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NoSanninWa · 2006-02-08, 17:21

In the Bleach Character Book, they refer to a king that rules Soul Society. No name is given for him, just that Soul Society is ruled by him.

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Since we have never heard the existence of a king even mentioned in the course of the manga, I seriously wonder if that "king" really exists. Perhaps this he was killed ages ago. Perhaps when Aizen said that noone rules in heaven he was referring to the fact that the king's throne is empty.

This is all just speculation of course, but it does lead one to the amusing speculation that the real reason Ichigo is so ridiculously powerful is because he is descended from (or reincarnated from) the vanished King of Soul Society. Real? Who knows. It is just an amusing thought.

If someone could translate this picture, I would be grateful:

If anyone wants to comment with something that is only in the manga (you know what I mean), then make sure to use spoiler tags:
[spoiler=manga] Manga r0x0r5 [/spoiler]

Bronwen Stx · 2006-02-08, 17:25

XD Ooh...I haven't considered the idea that Ichigo might be the descendent of the missing King...

Spoiler for manga:

Guido · 2006-02-08, 17:34

The best political term to refer to the throne of SS would have been emperor.

After all, the SS bases the aristocracy on the ancient samurai feudalism.

However, if it was the author's choice then so "King" be it.

Kinny Riddle · 2006-02-08, 20:34

The middle is the "Royal Family", divided into two branches.
The left is the Central 46, the right is the Royal Guard.

Under the Central 46 are, from left to right, Onmitsu Kidou, Kidoushuu and the Gotei 13.

There are five sub-divisions under the Onmitsu Kidou, the first sub-division is Keigun, while the fifth is the Inner Palace Guard (probably guarding Seireitei).

Most here no doubt knows about the Gotei 13, the 4th Division is the Medical Division, while the 12th Division is the R&D Division, which is further divided into the Communications Tech Research Dept and the Spiritual Power Measurement Research Dept.

[DOT].L · 2006-02-08, 21:11

Picture version completed: translations by Kinny Riddle^

NoSanninWa · 2006-02-08, 22:14

Nice! Now could someone please translate Onmitsu Kidou, Kidou Shuu and Keigun? Also, what are the 5 divisions under the Onmitsu Kidou called? (I think that the 13 squads of the Gotei 13 are obvious enough.)

Interesting thing about your translation is that it implies that there is a Royal Guard which does not answer to the Central 46... at least back when there was a Central 46.

Oberon · 2006-02-09, 00:03

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Originally Posted by NoSanninWa

Nice! Now could someone please translate Onmitsu Kidou, Kidou Shuu and Keigun? Also, what are the 5 divisions under the Onmitsu Kidou called? (I think that the 13 squads of the Gotei 13 are obvious enough.)

I'd translate it as "Covert Operations" (Onmitsu Kidou), "Punishment Forces" (Keigun) and "Demonarts Users" (Kidou Shuu)*, though I'm sure someone else can come up with a more accurate/impressive sounding translation. The 5 divisons in the diagram are simply numbered from 1-5 (1st division, 2. ...).

*literally "Demonarts People". Maybe that's where Komamura came from?

NoSanninWa · 2006-02-09, 00:39

So there is a separate group of Kidou users who aren't part of Covert Ops or the Gotei 13? Interesting.

SuperKnuckles · 2006-02-09, 01:09

Don't want to sound rude here, but I guess once the Soul Society is in REAL trouble next time, I bet somebody from the royal family and its circle will come and save the day. Atleast temporarily.

fierysky · 2006-02-09, 01:17

hm...if shinigami can have kings then could Hollows as well? It would be interesting if they did.

Anyways, I read the official chinese version of the Bleach manga and the "imperial family" was indeed mentioned in my books. I don't know if this could be a translation error but they were mentioned. When the first Menos appears in volume 6 Rukia says something along the line, "Those (refering to the menos) are under the jurisdiction of the 王族 (the imperial family), no lone shinigami can go up against it."

So I don't think they just popped out of nowhere. Would someone like to check the japanese version? However it is an interesting thought that Ichigo may be a descendent. Or maybe the Hollow inside him has some relation? Or maybe Zangetsu?

