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Blackbeard D. Kuma · 2010-03-24, 18:01

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Originally Posted by roriconfan

^ Yeah, the whole world is about to go to kingdom come and he is still being sporty about it.
Vejita will later do the same with Cell.

It's all about the pride of the saiyans. Rather than doing things the easy way, they continuously seek to fight strong adversaries. They love to fight; and even if that means putting the world in danger, so be it

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roriconfan · 2010-03-25, 04:42

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Originally Posted by Blackbeard D. Kuma

It's all about the pride of the saiyans. Rather than doing things the easy way, they continuously seek to fight strong adversaries. They love to fight; and even if that means putting the world in danger, so be it

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Pride, brainless battle lust; it makes no difference for them.

Freerunner · 2010-03-25, 09:14

yeah it has one upside though -

they would never defeat more powerful enemy that comes, if they didnt push their limits with a previous one.

roriconfan · 2010-03-25, 09:31

I though training and shooting / healing yourself again and again could do the same.

DeX-kun · 2010-03-25, 13:14

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Originally Posted by roriconfan

I though training and shooting / healing yourself again and again could do the same.

Not necessarily. Saiyans live and die by their pride. Fighting against opponents that are on par or even stronger than them will most likely leave them near death which of course, causes their large increase in power level once they recover. Training won't do the same because I don't believe anyone would train to near death.

Most of the cases in DBZ when a Saiyan is training results in an accident which leads to a near death situation which is why Goku and Vegeta got much stronger after their solo training sessions.

FlareKnight · 2010-03-25, 14:22

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Originally Posted by roriconfan

^ Yeah, the whole world is about to go to kingdom come and he is still being sporty about it.
Vejita will later do the same with Cell.

Oddly I was thinking the same thing when reflecting on this episode. Really there isn't much of a difference between the two situations other than the end result. Makes one look like an idiot and the other look cool

. Reasonably it's probably better to win now since there is a ticking time bomb below them and if Goku doesn't win Freeza can waltz over to Earth and kill everyone without breaking a sweat.

But yeah can't get in the way of Saiyan pride. It's not worth doing if you aren't defeating the enemy at their best. Of course in this situation it is also a piece of revenge. Wants to make sure Freeza feels the helplessness of being unable to beat him before he finishes it off. Leave no illusion that there was a chance for Freeza to win.

roriconfan · 2010-03-25, 20:24

Saiyan pride has a lot of help on Earth. Earth has healing beans and dragonballs that allow a Saiyan to be more risky and cocky. It is so much easier to be healed or be ressurected so what if you take more risks? That allows a much faster rate of empowerment. Not to mention the dr. Brief's gravity machine, Kami's teachings and the Time Room.

SuperKnuckles · 2010-03-26, 05:07

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Originally Posted by DeX-kun

Not necessarily. Saiyans live and die by their pride. Fighting against opponents that are on par or even stronger than them will most likely leave them near death which of course, causes their large increase in power level once they recover. Training won't do the same because I don't believe anyone would train to near death.

Most of the cases in DBZ when a Saiyan is training results in an accident which leads to a near death situation which is why Goku and Vegeta got much stronger after their solo training sessions.

Also, with that kind of a fatalistic society of constant battling, I doubt they'd really be able to survive all those near death experiences. Hence why only the true freaks like Brolly came about.

But really, I do think the training + healing is a part of it. Without those Senzu beans, Goku would have never turned into a Supersaiyan and Vegeta wouldn't have had the courage to keep fighting against Freeza the way he did. And of course, that 'normal' training between Kai-Oh and the gravity room obviously helped.

LuckyCat · 2010-03-28, 12:04

Just finished 50. I always love how agreeable Ten Shin Han and Yamcha are about letting their bodies rot an extra year.

(Which come to think of it, is impossible since the dragon can't wish people back after a year.)

Spoiler for Ep 51:

Shiroth · 2010-03-28, 12:26

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Originally Posted by Shiosai

Spoiler for Ep 51:

Heh, easily one of the best scenes of the arc.

Vicious108 · 2010-03-30, 20:33

Just watched 50. Good episode but could've been better since they were clearly dragging it out at the end so the episode would finish in the same place as the original DBZ one.

Also this episode had some pretty funny moments. Like Tenshinhan telling Yamcha that he had Bulma waiting for him. Lol if only the poor guy could see into the future.

And also Bulma saying Piccolo would probably prefer to stay in his home planet when it's about to be blown to pieces. Moments like that remind me of how hilarious she was in the original DB.

And man I really hope Nozawa's performance in the scene Shiosai quoted is better than it was in the preview.

Freerunner · 2010-03-30, 22:26

yeah, episode dragged it a bit. they power up - and wee f'in' SEE that namek is blown to shi* with their enormous energy, no need to show all those rocks cracking that much.

