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Old 2011-11-19, 17:27   Link #5781
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If it was so similar to bookmaker why didn't he make all fiction with it originally? Use some sense.
Book Maker just has to be similar enough. In the first place this is a weaker version of it, so it obviously has less compatibility. You know absolutely nothing about Hundred Gauntlets that you could say creating All Fiction from another skill doesn't make sense, though.
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Old 2011-11-19, 17:31   Link #5782
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Book Maker just has to be similar enough. In the first place this is a weaker version of it, so it obviously has less compatibility. You know absolutely nothing about Hundred Gauntlets that you could say creating All Fiction from another skill doesn't make sense, though.
What doesn't make sense is why he didn't make it from bookmaker orginally if that was the case, he would not even need hundred gauntles if that was the case. This All fiction can negate death, that's the best feat the original all fiction even had.

Just like assuming that creating all fiction from another skill does make sense. That is what an asspull is. When there is an absense of logical explanation by the author. Kumagawa has had book maker his entire life until he got a hundred gauntlets. Are you saying that through that time he would have never bothered modifying it to all fiction if he could and only after he lost all fiction something he created, that he realises he could have made with his original ability all along?
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Old 2011-11-19, 17:35   Link #5783
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just so you guys know, the ch is out...should be between page 1-5 on 4chan.

and the kuma segment was hella funny
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Old 2011-11-19, 17:40   Link #5784
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It bought that Ajimu gave kuma hundread gauntlet which he used to modify his bookmaker
Creating all fiction.
In terms of cars, it would be like kuma was driving an older Ferrari, he upgrades said ferrarinbut keeps old Ferrari. Now new Ferrari breaks down and he starts using old Ferrari, but decides to modify old Ferrari with parts from new Ferrari.
While the old Ferrari has the new parts, Doesn't mean that the rebuilt Ferrari will run like the new one or the old one.
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Old 2011-11-19, 18:57   Link #5785
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What doesn't make sense is why he didn't make it from bookmaker orginally if that was the case, he would not even need hundred gauntles if that was the case. This All fiction can negate death, that's the best feat the original all fiction even had.

Just like assuming that creating all fiction from another skill does make sense. That is what an asspull is. When there is an absense of logical explanation by the author. Kumagawa has had book maker his entire life until he got a hundred gauntlets. Are you saying that through that time he would have never bothered modifying it to all fiction if he could and only after he lost all fiction something he created, that he realises he could have made with his original ability all along?
Didn't Ajimu explain that Kumagawa reformed All Fiction based on remnants of it from when he had it originally? Didn't she also mention that the Hundred Gauntlet's version was stronger? The only reason Kumagawa can remake All Fiction now is because he ingrained it into himself during the time he had Hundred Gauntlets. How long he had Book Maker originally is irrelevant (we are not even sure that Kumagawa really converted Book Maker for his new All Fiction yet. For all we know, Kumagawa's new weaker All Fiction might've just reformed from those leftover remnants alone.).

In the first place, Book Maker was Kumagawa's original Minus, which suited his personality. He even went so far as to trade All Fiction back in order to gain it again. We saw at the start of the Not Equals arc that, even before he had All Fiction, Kumagawa was a virtually indestructible person from the beginning. Why would he have made All Fiction, if Book Maker wasn't naturally suited for it, and fit his personality better in it's natural form?


Anyway, I read the new chapter. Good shit, but I'm too tired to type anything out right now, so that's all for now.
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Old 2011-11-19, 19:54   Link #5786
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Finally chapter 123 is out and it's very good (like SF said).

Opinion on main points in chapter:

- I think Medaka needed this loss because the way she's always looking down on people in terms of strength is frustrating, so hopefully she ends up fighting Zen at full strength (I still want Zen to win though)

- Going by Ajimu's face I'm guessing the skill seems quite stupid, but all shonen battle manga main characters need a stupid skill compared to others in their respective manga's i.e. rubberman, smaller sword (compared to some capable of creating fire, illusions,ice,dimensions...etc with their swords), harem jutsu, a regular but powered up punch (HxH) and other stuff along those lines

- I think we may also be seeing a late team swap from Maguro and Naze/Kujira so it will be the Kurokami siblings on one team


But again overall very good chapter, can't wait to see next week's
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Old 2011-11-19, 21:30   Link #5787
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I wonder, so Kumagawa now can use bookmarker and All-fiction?

