2010-06-28, 19:03 | Link #12021 |
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Also, it's my personal theory that Maria being the first to notice the smell of Kinzo's burning body in EP1 is just a huge elaborate "The First One Who Smelt It Dealt It." Kinzo's already dead, so she didn't murder him. She just stuffed his body into an incinerator :3
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2010-06-28, 19:08 | Link #12023 |
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Well, the randomness isn't something we thought up, it's just something we've observed over the 6 twilights. Someone has a plan to fake the twilights, but they haven't properly chosen the victims before the game starts. The end up choosing the victims on the first night around around 10pm - 12am.
As Judoh said before, it seems they choose the people loitering around in the halls. They may be able to choose small groups of people too (like Rosa + Maria), and in the event everyone in the mansion is totally busy to 3am like in EP5, they resort to the guest house. There is some justification for the 3 groups since it aligns with the 3 conspiracies we have seen so far. The servants (as i call them the Beatrice faction), the Blackmail-Krauss faction (lead by Eva) and the Anti-Inheritance (or Pretend-Kinzo-is-Alive faction, led by Natsuhi and Krauss, maybe.) Of course some people seem to be part of two factions (like Rosa) or have their own secret factions, etc, etc... |
2010-06-28, 20:27 | Link #12025 |
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I just thought...
Why are there no gunshot noises? Take the first twilight in ep 3, for instance. Someone apparently went around the mansion shooting all the servants (or tricking them, or whatever). Wouldn't the cracking of the gun be quite... noticable to anyone awake? In addition, wouldn't it wake anyone still asleep? Same for the first FT (assuming that was done with a gun) and the entire 4th episode (wouldn't he at least hear distant shots?). |
2010-06-28, 20:33 | Link #12026 | |
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The noise really has been a problem though and that's one reason why Renall suggested someone brought a pistol to the island. The winchesters are just too loud. You might be able to get away with that in some cases, but episode 4 is problematic. There are also ways to make homemade silencers, but it's very illegal even here in America. EDIT: Then again sawing off a winchester like that is illegal here too. It might not be too out there.
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2010-06-28, 20:57 | Link #12027 | |
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So the cousins and Rosa are all out because of the guesthouse circle. I've forgotten, were there any crappy circles in the mansion?
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2010-06-28, 22:56 | Link #12029 | |
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2010-06-28, 23:20 | Link #12030 |
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In a sense Battler "killed her" in the game before that. I don't want to go into all the stuff Bern said about that to Battler again. We know that the Beatrice Piece is not in play anymore in chiru though.
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2010-06-28, 23:31 | Link #12031 | |
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The winchesters, if real, wouldn't be legal not even with a license, since all kind of handgun and rifles are prohibited. The use of guns as a self-defense measure is not contemplated.
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2010-06-28, 23:38 | Link #12033 |
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But even if it's illegal, criminal organizations are known to possess guns even automatic.
In umineko we know that all Kasumi's men possess guns. and Juuza must possess some kind of heavy weaponry as well, probably a sniper rifle. It's certainly not something that you can get easily in japan. He must have several contacts in the black market.
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2010-06-29, 00:08 | Link #12034 | |
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Kyrie eloped with Rudolf and disgraced the family name. As Ange narrated they would have killed her for shaming them, but something happened (implied to be a money deal) that let her off the hook. She clearly loves Rudolf (to a scary point) and her children, plus she gets along with the rest of the family very well. I just don't see her doing something like working for a family that hates her - she only keeps contact with her father, who is also ostracized from the family. |
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2010-06-29, 01:24 | Link #12035 | |
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By the way, when I said killed 'Beatrice' I was referring to the human pretending to be Beatrice and not meta-Beatrice. |
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2010-06-29, 02:58 | Link #12036 | |
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I think she might be brought back in EP7 though
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2010-06-29, 03:18 | Link #12037 | |
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...and yet something feels incomplete. There aren't any scenes telling us on what terms Rudolf was with Kinzo except the general awe and fear they all feel towards him, but it feels to me that Rudolf was getting away with a lot more stuff than Krauss ever even tried. But Kyrie had to have been exiled from Sumadera when she got pregnant out of marriage. For twelve years after that she was still not Rudolf's wife. Which essentially means that Rudolf somehow got Kinzo to pay for his woman, a woman of good breeding and certainly fitting to be the wife of an Ushiromiya on any account, and then married a nobody anyway, and I doubt he would be able to get away with that. Even parents who spoil their children like there's no tomorrow would get seriously annoyed with their gifts being spurned. There must be something more to that particular bit in the story.
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2010-06-29, 05:30 | Link #12038 | |
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You could make a silencer, I guess... but silencers wouldn't fully drown out the sound of such a loud rifle. A silenced pistol could do the job, but then where is it? None of the guests seemed to have a chance to smuggle anything in, so it'd probably have to be in Kinzo's collection. |
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2010-06-29, 05:53 | Link #12039 | |
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The problem with a silencer like that on the Winchester in particular is that it's a) hard to keep on the sawed-off gun, b) won't last more than a few shots before it starts cracking apart, to eventually blow up into your face, and, well, c) None of the Ushiromiyas or their servants show any technological aptitude to make one. Problem "a" doesn't exist in case of a .45 derringer, but the other problems remain. Oh, and if you tried to shoot a .410 cartridge with one it would definitely blow up into your face the moment pellets would get caught on the edges. Mind you, that does not actually preclude Ryukishi from thinking that the sound of the shots cannot be heard through walls and because of the rain, we just don't know. Unfortunately nobody ever hears a legitimate shot from a sufficient distance for us to tell if that is the case.
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2010-06-29, 06:00 | Link #12040 |
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Well, they hear the Natsuhi shot in ep1... and that's about all I can think of in terms of gunshot noises :/.
She was just in the next room though. Come to think of it, lack of noise in general is a problem for a lot of the killings. Kumasawa's scream when she finds Kanon in the boiler room is heard quite some way away, but wouldn't you expect, say, Eva to scream when someone advances on her with a stake? |
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