MushroomSamba · 2010-03-30, 22:49

As much as I love the series' pacing so far, I agree that the episode felt sluggish. =\

Shiroth · 2010-03-31, 03:36

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Originally Posted by Endless Twilight

And also Bulma saying Piccolo would probably prefer to stay in his home planet when it's about to be blown to pieces. Moments like that remind me of how hilarious she was in the original DB.

Yeah i totally agree with you, and that was easily the best scene of the episode.

Will also agree that this episode felt a bit sluggish. It's pretty obvious that they wanted to end the episode at that point, though it feels seeing an episode like this, 50 episodes in.

Noe · 2010-03-31, 16:07

Weird, I don't remember Mr. Popo not being able to speak full sentences. Or maybe it's because it's with Shenlong.

Neosovereign · 2010-03-31, 18:17

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Originally Posted by Noe

Weird, I don't remember Mr. Popo not being able to speak full sentences. Or maybe it's because it's with Shenlong.

In the dub, at least, Mr. Popo spoke much better than the sub gives him credit for.
He did speak a little strangely though.

Dextro · 2010-03-31, 18:20

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Originally Posted by Neosovereign

In the dub, at least, Mr. Popo spoke much better than the sub gives him credit for.
He did speak a little strangely though.

At least in the Portuguese dub he didn't speak correct sentences so I didn't really find the subs that strange

MushroomSamba · 2010-04-01, 10:16

I still enjoy the voicework in DBZ Abridged's Mr. Popo the best. =)

Blaat · 2010-04-04, 03:03

And... they've included the Gohan vs Frieza filler 'fight'.

Spoiler for episode 51 + preview:

Vicious108 · 2010-04-04, 05:40

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Originally Posted by Blaat

And... they've included the Gohan vs Frieza filler 'fight'.

...Expected, but still disappointing. That was one of the dumbest fillers out there.

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LuckyCat Wise Kitty Cat Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Diego, CA	Just finished 50. I always love how agreeable Ten Shin Han and Yamcha are about letting their bodies rot an extra year. (Which come to think of it, is impossible since the dragon can't wish people back after a year.) Spoiler for Ep 51: Krillin no koto kaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!?

2010-03-30, 22:49	Link #1773
MushroomSamba Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2007 Location: Jersey Age: 39	As much as I love the series' pacing so far, I agree that the episode felt sluggish. =\ __________________

2010-03-31, 16:07	Link #1775
Noe HARDCORE Fate addict™ Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Fate's futon ofc Age: 31	Weird, I don't remember Mr. Popo not being able to speak full sentences. Or maybe it's because it's with Shenlong. __________________ ALL HAIL FATE T. HARLAOWN! #Feitoism @ irc.rizon.net to revere, share, and cherish Fate Testarossa Harlaown. My blog

2010-04-01, 10:16	Link #1778
MushroomSamba Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2007 Location: Jersey Age: 39	I still enjoy the voicework in DBZ Abridged's Mr. Popo the best. =) __________________

2010-04-04, 03:03	Link #1779
Blaat Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004	And... they've included the Gohan vs Frieza filler 'fight'. Spoiler for episode 51 + preview: Episode ends with everyone getting revived, next episode looks action packed I'm guessing the next episode will end it with Frieza doing the Kienzan __________________ MyAnimeList

2010-03-25, 09:14	Link #1763
Freerunner Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2009	yeah it has one upside though - they would never defeat more powerful enemy that comes, if they didnt push their limits with a previous one.

2010-03-25, 09:31	Link #1764
roriconfan Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Thessaloniki - Greece	I though training and shooting / healing yourself again and again could do the same.

2010-03-25, 20:24	Link #1767
roriconfan Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Thessaloniki - Greece	Saiyan pride has a lot of help on Earth. Earth has healing beans and dragonballs that allow a Saiyan to be more risky and cocky. It is so much easier to be healed or be ressurected so what if you take more risks? That allows a much faster rate of empowerment. Not to mention the dr. Brief's gravity machine, Kami's teachings and the Time Room.

2010-03-30, 20:33	Link #1771
Vicious108 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007	Just watched 50. Good episode but could've been better since they were clearly dragging it out at the end so the episode would finish in the same place as the original DBZ one. Also this episode had some pretty funny moments. Like Tenshinhan telling Yamcha that he had Bulma waiting for him. Lol if only the poor guy could see into the future. And also Bulma saying Piccolo would probably prefer to stay in his home planet when it's about to be blown to pieces. Moments like that remind me of how hilarious she was in the original DB. And man I really hope Nozawa's performance in the scene Shiosai quoted is better than it was in the preview.

2010-03-30, 22:26	Link #1772
Freerunner Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2009	yeah, episode dragged it a bit. they power up - and wee f'in' SEE that namek is blown to shi* with their enormous energy, no need to show all those rocks cracking that much.