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Krazzy Angel · 2009-09-09, 07:42

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Watching this episode right after reading a few chapters of War and Peace I suddenly realized how shallow and simplistic anime characters actually are. Other than that, this episode made me seriously dislike Winry, I spent the whole time going "Arghhh, just shoot him already!".

If Winry had shot Scar there would have been no difference between them. Killing him would have been the easy escape. Killing for revenge is not the best option, it does not justify the act of killing. that's why Winry's decision is not as shallow as you think.

**monir** · 2009-09-09, 16:12

Duckroll's plan is a success. Everyone likes the episode.

Excellent one indeed. One of the many gripe with the previous version of FMA was that there weren't any significant development between Winry and Ed to highlight their relationship. This single episode has done way way more than an entire season worth of 52 episodes were able to do. I've always felt Wiry's importance in the series was downlplayed. Considering she is one of the inspirational figure for Ed, never understood as to why her screentime was lacking. Anyway, as a fan of her character, absolutely loved the drama. Action is nice and all, but a good mixture of drama can enhance an episode marginally more.

One of the other thing about the previous version of FMA was how it was so difficult to sympathize with the antagonist. This isn't the case here. Scar's background exploration proves it. Yes, certainly it can be argued that he is going about it the wrong way, but the argument won't go anywhere if a parallel list for what he and his country has gone through in the hands of those who waged such war. I can't help but sympathize with Scar. This show is doing a lot of good things. I admit that it took me about 15 episodes to get warm up to the content, however, I'm all warmed up now as the new material are being animated which is following the events of the past seamlessly.

The other great thing about this version of this show that it is not pondering on despondency longer than it is needed. Considering the content, it's so easy to be drowned in gloom if the moments linger on as we found out in the previous version of FMA.

Excellent episode!

Kirarakim · 2009-09-09, 16:19

Finally watched the episode I actually was pretty pleased with this episode. I always get ready to be disappointed in what they cut out but it doesn't seem they cut out anything signifigant this time around. They did move up the stuff with Scar & his brother and that seemed to work.

I do have mixed opinions about the blue eyed amestrians. Visually it definitely worked to explain why Scar killed Winry's parents. But then that part seems to signify that Amestrians are represented by blue eyes (like all the Ishbalans have red eyes). But my problem with this is its been shown that the Amestrians are not all blue eyed. Ah well a minor issue.

Also from reading the chapter I never thought Winry was sobbing that hard at the end. But that's just a different interpretation I guess.

wandering-dreamer · 2009-09-10, 12:41

I think the blue eyes/blonde hair deal is supposed to bring up memories of Nazi Germany and draw the connections between the two. When I read the manga the first time I actually assumed after a few things like that that the story was set in an alternative Germany and that seems to be true.

This episode really hit me in a way the first season didn't. The first season had all the action but this one has the underlying drama and conflicts which makes it so much deeper. Like the Scar subplot is being fleshed out so much better here and it's the subplots that make a story work (IMO).
Now, more Ling fighting action next week please? And I forgot, did La Fan (er, the ninja girl?) go down that fast in the manga? I remember that she was pretty seriously wounded but I thought that she helped fight as well.

BetoJR · 2009-09-10, 13:05

The answer to your question would invite a host of spoilers, so it's better to wait and see.

Now, this was one fine episode. I don't even care about the cuts anymore, this series is making me happy all the same, nonetheless. Great drama and action.

Vicious108 · 2009-09-10, 13:13

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And I forgot, did La Fan (er, the ninja girl?) go down that fast in the manga? I remember that she was pretty seriously wounded but I thought that she helped fight as well.

She did fight pretty well... in a fight that was cut out.

Charred Knight · 2009-09-10, 13:33

Can anyone tell me in a series rushed as it is that we wasted like 30 seconds on a recap for an episode that happened last week? Getting rid of the recap and having the dialouge of Ling vs Bradley in it's original form would have improved that scene greatly.

Please tell me that they are not going to ignore most of the Ishval massacre flashback because why in the hell are Armstrong, Mustang, and Grand attacking the portion of Ishval Scar is in? Also Scar's brother was miscast with Takehito Koyasu. Yeah, I know his in pratically every anime series, but you don't need to throw him in just to have him in your series. His voice was far too badass sounding to be a bookworm.

Vicious108 · 2009-09-10, 13:57

But in the end he was a badass bookworm.

Shiroth · 2009-09-10, 14:00

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But in the end he was a badass bookworm.

