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2011-01-08, 21:14 | Link #11242 |
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Well it looks like it'll be while before the press can get a decent profile of the assaliant.
I liked how the Pima County Sherrif called out many people, including the media people (i.e. radio people) for helping to stoke vitriolic comments and craziness. Even if that may not have influenced the gunman, the threats against congresspeople is really lamentable and shameful. |
2011-01-08, 23:35 | Link #11244 |
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We live in a country governed by the rule of law, and we will never sacrifice that for the sake of "justice" that is not real justice to recognize the rights to due process. Unalienable rights do exist but it doesn't mean that they are morally acceptable for the punditry to say things like second amendment remedies and what sarah palin said about reloading.
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2011-01-09, 01:03 | Link #11245 |
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First off, the guy was a nut. But there a few disturbing implications.
First off, there's this official Sarah Palin poster with gun sights on several states and targets listed. Gifford is one of them. Gifford even responded to it: "Sarah Palin has the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district and when people do that, they’ve gotta realize there are consequences to that action.” --Gabrielle Gifford March 25, 2010, MSNBC Interview. And you may wanna look at her opponent, who ran this target Gifford and fire an M-16 event. Yeah, they didn't directly tell people to shoot their opposition. They merely engaged gun-loving nuts to think about their guns and fire them in opposition to the democratic party... just not at the party. Yep, clean hands here. They didn't encourage loonies and nutjobs at all... And for the record, I don't care to own a gun(although I find that resolve slipping more and more), but I fully support someone's right to do so. Our founding fathers knew how important it was, and I agree with their reasoning. While some countries can get away with not having guns, all studies show that, in the US, stricter gun control laws mean more gun homicides. I'll leave it as a mental exercise to find out why that is. |
2011-01-09, 02:25 | Link #11247 |
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As was a federal judge named John Roll.
Roll was a Bush Senior appointee. It should also be noted that Rep. Gabrielle Gifford was a blue-dog Dem. I say this because the vitriol that is being spewed by both the right-wing and the left-wing pundits right now is infuriating. The left is calling Jared Loughner a "tea bagger" who was only doing what Palin/Beck/Limbaugh were encouraging and the right is saying Jared was a "Commie" who was only doing what his favorite books (Mein Kamph and the Communist Manifesto) instructed him to do. Both sides are full of crap as far as I'm concerned. This guy was a straight up antisocial lunatic, and that's it. These vultures who are picking over the dead and injured to push their own political agendas (both right and left) make me sick.
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1. The vote is a staggered vote, where people can vote anywhere this week. Including Sudanese overseas. 2. The vote will be peaceful, but the aftermath It seems that no plan has been laid out for secession...?
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2011-01-09, 05:09 | Link #11250 | |||
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2011-01-09, 08:17 | Link #11251 |
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First of all, on the argument that anything may serve as a weapon, meaning that regulating or banning guns won't limit violence.
What a load of bullshit. A car, a pen or a chair can serve as weapons, but that was not their intended purpose. The purpose of a gun is very clear: It openly threatens lives. When you own a car, do you often contemplate using it to run your neighbor over, or does that happen more often when you carry a gun? Do you not imagine scenarios where you use lethal violence? Do you not think this access encourages violence? Second of all, on the argument that banning arms sales would have no effect and simply allow outlaws to possess all the firepower. What a twisted view of the world. You realise that of the available data that we have, the US ranks 7th in gun-related homicides? (Data source is United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime) You're supposed to be world leaders, a flippin' example! Some people still look up to that. (I've long stopped doing it) Perhaps you ought to live up to the standards of civilised society. Do you seriously think that this culture of violence that you have in place does not give a suitable environment for crime to prosper? Does France, a place where you have to jump through a million hoops to own a gun (My grandmother had to go through a lot in order to keep my grandfather's arms) figure in that same list? Third of all, on the argument that keeping guns allows you the power to keep your government in check. Complete Bullshit with a capital B. The military is supposed to uphold the values of the constitution, for one. The chances of the military suddenly dropping all of these beliefs is, frankly, nil. I've heard enough bullshit about your constitution to believe it is so fucking imprinted in your minds that I could scrub your brain with steel wool that it wouldn't come off. As for revolution against a country's government, it has happened before without a need for firearms. The French have a history of civil violence and their representatives during the republics have always had to deal with a fickle and powerful public base. Do they own firearms? No. Do they need firearms? No. Would making weapons more accessible in France increase the crimerate there? Undoubtedly. Does America need more fucking cops? Yes, I think so. But no, wait! Government intruding into your lives! Let's just give people more guns! If you're going to argument in favor of gun ownership, then at least make a proper fucking case. The American Second Amendment is already disgusting enough without people making a terrible case for it.
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2011-01-09, 08:28 | Link #11252 | ||
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2011-01-09, 08:33 | Link #11253 |
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Hamas urges militant groups to stop attacking Israel
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2011-01-09, 08:35 | Link #11254 | |
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The second amendment would be effective if only paired with a responsible, legal and ethical culture that viewed guns as a tool for extreme cases rather than option one, and as a protective tool rather than an offensive. As is the case today where violence and do-whatever-it-takes attitudes take hold of people who take the second amendment as the right to bear arms without the additional clause of responsible bearing of arms, you'll always have people who think they have the right to use their arms as they see fit. So until the culture of violence is removed from the minds of the people and they are taught just how gigantic the capacity to take the lives of others are, no amount of strict or lax control will ever stop violent crime.
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2011-01-09, 09:37 | Link #11257 | |
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2011-01-09, 10:08 | Link #11258 |
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I don't think guns are the same as a car or a knife, the gun is meant to be able to attack multiple targets in a short amount of time. A car maybe able to kill a bunch of people in a short amount of time but there needs to situations which allow for this, like no debris in between the people and the car, enough space to accelerate the car to a speed to kill the people or injury severly. The size of the car becomes a limiting factor as a weapon in an urban setting, but when something that weighs about 6-7 lbs (pistol) can be carried around semi-automatic which can fire from 12-17 rounds in rapid succession and which projectiles can travel at 100m/s it automatically becomes a weapon to worry about. It's it's efficiency as a tool for killing which is why people are afraid of guns. guns in a well trained assailant or a novice (gifford shooting) can kill many people in a short amount of time with less premeditation (car) or efficiency (knife) you have to move from one target at a time, and once the target realizes he/she can react and running is affective. In the end the gun is a tool, it's power and deadliness is what makes it such a great tool, but to not see the danger a gun can possess is flawed. For the most part gun owners are responsible but to say that guns are equally as dangerous as cars or other weapons in the wanton killings of civilians is a lie.
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2011-01-09, 11:32 | Link #11260 | |||
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It has been a while (almost four years ago!), and many of its original contributors have since moved on from AnimeSuki but, still, I feel that the guns and gun-control debate should have been moved to the thread where it belongs (I've added "guns" and "gun control" to the tags list; hopefully that would make these posts easier to find in the future).
Most of the key issues had already been thoroughly discussed, rendering many of the recent posts in the past few pages somewhat unnecessary. My opinion today hasn't changed from four years ago: The idea that the solution to gun crimes is to have even more guns is scary at best, and a delusion at worst. I still fail to see how encouraging a civilian arms race would make a country a safer place. But, hey, if Americans like it that way, who am I to argue? ============= Moving on, an exciting discovery on the scientific front: HK scientists store complex data in bacteria Quote:
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The above comes after a recent report about Chinese attempting to profit from fake eggs.
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