[Game] Umineko no Naku Koro ni - Ep. 4 Alliance of the golden witch

[Marion]

Personally I've never been 100% anti-fantasy. While I don't believe murders were caused via magical means I don't doubt that there can be some kind of magical presence we aren't aware of. Technically, once the game ends Battler can say Beatrice is a real witch. He can't say that stuff during the game, because then he loses. But out of the game he can acknowledge her existence without any harm on him or his family.

[k//eternal]

I've always assumed the final ending will have "anti-mystery" elements, possibly because the full anti-fantasy solution involves some kind of tragedy. In order to preserve the integrity of his family and save Beato, Battler accepts the existence of witches, but also finds a way to keep his family alive and return home, thus creating the supposedly impossible miracle... something like that.

[Jan-Poo]

I've always been 100% anti-fantasy untill the Ep4 secret party.

LD and Bern statement sounded like a giant loser flag to me.

[Renall]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

I've always been 100% anti-fantasy untill the Ep4 secret party.

LD and Bern statement sounded like a giant loser flag to me.

Who says Beatrice and Battler can't both win? They just have to change the objective from "beat each other" to "beat Lambdadelta."

[vandakiara]

but in order to beat LD one of them has to lose the game.. so they can't both win can they?

[Jan-Poo]

Not necessarily, LD loses if the eternal loop of games ends. No matter who in that game loses or wins. in Ep4 we have clearly seen that even in the case that the game get frozen forever LD loses.

Now as to how both Beato and Battler can win... that's something I can't predict.

[maximilianjenus]

Originally Posted by Avisch

Ok I got a theory. Sorry if it overlaps with someone else's. Im still reading all the pages of this thread

Spoiler for Ep4 Theory:

One of the survivors of the 1st twilight is the culprit, but only including: Krauss, Kyrie, Kanon, and Shannon.

Why them? They are all present within the "room supposedly in Kuwadorian"

After the the 1st twilight. S/he moves everyone to the room (it takes atleast ten minutes to do this, so s/he uses some sort of device).

S/he wakes up with everyone and pretends to be a victim and as such controls everything to lead to everyone's death.

This doesn't solve Gohda's and Kumasawa's death.

Spoiler for Ep4 Theory:

I think the culprit is kyrie (to keep the killer milfs thmee ongoing)

There is no need to take anybody to a special room, she could just shoot everyone dead, then use the survivors as hostages , she could tell gohda and kumasawa to tell the kids the magical version because she would kill the hostages otherwise.

for the phone calls she only needs to press krauss, after that she can kill kanon et all. then jessica/shannon kills george, jessica gets killed later by kyrie. then kyrie fakes her magic death by calling the only survivor (batler) but factorX, which is responsable of the misteryous endgame deaths kills her for real and moves her to the inside of the mansion while shooting the wall (the alst part is not that necesary, I just like that theory).

[Renall]

The problem I have with the "they let Gohda and Kumasawa go and told them to tell a story" idea is that they're unsupervised. Even if they WERE worried about the hostages, surely they'd tell the cousins what really happened, then warn them not to let the hostage taker know until someone could formulate a plan. I would imagine at least one of them has to be in on it, to keep the other from blabbing. But I can't imagine which of the two would be in this case, especially if the hostage taker is somebody like Kyrie.

[vandakiara]

btw it just came to mind... when did ryu-sama announce the title of the 4th game? was it weeks before the release? or even earlier? *can't wait for anything related to the 5th Episode*

[maximilianjenus]

I rmmeber that the third game'0s title got announced way earlier... but thena gain I might have been caught in a loop while waiting for the english patch and it was actually just a few weeks.

[momobunny]

I also think it was announced way earlier, I remember a bit of speculation on who the girl in the portrait was. (It was Eva-Beatrice but many thought it was Maria)

[vandakiara]

oh then Ep5's title should have been announced by now right? Hmmm I wonder when Ryu-sama is going to talk about it... Ep 5 is almost finished so...

[Marion]

Originally Posted by Maho Momo

I also think it was announced way earlier, I remember a bit of speculation on who the girl in the portrait was. (It was Eva-Beatrice but many thought it was Maria)

I thought it was Rosa myself. Maybe it was just the lighting of the picture, since if the hair was more orange looking I would think it was Eva.

Well Comiket is in August, and it's only the start of July. There might be no new 'witch' so that's why you might not be able to compare it to EP 3 which was announced earlier. Plus every episode gets longer and longer than the last.

[LyricalAura]

Originally Posted by vandakiara

oh then Ep5's title should have been announced by now right? Hmmm I wonder when Ryu-sama is going to talk about it... Ep 5 is almost finished so...

According to his blog, all the text is done except for the characters' "current condition" text in the TIPS. Also, there's new characters to be drawn, and he's been playing Left 4 Dead. I'm a little worried.

[Kitsu]

He played Left 4 Dead while writing? New characters? ... I feel like this is gonna be awesome...and at the same time I'm a little bit...ehm "scared"

[Marion]

Left 4 Dead :U Oh boy...

[maximilianjenus]

I like the new characters bit.

[momobunny]

Even MORE characters? =P

Well, that alone excites me. I can't wait to see who they are! (maybe we'll even get a young Ange!! :3 )

[Coruja]

Originally Posted by Maho Momo

Even MORE characters? =P

Well, that alone excites me. I can't wait to see who they are! (maybe we'll even get a young Ange!! :3 )

ROFL, yeah, but I can only imagine how the hell is he going to introduce new characters... It's all so confusing already...

[Jan-Poo]

I'd love to see that. It would be wonderful if one of the next games will have Ange going to Rokkenjima (even though it's supposed to be impossible)

Spoiler for higurashi:

However if in Higurashi Hanyuu could materialize nothing is really impossible