Also, why is Kumagawa didn't use his bookmarker in any battle?
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Old 2011-11-19, 21:49   Link #5788
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Having to many skills makes you more of a last boss. Didn't she just described herself? You gotta love Ajimu.
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Old 2011-11-19, 21:51   Link #5789
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- I think we may also be seeing a late team swap from Maguro and Naze/Kujira so it will be the Kurokami siblings on one team
It seems more like they want to make sure no one else defeats Medaka before Zenkichi has a chance to fight her.

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Having to many skills makes you more of a last boss. Didn't she just described herself? You gotta love Ajimu.
Which neatly explains why she refuses to fight Medaka directly. That and she's still partially sealed.
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Old 2011-11-19, 22:52   Link #5790
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I'm not at all sure I understand the point behind Medaka's latest new mode. Combining strength and weakness... wouldn't that just be your normal self? o__O

Still awesome that Kamome wiped the floor with Medaka without so much as a scratch on him. Now I want to see him fight seriously. >__<

And judging by the look on Anshin'in's face, Zen picked out one hell of a weird skill. Can't wait to see it and use it in his upcoming fight with Medaka.
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Old 2011-11-19, 22:54   Link #5791
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Having to many skills makes you more of a last boss. Didn't she just described herself? You gotta love Ajimu.
Naruto has a lot of skill/technique. Then, he is a final boss material?

It is pretty silly for a main character to have 1 or 3 skills. It makes the fight boring to watch/read.

Ajimu, I disappointed with you. I can't believe that you actually said that.

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Old 2011-11-19, 22:58   Link #5792
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Old 2011-11-19, 23:12   Link #5793
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When you think about it, Naruto spent most of the series without that many techniques (like the concept "When all you have is a hammer"). Yeah, he has new modes, but his techniques still revolve around "Shadow Clones and rasengans". Sasuke on the other hand, pulls all these techniques out his ass, has the sharingan, and all these other abilities.
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Old 2011-11-19, 23:15   Link #5794
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When you think about it, Naruto spent most of the series without that many techniques (like the concept "When all you have is a hammer"). Yeah, he has new modes, but his techniques still revolve around "Shadow Clones and rasengans". Sasuke on the other hand, pulls all these techniques out his ass, has the sharingan, and all these other abilities.
Naruto knows henge no jutsu, shunshin no jutsu, summoning no jutsu, shadow shuriken techniques, rasengan, sage mode, and kyubi mode.

It is still more than one or three techniques that Ajumu don't wants for main character.
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Old 2011-11-19, 23:18   Link #5795
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Naruto has a lot of skill/technique. Then, he is a final boss material?

It is pretty silly for a main character to have 1 or 3 skills. It makes the fight boring to watch/read.

Ajimu, I disappointed with you. I can't believe that you actually said that.
A lot of Shonen MCs may get upgrades that improve their power, or come up with new techniques based on their original abilities, but they rarely pull out new powers from nowhere.

Naruto would be "final boss" material if he suddenly manifested super-hax eye powers that shot black fire, summoned a demon warrior, created inescapable illusions, the ability to summon meteors, living forests, etc. much like how Sasuke and Uchiha Madara are doing.

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Naruto knows henge no jutsu, shunshin no jutsu, summoning no jutsu, shadow shuriken techniques, rasengan, sage mode, and kyubi mode.

It is still more than one or three techniques that Ajumu don't wants for main character.
Naruto doesn't know shunshin, he's just really freaking fast in Kyuubi mode. Sage mode and Kyuubi mode aren't techniques but power-ups that allow Naruto to tap into massive sources of chakra. Shadow Shuriken is just an extension of his duplication techniques. Henge is one of the most basic techniques ninjas in the Naruto-verse know, and he hasn't used it for a while now anyway.

Naruto's techniques boil down to taking advantage of the massive chakra sources available to him to use summoning, rasengan, and duplication to their fullest. Three techniques in all.
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Old 2011-11-19, 23:19   Link #5796
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Naruto has a lot of skill/technique. Then, he is a final boss material?

It is pretty silly for a main character to have 1 or 3 skills. It makes the fight boring to watch/read.

Ajimu, I disappointed with you. I can't believe that you actually said that.
I think she meant having a lot of skills as in like she herself does. I mean take Luffy as an example. His skill is just being rubber but he's advanced the skill really far to let him do a lot of things with it. Naruto has a couple of skills but he's raised those few skills to high levels. All his different Rasengan variations, shadow clones, etc.
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Old 2011-11-19, 23:20   Link #5797
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Naruto knows henge no jutsu, shunshin no jutsu, summoning no jutsu, shadow shuriken techniques, rasengan, sage mode, and kyubi mode.

