skilled in english, then just try the best you can. In my opinion, it's forgiveable because you're trying but you should make sure it's sensible and that people can at least grasp the idea you're trying to express. It's also expected that there will be people who will make fun of you because of your mistakes but you should just ignore them.

But when readers just want to criticize you just because you're not skilled in the english language or because you put up special signs in your post, you can ignore them.

I honestly get annoyed when people post with alternating capital, small letters. I just don't really find it really necessary.

e.g DoN't yOu JuSt HaTe wHeN peOpLe cRiTiciZe the wAy yOU tYpe.

Well yeah, it's cute, but it can get annoying when used excessively.
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Old 2009-07-22, 21:47   Link #207
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And then there's the pet peeve thing...I mean theirs teh pet peeve thing, you know.
i post on a board that has a smiley for 'their-there-theyre' its a gif that shows one of the three in the default font size and style and switches from one to the next like every fifteen seconds, created for the sole purpose of messing with people
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Old 2009-07-22, 21:52   Link #208
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i can and have written scientific papers for peer reviewed entomological journals, can and have written 10k+ word count stories that were then sold for publication, etc. forum posts should be judged on ideas, perception, and humor, not spellcheck
Sorry dude, not impressed. I've found tons of errors, both grammatical and spelling, in peer-reviewed journals (admittedly not entomological journals, but I somehow doubt that zoologists are any better off than molecular biologists!) as well as published novels. Errors are distracting at best, and can mar the message that the person is trying to convey at worst. If you have the ability, use it. You don't need to run with spell check or proof-read your forum posts (although that can help for clarity), but a bit of effort goes a long way.

I don't think that it's particularly difficult, at least, although I recognize that not everyone may feel that way.
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Old 2009-07-22, 22:29   Link #209
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It's understandable if English isn't your first language or if you're dyslexic or something. But I find that talking to a person who doesn't know how to type at all can be a real bother.

I understand mistakes like a typo here or there or if you don't have spell check and you're just trying to get the message out. If it's coherent and you show that you didn't purposely type lazily, then I don't really mind. I often make mistakes and have bad habits, such as my use of ellipses and things previously mentioned like "ummm", "uhhhh", and "like". My typing is far from perfect, but I do try not to make it painful to read.

I absolutely despise when people mix up "You're" and "Your" or "Their", "There", "They're" and other similar words. I usually don't say anything at first, but if it keeps happening over and over again I'll eventually tell you or hint. If after that you still use the wrong word then I'll be a bit more annoyed. This problem is more of a pet peeve though, I at least understand what most mean. Once again, people who aren't that fluent in English or don't know all of the little rules are exempt from this pet peeve of mine.

The problem lies when somebody posts something completely incoherent and expects you to understand what they say. If English isn't your first language then I'll completely understand, and try my best to make sense of what was said without offending the person. But if the person is as fluent in English as I am, I'll get annoyed. I just think it's rude to expect somebody to basically "translate" what you said in their mind, but that's just me.
So whenever I see a post or something that's written (imo) horribly, I'll most likely just skip over it and not take it seriously.

When I type, I sometimes proof read what I wrote, if I don't know how to spell something, sometimes I'll look it up before posting it. I don't mind spending the extra minute or two. Sometimes if I'm in a rush, I can't exactly do that though, but I at least try to make it understandable. If I make a spelling mistake in an internet chat room, I'll usually correct myself. Sometimes a typo or two might just change the meaning of something, so it's best to be at least a little aware of what you're putting down.
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Old 2009-07-22, 22:49   Link #210
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Sorry dude, not impressed. I've found tons of errors, both grammatical and spelling, in peer-reviewed journals (admittedly not entomological journals, but I somehow doubt that zoologists are any better off than molecular biologists!) as well as published novels. Errors are distracting at best, and can mar the message that the person is trying to convey at worst. If you have the ability, use it. You don't need to run with spell check or proof-read your forum posts (although that can help for clarity), but a bit of effort goes a long way.

I don't think that it's particularly difficult, at least, although I recognize that not everyone may feel that way.
if youre still talking about posting on message boards, youre missing my point: internet message boards

speaking of papers and such, yeah effort is a good thing
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Old 2009-07-22, 22:55   Link #211
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Normally if ones posting is unintelligible for one reason or another, it's a good indicator of the post to follow suit.

