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2013-06-07, 02:23 | Link #28723 |
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Remember the scene in Simpsons movie
NSA: bored to death *Phone call of Homer to his wife while hiding from his neighbor* NSA: *Excited*Hoorayyy! Guys, I got one!"
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2013-06-07, 03:58 | Link #28725 | |
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2013-06-07, 04:15 | Link #28727 | |
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2013-06-07, 08:09 | Link #28728 | |
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Oh, I don't know, something about government overreach and trampling on the rights of citizens, but obviously you don't care about any of that Really? in a massive showcase of government overreach, the conclusion you managed to draw is that gun owners are terrible? |
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2013-06-07, 08:45 | Link #28730 | |
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As a personal side-point firearms are pretty much pointless if the energy you face is the government or army. They will always have more guns and ammunition than you plus it would seem the US government is making it harder these days for civilians to gain ammo. If change must happen it takes organised work from the community and people standing up for one another. This is more helpful in maintain freedom than guns will ever be. If people united in big enough groups it will be very difficult for the government to issue the order to kill civilians even if they are labelled "terrorists" of the State. |
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2013-06-07, 09:22 | Link #28732 | ||
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The same sort of thing happened in Syria and Libya. Troops there fired at civilians and while some deserted the army not everyone did. It is only after a time that slowly but surely there will be generals who will pull out and join the rebels that the tide would turn but then when that occurs you get the beginnings of a civil war. Granted this scenario is not inevitable as the whole army can rebel against the government from the get-go as happened in Egypt but again in that case guns were unnecessary because there was no armed conflict. People simply protested in big enough numbers for the government to step down. Beating armies, and governments is not really done through owning guns. It takes people joining up and getting together. An even better way of fighting the government however is not to take up arms and build a community that is self-sufficient as possible and is not dependent on the government to provide services. If you can get to the position were you are so self-sufficient that you can refuse your money AND labour then the government and corporations will be hit hard where it really matters. This was the tactic of Gandhi against the British using civil disobedience to gain independence. |
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2013-06-07, 09:23 | Link #28733 |
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I believe monir's point was just proven. More energy has been expended talking about guns than privacy since the PRISM story was linked here.
That said, I'm appauled, but it's not like there's anything we can do about it. The government will do what it wants, and destroying the privacy of citizens is clearly something both sides agree on. Thus, your only options are to vote for the guy who is currently spying on you, or the guy who will start spying on you once the first guy is gone. And that isn't about D or R, but just incumbent vs newcomer. |
2013-06-07, 09:52 | Link #28734 | |
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Iran not U.N. nuclear watchdog's only headache, report shows
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2013-06-07, 12:01 | Link #28736 | |
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But as for PRISM? I'm no longer shocked. I was "shocked" once with this revelation years ago and will not be shocked again (on this issue). Just think of PRISM as the "software" or the final piece of the that's needed to justify and power up that huge "Facility" slated to open in Bluffdale, Utah this fall (and word is that that "Facility" can store data equivalent to 312 billion iPhones!) |
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Grow thicker skin. Seriously.
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2013-06-07, 13:41 | Link #28738 | |
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2013-06-07, 13:46 | Link #28739 | |
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And really, the whole gun issue has far more to do than some theoretical rebellion scenario, so stop trying to frame it as such. On the whole PRISM thing, they went way overboard in the name of security. I mean, really, what kind of precedent does this set? I'm all the more exasperated by what I see and hear from the every day folks, many of whom seems all too happy to fall along the "if you have nothing to hide, then you've got nothing to be afraid of, therefore everything is ok!" line. |
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2013-06-07, 14:49 | Link #28740 |
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Paper: UK government getting US spy agency's data:
"The U.K. has been secretly gathering communications data from American Internet giants with the help of fellow spooks at the U.S. National Security Agency, the Guardian newspaper reported Friday, a demonstration of the international scope of America's top-secret espionage program. The Guardian said it had seen documents showing how the British signals intelligence agency GCHQ has had access to America's "PRISM" electronic eavesdropping system since at least June 2010, adding that the data had generated nearly 200 intelligence reports over the past year." See: http://news.yahoo.com/paper-uk-gover...142348677.html I guess the NSA believes in "sharing the wealth". Last edited by AnimeFan188; 2013-06-07 at 22:43. |
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