(L) UQ Holder (Ken Akamatsu's new series)

[felix]

Spoiler for 28:

Looks like a pretty boring dues ex machina with "lets introduce all these characters in fighting mode" yey?

Oh well. My only gripe with it is that it seems to break all the buildup.

[XFire]

Originally Posted by felix

Spoiler for 28:

Looks like a pretty boring dues ex machina with "lets introduce all these characters in fighting mode" yey?

Oh well. My only gripe with it is that it seems to break all the buildup.

Spoiler for spoiler:

Really? Rather than a Deus Ex Machina, I'm surprised it took this long for the rest of UQ to react. I mean, a group of people that exist solely to hunt immortals and a private military force just jumped all over their new recruits. I'm guessing they were there from the beginning and just watching Touta and the others to see how well they'd do.

edit: lol, spoilers

[felix]

Originally Posted by XFire

Spoiler for spoiler:

Really? Rather than a Deus Ex Machina, I'm surprised it took this long for the rest of UQ to react. I mean, a group of people that exist solely to hunt immortals and a private military force just jumped all over their new recruits. I'm guessing they were there from the beginning and just watching Touta and the others to see how well they'd do.

Spoiler for 28:

I only meant it as a dues ex machina from a purely story telling perspective.

"Cheap resolution" would have probably been a better word to use there. My bad.

[EvI]

Spoiler for chapter 28:

well i actually think that there was no need to put everyone there, eva alone could end that easily.

well i think the author only wants to show us how everyone fights...

[amtro]

Stuff like this needlessly annoys me to no end. The term is Deus ex Machina.
It means "God from the machine" and refers to the unexpected introduction of a plot element that allows you to solve a crisis, or unsolvable problem in a story.
You are misusing the term, stop it. No one here in their right mind failed to see this coming from a mile away.

[Tenzen12]

It was clear from begenning, Touta CAN'T take whole army trained to fight immortals and considering scale of disaster there is NOTHING suprising nor cheap about this chapter develoment.

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by amtro

Stuff like this needlessly annoys me to no end. The term is Deus ex Machina.
It means "God from the machine" and refers to the unexpected introduction of a plot element that allows you to solve a crisis, or unsolvable problem in a story.
You are misusing the term, stop it. No one here in their right mind failed to see this coming from a mile away.

Yes, that's what "Deus ex Machina" means. There's also "Dues ex Machina", used only (albeit often) on the internet, which means "any plot development I don't personally like". ^_^

[SoloPanda]

Originally Posted by quigonkenny

Yes, that's what "Deus ex Machina" means. There's also "Dues ex Machina", used only (albeit often) on the internet, which means "any plot development I don't personally like". ^_^

hehe this right here is pretty much how it gets used normally.

This chapter kinda made me think of what Karin said in chapter 24. "This is.. A junction point of sorts for Konoe Touta. If things turn out badly UQ Holder will take responsibility and take him out. I will not let you interfere."

It felt odd at the time because UQ Holder wasn't there. But it turns out that they were there. I Kinda see it like this. The thing Kuromaru shot off was the signal for help. Everyone was in position in case things turned south with either Touta or the Hunters. It seems like it was something like a test to see if he could handle ME. If he goes berserk and fails they kill him or seal him and if he controls it then they sit back and watch.

So basically it seems like Touta was sent on the mission to go berserk and see if he was just a monster or if he could really be a member of UQ Holder.

Jinbei is a 1400 year old immortal... and a convenience store clerk

[chaosprophet]

Originally Posted by SoloPanda

It felt odd at the time because UQ Holder wasn't there. But it turns out that they were there. I Kinda see it like this. The thing Kuromaru shot off was the signal for help. Everyone was in position in case things turned south with either Touta or the Hunters. It seems like it was something like a test to see if he could handle ME. If he goes berserk and fails they kill him or seal him and if he controls it then they sit back and watch.

I don't think the other UQ already were there. But Kuroumaru sent the signal, and they aren't too far away from UQ's HQ. And those people should all be able of pretty quick movement.

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by SoloPanda

hehe this right here is pretty much how it gets used normally.