Nightengale · 2006-02-09, 04:46

Royal Guards > Gotei 13?

Maybe in power level too?

A possibility to extend Bleach?

NoSanninWa · 2006-02-09, 05:46

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Originally Posted by The Small One

This was explained a long time ago in the anime. Did you just forgot it, or did you really miss it at the time?

Completely forgotten! Was it said what their duties and role are?

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Originally Posted by Nightengale

Royal Guards > Gotei 13?

Maybe in power level too?

A possibility to extend Bleach?

Almost indubitably.

Novarain · 2006-02-09, 07:03

Currently we know that of the 4 noble familites, there's the Kuchiki and Shihouin families right? I've read that Ohmaeda Marechiyo (2nd div VC) is also from a noble family on another website (though i need someone to verify that for me...). What about the Shiba family? i do think they might also be nobilily.... hell Soi Fong is also from a noble family so i'm really wondering how they define noble family...

NoSanninWa · 2006-02-09, 07:17

It was specified that the Shiba Family used to be nobility before they fell from grace for unspecified reasons.

Soi Fong is not from a noble family. Her family serves the Shihouin family.

Zu Ra · 2006-02-09, 10:24

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Originally Posted by Bronwen Stx

XD Ooh...I haven't considered the idea that Ichigo might be the descendent of the missing King...

Spoiler for manga:

There are 4 clans amentioned Ukitake,Shinouin,Shiba and Kuchiki, dunno who is the 5 th one.Its definately Not Soi fong clan .The King of Seireirei is news to me

ccardoso · 2006-02-09, 11:32

Spoiler for manga:

Zu Ra · 2006-02-09, 11:34

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Originally Posted by Oberon

I'd translate it as "Covert Operations" (Onmitsu Kidou), "Punishment Forces" (Keigun) and "Demonarts Users" (Kidou Shuu)*, though I'm sure someone else can come up with a more accurate/impressive sounding translation. The 5 divisons in the diagram are simply numbered from 1-5 (1st division, 2. ...).

*literally "Demonarts People". Maybe that's where Komamura came from?

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoSanninWa

Nice! Now could someone please translate Onmitsu Kidou, Kidou Shuu and Keigun? Also, what are the 5 divisions under the Onmitsu Kidou called? (I think that the 13 squads of the Gotei 13 are obvious enough.)

Interesting thing about your translation is that it implies that there is a Royal Guard which does not answer to the Central 46... at least back when there was a Central 46.

This is the heirarchy after the king

Government

The Central 46 Chambers symbol.

The ultimate authority of shinigami are the Central 46 Chambers (中央四十六室 chūō yonjūroku shitsu). This is made up of 40 wise men and 6 judges. They are sealed into an enclave in Seireitei called seijōtōkyorin (清浄塔居林) and no one else may go enter it, regardless of their military or civilian status. The decisions of the 46 Chambers are final and may not be questioned by any person, regardless of status. In addition, all decisions by the 46 Chambers are carried out, even if they require the mobilization of the Gotei 13.

Army

The shinigami army is arranged into three corps: Gotei 13 (Thirteen Court Divisions), Demon Arts corps, and the Onmitsukidō (Covert/Special Ops corps).

*Demon Arts Corps (鬼道衆 kidōshū).

*Covert Ops Corps (隠密機動 onmitsukidō)

The Covert Ops, also called Special Ops and Secret Mobile Unit/Corps (the latter being the more accurate translation), has five divisions, the top-ranked one being the Executive Militia (刑軍 keigun).

Formerly headed by Yoruichi Shihouin, the current leader of the Covert Ops is Captain Soi Fong of the Gotei 13's 2nd Division. Little else is known about the Covert Ops' operations.The Covert Ops Corps is headed by a corps commander (軍団長 gundanchō), the real-life equivalent being Lieutenant-General.It is unknown how other ranks work in the corps, but like in Gotei 13, the leader of the corps generally also commands its top division, the Executive Militia. Unlike in the Gotei 13 however, the corps commander has several bodyguards.