Saves time.
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Old 2009-07-22, 23:22   Link #212
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I actually judge people based on the way they type on the internet. Well, in Dutch at least, since I'm not quite the English language-specialist. I did pass English at the top of my class though, and I thought the people that made huge errors were.. a bit lacking. I don't even want to look at posts made by people who don't even seem to want to make the effort to type a full 'you' and type 'u' instead. Sure, they can be nice in real life, but I just can't stand the way some people type.

I sure hope my English grammar was correct.
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Old 2009-07-22, 23:53   Link #213
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I don't really care as long as i can understand it And not all people in this forum has fluent english, especially grammar.
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Old 2009-07-23, 01:15   Link #214
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One thing that annoys me a bit is when someone quotes a post, corrects the quoted poster's grammar, and bold prints the correction to put it to the attention of everybody, especially when it's not a glaring error. It just screams 'I'm better than you' in an arrogant way. Doing it for humor is something I've never had problem with, though.

(I'm pretty sure my sentence structure is screwed up somewhere up there.)
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Old 2009-07-23, 01:39   Link #215
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One thing that annoys me a bit is when someone quotes a post, corrects the quoted poster's grammar, and bold prints the correction to put it to the attention of everybody, especially when it's not a glaring error. It just screams 'I'm better than you' in an arrogant way. Doing it for humor is something I've never had problem with, though.

(I'm pretty sure my sentence structure is screwed up somewhere up there.)
You said it! That is just rude. It'd be better to just tell the person nicely through your post.
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Old 2009-07-23, 07:48   Link #216
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Maybe they didn't mean to be arrogant, after all they're trying to correct your error.
Okay but don't start a fight...
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Old 2009-07-23, 13:06   Link #217
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This, "I can type my messages however I want and I don't care whether or not people care about how poorly I type," attitude annoys me. In my opinion, it's disrespectful towards those who are reading your post. You go to a forum to express your opinion. People shouldn't care about your opinion if you can't show the decency to, at least, make your posts readable.

Of course, this is only for people who tYpE lYkE dIs or make their messages irritating or near impossible to read. Or if they're being arrogant.

Edit: Oh, and there's fanfiction. That's a different story.
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Old 2009-07-23, 13:43   Link #218
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Not all criticism is for your own good, and the way that it is presented is very important. Too much criticism and/or criticism presented in a very harsh manner will kill a person's self esteem. That alone has the potential to be far, far worse than simply allowing that person to continue on, as they were, making the faults that they were before.

Then, of course, there are needless criticisms, or criticisms over things that don't really matter (the so-called "nitpicking")... it's off the focus of this thread, but it's an issue that's near and dear to me, so I felt compelled to reply.
Then again, if I tell you that you're an annoying moron (not you, Ledgem, of course) out of annoyance rather than out of concern for your welfare doesn't mean you aren't an annoying moron.
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Old 2009-07-23, 15:38   Link #219
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Just a question...would people "look at you the wrong way" if I remain grammatically correct in Facebook?
Adults wouldn't, but certain youngsters probably would. None of my friends capitalise "I" on facebook, for instance. And "you" becomes "u". There's a sort of unspoken rule that you should shorten and abbreviate everything where possible. It's creative in a way, like speaking in code.

Safe to say, before finding this place my grammar and punctuation sucked hard when typed, and I didn't even realise it. It's not like I didn't read any books, that was just the habit ingrained from all the social networking.
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Old 2009-07-23, 16:12   Link #220
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Hmm...I'm usually the one correcting everybody else, being a former english teacher helps my blood boil when I see blatant grammar and syntax errors, but that was 2-3 years ago, now I'm used to it and I've even adapted to interpreting people's mistakes the way they wanted to express themselves (including absence of question marks, commas, full stops, wrong tenses or wrong verbs). Sure, it's good to help people improve their typing skills but having to correct every single detail gets boring after a few months.
If I'm playing an MMO and grinding, I might resort to using abbreviated words if my exp is at stake
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