Exactly. In the end, it worked out quite well having Koyasu voicing him.

pulpwin · 2009-09-10, 16:16

Ep. 22 was solid. Action, while there wasn't much of it, it was suffice for a set piece episode. Quite well paced scenes, and as usual the dialogue was substantial. Uninterupted Fuhrer vs. Ling should be enjoyable, so I hope we get that. I wish Gluttony was more relevant, at the moment he just isn't getting enough screen time, dialogue, or relevance to the story. I would have thought he would've become more involved and voiced once Lust died, whereby he should have been more emotionally expressed, which just hasn't happened.

Haladflire65 · 2009-09-10, 16:31

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I wish Gluttony was more relevant, at the moment he just isn't getting enough screen time, dialogue, or relevance to the story. I would have thought he would've become more involved and voiced once Lust died, whereby he should have been more emotionally expressed, which just hasn't happened.

Oh, you'll see in a few episodes....

OkamiNoKaze · 2009-09-11, 00:38

Great episode loved the fight between Bradley and Ling, glad there's more of it next week. Scars flashback was interesting, nice touch with blue eye thing, I got that Nazi allusion too, I think it would have been interesting if the Istvalans had red eyes in the flash backs. The blue eyes also kind of reminded me of Dune. By the name of the next episode, maybe we will see the little girl, or that could refer to Winry.

tieria.erde · 2009-09-11, 09:02

i can sympathies with Scar

reminds me of how iraqis, afghans and palestinians are treated.

Vicious108 · 2009-09-11, 10:09

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Originally Posted by OkamiNoKaze

By the name of the next episode, maybe we will see the little girl, or that could refer to Winry.

Or to Ran Fan.

Bea Rabbit · 2009-09-11, 10:59

Its great about the real scar life about
(duh I dun watch the previous series)

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i can sympathies with Scar

reminds me of how iraqis, afghans and palestinians are treated.

Yeah I agreed with you..

But I wanna know more about Ling and Lan fan's fight against Bradley.. T_T

Krazzy Angel · 2009-09-11, 11:11

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Originally Posted by tieria.erde

i can sympathies with Scar

reminds me of how iraqis, afghans and palestinians are treated.

We I think of it at times, I see how the world of FMA and ours match...
The author interpreted our situation in her own way. Fiction is inspired from reality.

Yu Ominae · 2009-09-11, 22:43

Reminds me of Yoda's saying about anger.

"Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”

Kanish · 2009-09-12, 09:25

I thought it was a fantastic episode. It did a beautiful job of showing the horrors of war. Sucks that Kimbly had no dialogue, but his kick-ass transmutation(the likes of which I haven't seen in the first series) more than made up for it.

Definitely another victory for the second series over the first. I had my doubts about how well Winry would confront the killer of her parents in this series in comparison to the first one but they actually pulled it off in a way that was far superior to the first. Having Roy as the killer only came of as being awkward.

Sannom · 2009-09-12, 10:47

Okay, first let's say what I disliked :

--- Scar's brother scream before everything went KABOOM. Sounded... ridiculous? Out of place? Over the top? Your pick.

--- As a manga reader, I was somehow ticked by the fact that they put Scar's flashback right here. It distracted me from the drama Winry was living. And by that point, we shouldn't be that knowledgeable about Scar I think, we should still think of him as a bastard, with some hints here and there to show us that what he lived was NOT pretty.

Second, let's say what I really liked that was added for the anime :

--- the Rockbell actually tending to Scar's wounds personnaly so that he had a shot of their eyes and hair, and uncounsciously linking them to the soldiers that attacked his village. And then when he discovers his new arm, he completely freaks out and can only think of one thing : there are enemies nearby, in the room.

--- the Kimblee shot when Scar was about to kill Scar. He saw his brother in Ed and Kimblee in him. Scar just saw what kinf of monster he was. He knew he was one before, but now he knows that he is the same kind of monster that destroyed his people.

The, let me finish with this :

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But speaking of screams, Scar's VA did a really good job this episode.

Indead. The way he talked after waking up, as if he had some kind of paste in his mouth, with words full of hate and resentment, was superb. The scene asked for good acting, and he delivered quite well.

Kanish · 2009-09-12, 11:04

I also initially felt the flashback felt kinda abrupt especially when Scar had no dialogue whatsoever in the previous episode or the fact that he wasn't in some kind of crisis situation that would warrant a flashback. But when it got to the whole empathizing point when Scar puts himself in Winry's shoes, it all made sense.