*Gotei 13

(Kidō 鬼道

The demon arts are a type of combat or healing sorcery used by shinigami. Kidō spells are divided into two major groups: blast spells (破道 hadō), used for direct attack, and binding spells (縛道 bakudō), which are spells that restrain or involves restraining someone. To perform a kidō spell, one must call out the incantation for the spell, similar to releasing a zanpakutō. It is also possible to bypass the incantation for spells, as with the shikai release, however, each level gets successively harder. Even experienced captains cannot bypass a level 90 spell successfully.

Urahara and Byakuya are considered masters at this art

*This is one of 4 arts Aizen mentions has limitations (genkai) others are
-Hoho 歩法
-Zanjutsu 斬術
-Hakuda 白打 )

Sank u NoSanninWa for the image and sank u to you too kinny san for translation

Sety · 2006-02-09, 12:44

As I recall Rukia's generic unnamed executioners were probably the first ever Kidou Shuu shown in the series they were there specifically there only for lifting the seal on the execution Zanpakutou.

Oberon · 2006-02-09, 14:34

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Originally Posted by i_shinigami

This is the heirarchy after the king

[snip]

Thanks for the corrections and extended info. Somehow this gets me really excited as there is still so much to explore about the bleach universe. I'm looking forward to see how Kubo will (hopefully) weave all this stuff into the main storyline.

M4rauder · 2006-02-09, 15:07

Renji mentioned earlier that Rukia was lucky that it was he and Byakuya that had come to collect her, and not the Keigun. I had been wondering for a long time how that group fit into the big picture!

2006-02-08, 17:21	Link #1
NoSanninWa Weapon of Mass Discussion Fansubber Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: New York, USA	Soul Society's King ? (Character book information) In the Bleach Character Book, they refer to a king that rules Soul Society. No name is given for him, just that Soul Society is ruled by him. Character Book Info Since we have never heard the existence of a king even mentioned in the course of the manga, I seriously wonder if that "king" really exists. Perhaps this he was killed ages ago. Perhaps when Aizen said that noone rules in heaven he was referring to the fact that the king's throne is empty. This is all just speculation of course, but it does lead one to the amusing speculation that the real reason Ichigo is so ridiculously powerful is because he is descended from (or reincarnated from) the vanished King of Soul Society. Real? Who knows. It is just an amusing thought. If someone could translate this picture, I would be grateful: If anyone wants to comment with something that is only in the manga (you know what I mean), then make sure to use spoiler tags: [spoiler=manga] Manga r0x0r5 [/spoiler] __________________ There's not that fine a line between willing suspension of disbelief and something just being stupid.

2006-02-08, 17:25	Link #2
Bronwen Stx Did you say something? Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Sidewalk	XD Ooh...I haven't considered the idea that Ichigo might be the descendent of the missing King... Spoiler for manga: and for some reason, I can totally see Isshin be that spoiled brat of a King that's beyond silly. And being this Bleach... I reckon our theories can't be that bizzare with what Kubo Tite have shown us. But I'm somewhat convinced that Isshin, thus Ichigo is one of the five noble clans. The data book clearly says that 2 of the 4 have been mentioned, the Shiba clan used to be part of that before they fell.

2006-02-08, 21:11	Link #5
[DOT].L Delightfully lost... Artist Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: All over the place...	Picture version completed: translations by Kinny Riddle^ Last edited by [DOT].L; 2006-02-08 at 22:17.

2006-02-08, 22:14	Link #6
NoSanninWa Weapon of Mass Discussion Fansubber Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: New York, USA	Nice! Now could someone please translate Onmitsu Kidou, Kidou Shuu and Keigun? Also, what are the 5 divisions under the Onmitsu Kidou called? (I think that the 13 squads of the Gotei 13 are obvious enough.) Interesting thing about your translation is that it implies that there is a Royal Guard which does not answer to the Central 46... at least back when there was a Central 46. __________________ There's not that fine a line between willing suspension of disbelief and something just being stupid.