This chapter kinda made me think of what Karin said in chapter 24. "This is.. A junction point of sorts for Konoe Touta. If things turn out badly UQ Holder will take responsibility and take him out. I will not let you interfere."

It felt odd at the time because UQ Holder wasn't there. But it turns out that they were there. I Kinda see it like this. The thing Kuromaru shot off was the signal for help. Everyone was in position in case things turned south with either Touta or the Hunters. It seems like it was something like a test to see if he could handle ME. If he goes berserk and fails they kill him or seal him and if he controls it then they sit back and watch.

So basically it seems like Touta was sent on the mission to go berserk and see if he was just a monster or if he could really be a member of UQ Holder.

Jinbei is a 1400 year old immortal... and a convenience store clerk

Eva herself is capable of teleportation form fairly long distances.

[Avrorrange]

Bit disappointed Eva didn't solo the PMCs.

[AlphaDragoon]

Haha, holy hell. These redshirts are dead.

[SoloPanda]

Well I can see how this is gonna go unless Jack Rakan is on the enemy side or something. Now I wonder how Karin Senpai is gonna get back. she's about 240 thousand miles from the earth atm. if she does an instant movement towards the earth at the speed of sound she would move around 761 miles per hour. it would take her 13 days to hit the earth and depending on which side of the earth she ends up on she'd have to get home some how. Now I know my idea here is missing a lot of things relating to physics and scientific laws but I'm ok with that.. it's F..ing magic.

[Netto Azure]

So many redshirts indeed. But still these private companies have merged Magic and Science ever since the revelations, and it seems Mars and the Magic World is still separate in terms of existence. Interesting.

[dmaxzero]

Typical Akamatsu show.

Very meh this series, but I guess I´ll keep at it for now. At least is bloody.

[AstroNerdBoy]

Originally Posted by EvI

Spoiler for chapter 28:

well i actually think that there was no need to put everyone there, eva alone could end that easily.

well i think the author only wants to show us how everyone fights...

You may be right about the reasons Akamatsu-sensei brought in the others, but while I wanted to see Eva go "mama bear" on Nagumo and company, I also like the idea of bringing in overwhelming firepower on an opponent. The worst mistake is underestimating an opponent, and Eva did get caught flatfooted by that one bounty hunter in chapter 1. She's not stupid, so bring in the cavalry.

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

Eva herself is capable of teleportation form fairly long distances.

The awesomeness of using shadow gates as well as shundo.

Originally Posted by SoloPanda

Now I wonder how Karin Senpai is gonna get back. she's about 240 thousand miles from the earth atm.

I find myself wondering how this aspect will be resolved as well. I'm actually rather curious to see which way Akamatsu-sensei will go on this issue.

[Sage Shinigami]

Originally Posted by amtro

Stuff like this needlessly annoys me to no end. The term is Deus ex Machina.
It means "God from the machine" and refers to the unexpected introduction of a plot element that allows you to solve a crisis, or unsolvable problem in a story.
You are misusing the term, stop it. No one here in their right mind failed to see this coming from a mile away.

lol, glad this doesn't just bug me. For it to be a Deus ex Machina, something that previously did not exist in the story would have to show up to save Touta. Nah, this is just acceptable story logic. I hate that someone had to show up to save the guy, but he was pretty clearly in over his head.

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by SoloPanda

Well I can see how this is gonna go unless Jack Rakan is on the enemy side or something. Now I wonder how Karin Senpai is gonna get back. she's about 240 thousand miles from the earth atm. if she does an instant movement towards the earth at the speed of sound she would move around 761 miles per hour. it would take her 13 days to hit the earth and depending on which side of the earth she ends up on she'd have to get home some how. Now I know my idea here is missing a lot of things relating to physics and scientific laws but I'm ok with that.. it's F..ing magic.

Lunar escape velocity is better than 5300 mph. Even if she can do instant movement that fast, she would have to be moving "up" with respect to the moon, which doesn't really strike me as an "instant movement" thing. You're at flight at that point.

[amtro]

Spoiler for ch. 29:

Holy crap, it appears that Fate is the mysterious client who ordered for Touta's capture. That begs the question of why would Fate order the slaying of immortals if he is an immortal himself?

[Seitsuki]

That's like asking 'why do humans kill other humans'.