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2009-09-10, 12:41	Link #44
wandering-dreamer reads too much Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: you know that's a great question.....	I think the blue eyes/blonde hair deal is supposed to bring up memories of Nazi Germany and draw the connections between the two. When I read the manga the first time I actually assumed after a few things like that that the story was set in an alternative Germany and that seems to be true. This episode really hit me in a way the first season didn't. The first season had all the action but this one has the underlying drama and conflicts which makes it so much deeper. Like the Scar subplot is being fleshed out so much better here and it's the subplots that make a story work (IMO). Now, more Ling fighting action next week please? And I forgot, did La Fan (er, the ninja girl?) go down that fast in the manga? I remember that she was pretty seriously wounded but I thought that she helped fight as well. __________________ If it has a plot I have something to say about it! Twitter time!

2009-09-10, 13:33	Link #47
Charred Knight Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008	Can anyone tell me in a series rushed as it is that we wasted like 30 seconds on a recap for an episode that happened last week? Getting rid of the recap and having the dialouge of Ling vs Bradley in it's original form would have improved that scene greatly. Please tell me that they are not going to ignore most of the Ishval massacre flashback because why in the hell are Armstrong, Mustang, and Grand attacking the portion of Ishval Scar is in? Also Scar's brother was miscast with Takehito Koyasu. Yeah, I know his in pratically every anime series, but you don't need to throw him in just to have him in your series. His voice was far too badass sounding to be a bookworm. Last edited by Charred Knight; 2009-09-10 at 13:52.

2009-09-11, 00:38	Link #52
OkamiNoKaze Senior Member Join Date: May 2009	Great episode loved the fight between Bradley and Ling, glad there's more of it next week. Scars flashback was interesting, nice touch with blue eye thing, I got that Nazi allusion too, I think it would have been interesting if the Istvalans had red eyes in the flash backs. The blue eyes also kind of reminded me of Dune. By the name of the next episode, maybe we will see the little girl, or that could refer to Winry. __________________

2009-09-11, 22:43	Link #57
Yu Ominae ARCAM Spriggan agent Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Coquitlam, BC, Canada/Quezon City, Philippines	Reminds me of Yoda's saying about anger. "Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.” __________________ Even if we were at odds with each other, I still thank you for training me, Instructor Bowman - Yu Ominae, reflecting on Bowman's death after killing him in Phantom Island

2009-09-09, 16:19	Link #43
Kirarakim Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007	Finally watched the episode I actually was pretty pleased with this episode. I always get ready to be disappointed in what they cut out but it doesn't seem they cut out anything signifigant this time around. They did move up the stuff with Scar & his brother and that seemed to work. I do have mixed opinions about the blue eyed amestrians. Visually it definitely worked to explain why Scar killed Winry's parents. But then that part seems to signify that Amestrians are represented by blue eyes (like all the Ishbalans have red eyes). But my problem with this is its been shown that the Amestrians are not all blue eyed. Ah well a minor issue. Also from reading the chapter I never thought Winry was sobbing that hard at the end. But that's just a different interpretation I guess.

2009-09-10, 13:57	Link #48
Vicious108 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007	But in the end he was a badass bookworm.

2009-09-10, 16:16	Link #50
pulpwin マギ Join Date: Nov 2006	Ep. 22 was solid. Action, while there wasn't much of it, it was suffice for a set piece episode. Quite well paced scenes, and as usual the dialogue was substantial. Uninterupted Fuhrer vs. Ling should be enjoyable, so I hope we get that. I wish Gluttony was more relevant, at the moment he just isn't getting enough screen time, dialogue, or relevance to the story. I would have thought he would've become more involved and voiced once Lust died, whereby he should have been more emotionally expressed, which just hasn't happened.

2009-09-11, 09:02	Link #53
tieria.erde T-chan fan Join Date: May 2009	i can sympathies with Scar reminds me of how iraqis, afghans and palestinians are treated.

2009-09-12, 09:25	Link #58
Kanish Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009	I thought it was a fantastic episode. It did a beautiful job of showing the horrors of war. Sucks that Kimbly had no dialogue, but his kick-ass transmutation(the likes of which I haven't seen in the first series) more than made up for it. Definitely another victory for the second series over the first. I had my doubts about how well Winry would confront the killer of her parents in this series in comparison to the first one but they actually pulled it off in a way that was far superior to the first. Having Roy as the killer only came of as being awkward.

2009-09-12, 11:04	Link #60
Kanish Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009	I also initially felt the flashback felt kinda abrupt especially when Scar had no dialogue whatsoever in the previous episode or the fact that he wasn't in some kind of crisis situation that would warrant a flashback. But when it got to the whole empathizing point when Scar puts himself in Winry's shoes, it all made sense.