2013-10-23, 15:45 | Link #41 | |
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obito was always destined to go down sniffling...(i have stronger words but ill withhold)...deep down he never really wanted to win. how sad is it that the world can only be a better place if its an illusion...he want naruto to win...he has been stalling since he stole gin and kin from that pot... but then again
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2013-10-23, 19:58 | Link #44 | |
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i wish obito had just gone legitimately crazy and there wasn't any hope of redemption and he was just a homicidal psycho. that would have been much better |
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2013-10-23, 20:13 | Link #45 | |
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Obito was already defeated. Now Kishi is setting up for him to die heroically while stopping Madara. |
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2013-10-23, 20:14 | Link #46 | |
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Obito and Madara are just well-intentioned extremists, you just aren't going to get irredeemable antagonists in this series. Orochimaru is the closest but he isn't there (Maybe he will though, who knows?). |
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2013-10-23, 21:15 | Link #47 | |
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i didnt say there shouldn't have been a reason for obito to go insane. i said him being a legitimate evil person would be way better than this drivel. it's the same thing again and again. a good person gone wrong, blah blah blah. bad people do exist. we're talking about a person who wanted to literally control the entire world, taking everyone's free will away and killing anyone who got in his way in the process. do we really need a redemption sob-story from such a character? when you watch historical recounts of hitler or stalin or bundy or dahmer do you secretly wish they had a sob story that made them do what they did? and in the very end get redeemed by helping a little? it's stupid. |
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2013-10-23, 23:07 | Link #48 |
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Seriously, why do people keep thinking Rin is the entire and only reason Obito goes with the Moon's Eye Plan? Rin getting killed is the catalyst that sets Obito on his nihilistic path, he's convinced that the world he lives in piece of garbage, and uses Rin's circumstances leading to her death as an example of how he thinks the wretched the world is. Where having to get your teamate ( a friend, no less! ) perform assisted-suicide on you just so you prevent yourself from hurting/killing your loved ones. Her death to Obito was what one could say was an eye-opening experience, Madara's words fanning the flames of his new world-view weren't helping him mourn any better.
Also where the hell did the crying endlessy about Rin come from? The guy's only talked about it to people two times for fuck's sake, he's never mentioned her to anyone sans Madara and Kakashi. If you didn't pick it up by now I'll say it now. When Kishimoto writes a character and develops them to a certain extent he will always make up a background for them and always gives the readers reasons for what drives them. Likely the only exception to this is Hidan. I don't know if Obito will be possibly redeemed or not, and I am not defending if it makes a good plot-point ( as it is subjective ), however what I am defending are HIS reasons for doing all of the stuff he did ( as misguided as they may be ). And since when were we talking about RL? I'm addressing this series exclusively, thank you very much. |
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2013-10-23, 23:21 | Link #50 | |
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W.e. screw it, it seems like you dislike each chapter that's come out recently anyway. |
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2013-10-24, 02:04 | Link #51 |
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i read it and it was nonsensical. it's impossible to discuss anything with someone who invents their own story. not only that, but you won't even acknowledge that literature (however fantastical) is rooted in the author's understanding of history and reality. i.e. the bijou being used as war deterrents in a cold war between rival villages are rooted in the reality of atomic weapons
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2013-10-24, 03:53 | Link #53 | |
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Yes i know madara pocesses hashiramas wood-style chakra and all but 'sage art' is a special skill that has to be learnt by the user. An example is kabuto, even after absorbing orochimaru's chakra he had to go to the Ryuuchi cave to learn senjutsu. But i wont underestimate madara. With that shinobi very few things are impossible. His 'aquired senjutsu' might even be his trump card. |
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2013-10-24, 04:27 | Link #54 |
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It would be good trolling from Kishi, if after Madara and Obito has been defeated and Naruto is announced to be Hokage series ends in way that in final panel Naruto and Sasuke is about to clash with smiling faces and we will never know who wins.
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2013-10-24, 05:06 | Link #55 | |
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The last panel of Naruto is the most epic I have ever seen him look.
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2013-10-24, 07:03 | Link #57 |
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Kabuto can regain control over Madara,he was going to take Itachi back remember.
It wont be easy but a crafty bastard like Kabuto probably implanted a seal already. And all Kabuto has to do to break free from the trance is to realise his true self,which could be the all out evil guy some people would like to see in this story. I've always thought Kabuto's character was creepier than Orochimaru. |
2013-10-24, 11:37 | Link #58 | ||
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but oohhh wait! here is the punchline...he is actually gonna give/pair the bijuu with his rookie friends (or whoever alive is compatible) LOL j/k (but the bijuu are gonna have to go somewhere/do something as long as this war continues) Quote:
madara should be able to use senjutsu chakra since he has the power of the rinnegan. we saw edo nagato rob 8tails chakra in order to return himself to primetime power, before that we saw the chakra-absorbing Pain turn to a frog when he captured naruto. there is evidence in the story that chakra can be stolen and then utilized. perhaps its only momentary but they maybe all the time he would need to take obito down and considering obito is losing resolve it wouldnt be that hard... edit: sorry didnt mean to double post
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2013-10-24, 15:57 | Link #59 | ||
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2013-10-24, 20:40 | Link #60 |
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uummmmm.... could you please stop giving kishi ideas like this? it actually kind of adds up and apparently the kyuubi cloak isn't extremely harmful and unbearable to people anymore since the kyuubi turned 'good', so maybe the k11 and gaara tag-teaming with the bijou isn't that far off... it's the stuff of nightmares...
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