2006-02-09, 00:39	Link #8
NoSanninWa Weapon of Mass Discussion Fansubber Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: New York, USA	So there is a separate group of Kidou users who aren't part of Covert Ops or the Gotei 13? Interesting. __________________ There's not that fine a line between willing suspension of disbelief and something just being stupid.

2006-02-08, 17:34	Link #3
Guido Snobby Gentleman Join Date: May 2004 Location: Monterrey, México Age: 43	The best political term to refer to the throne of SS would have been emperor. After all, the SS bases the aristocracy on the ancient samurai feudalism. However, if it was the author's choice then so "King" be it.

2006-02-08, 20:34	Link #4
Kinny Riddle Gone for Good Join Date: Apr 2004	The middle is the "Royal Family", divided into two branches. The left is the Central 46, the right is the Royal Guard. Under the Central 46 are, from left to right, Onmitsu Kidou, Kidoushuu and the Gotei 13. There are five sub-divisions under the Onmitsu Kidou, the first sub-division is Keigun, while the fifth is the Inner Palace Guard (probably guarding Seireitei). Most here no doubt knows about the Gotei 13, the 4th Division is the Medical Division, while the 12th Division is the R&D Division, which is further divided into the Communications Tech Research Dept and the Spiritual Power Measurement Research Dept.

2006-02-09, 01:09	Link #9
SuperKnuckles Anime Hobbyist Join Date: Dec 2004	Don't want to sound rude here, but I guess once the Soul Society is in REAL trouble next time, I bet somebody from the royal family and its circle will come and save the day. Atleast temporarily.

2006-02-09, 01:17	Link #10
fierysky Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004	hm...if shinigami can have kings then could Hollows as well? It would be interesting if they did. Anyways, I read the official chinese version of the Bleach manga and the "imperial family" was indeed mentioned in my books. I don't know if this could be a translation error but they were mentioned. When the first Menos appears in volume 6 Rukia says something along the line, "Those (refering to the menos) are under the jurisdiction of the 王族 (the imperial family), no lone shinigami can go up against it." So I don't think they just popped out of nowhere. Would someone like to check the japanese version? However it is an interesting thought that Ichigo may be a descendent. Or maybe the Hollow inside him has some relation? Or maybe Zangetsu?

2006-02-09, 04:46	Link #11
Nightengale ~Night of Gales~ Author Join Date: Dec 2005	Royal Guards > Gotei 13? Maybe in power level too? A possibility to extend Bleach?

2006-02-09, 07:03	Link #13
Novarain Member Join Date: Dec 2005	Currently we know that of the 4 noble familites, there's the Kuchiki and Shihouin families right? I've read that Ohmaeda Marechiyo (2nd div VC) is also from a noble family on another website (though i need someone to verify that for me...). What about the Shiba family? i do think they might also be nobilily.... hell Soi Fong is also from a noble family so i'm really wondering how they define noble family...

2006-02-09, 07:17	Link #14
NoSanninWa Weapon of Mass Discussion Fansubber Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: New York, USA	It was specified that the Shiba Family used to be nobility before they fell from grace for unspecified reasons. Soi Fong is not from a noble family. Her family serves the Shihouin family. __________________ There's not that fine a line between willing suspension of disbelief and something just being stupid.

2006-02-09, 11:32	Link #16
ccardoso Banned Join Date: Feb 2004	Spoiler for manga: Ok we've found who is Isshin. At this point it's reasonable to suppose to assume that he left SS throne to live undetected in the human world because of he fell in love with the human woman Masaki. This can seem to be quite too much to assume, but if you think at how much thingshe knows and how much strong he is it's very likely. Wait this would make Ichigo the prince of SS? lol!

2006-02-09, 12:44	Link #18
Sety Lost in your Eyes~~~ Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: UK	As I recall Rukia's generic unnamed executioners were probably the first ever Kidou Shuu shown in the series they were there specifically there only for lifting the seal on the execution Zanpakutou.

2006-02-09, 15:07	Link #20
M4rauder Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	Renji mentioned earlier that Rukia was lucky that it was he and Byakuya that had come to collect her, and not the Keigun. I had been wondering for a long time how that group fit into the big picture!