It is still more than one or three techniques that Ajumu don't wants for main character.
Hmmm...

Henge no jutsu is a basic technique taught to all students.....

If you're going to list every single technique the character has performed, then you're obviously going to end up with a lot. And since when is Ajimu The authority on main characters? It fits in Medaka Box, but it's not always applicable to other stories

Medaka herself has had several modes. The fact is, Naruto doesn't have that many techniques....and why should he? He's learning to use each technique to the fullest and to refine them.
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Old 2011-11-20, 01:25   Link #5798
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Chapter 122

"Even though I was pretty much deceiving him, he decided to come anyway. Make sure you bully him accordingly, okay?" Ajimu, I love you so much. You always give me such wonderful lines to remember you by. By the time its all said and done, she is probably going down as one of my favorite final villains.

Ah man, really made me enjoy Medaka's character. Loved that conversation and interaction she and Akune had with each other. Now that Medaka has lost or is about to lose to Kamome hopefully it stops all of the "Medaka never loses" chants that were never true. She has a high win-to-loss ratio but that doesn't mean she never loses at things. It reminds me of when people used that as a criticism against Luffy in One Piece saying he never lost...even though he lost to Crocodile twice and had lost to Aokiji before yet people kept ignorantly saying it after those events.

Anyway, the explanation for Kumagawa being able to reproduce a weaker version of All-Fiction is fine with me. I'm glad she specifically stated and re-confirmed that it was Hundred Gauntlets she took and that All-Fiction was something that he created himself. Next point of interest she said was that Akune was part of the student council in middle school. He was Kumagawa's right hand man back then so I guess it shouldn't be a surprise but I think this was the first time this was stated. Next is that they all underestimated Akune's development. He would have been a good ally for Medaka but the fact that none of them foresaw him going to their side is interesting. That is at least twice now she has been taken off guard by the actions of others.

Medaka's council is developing into the way she seems to have been envisioning it. It reminds me of earlier on when she said that the original three(Zenkichi, Akune, and Kikaijima) all were too attached to her. And that was all the way back in chapter 15 so Nishio has clearly remembered that aspect of her character where she is getting the satisfaction out of their actions being independent of her. It seems the student council is a lot closer to its idealized form now than it has ever been. And only gets closer as this fight draws near and Ajimu keeps plotting.

Chapter 123

I'm curious about how many modes Medaka is going to tinker with. She seems to love experimenting with her abilities so I'm curious about what her next one will do. She seems to be trying to master her abnormality in her own way. As for Kumagawa, his shinsengumi formation really is suitable for his personality. He needs to remember that Medaka has beaten the snot out of multiple people at once before although they were the equivalent of mooks. Plus, Zenkichi has too many people on his side to where he isn't going to be able to have him outnumbered easily.

Hanten is basically a factory for producing skills huh? Never would have guessed that was his ability. Though I am shocked such a small percentage of Ajimu's are ones that he made but that is probably a lot better for her. If all of her power came from him that would be a red flag. Zenkichi will probably only stick to one skill and will likely use his knowledge of Medaka to think of the best counter to her. But Ajimu's reaction to his choice should make things hilarious when he reveals it.
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Old 2011-11-20, 02:05   Link #5799
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If it was so similar to bookmaker why didn't he make all fiction with it originally? Use some sense. i mean this has so many aspects that put it in a view of an asspull I find it hard to think otherwise. There's no way in hell smething so convient occurred without contradicting what happened before.
One of the components could have been being dead. Also, apparently bookmaker isn't hundred gauntlets. However, all fiction included, they're all skills. Or, in this case, all cars. Maybe they run at different speeds, describing the difference in the cars, but they are in fact all cars. Or skills in this case. This skill stuff is unknown, too, so maybe it's 9001 times more difficult to make a skill, or it has some cost, or some unknown reason. Sure, it happened at a convenient time, but that doesn't mean it doesn't make sense.

Spoiler for 123:

Anyway, great chapter, dying for the next one.
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Old 2011-11-20, 02:43   Link #5800
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Damn....i`m really curious to know what skill did Zen request for that made all the people in the room stunned when hearing it.

Its kind of hard to decide on one skill that can overpower Medaka ridiculous abnormality which is stealing other people abnormality and perfecting it.
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