Code Geass R2 - Episode 19 Discussion / Poll

[Micante]

Originally Posted by Sports72Xtrm

Suzaku and Lelouch has a bond that can never be replicated. Kallen can never destroy their love

Yes, Lelouch only puts on his complete bad guy act for Suzaku and Suzaku alone. That speech at the end of Season 1 was meant for Suzaku's ears, Kallen just happened to overhear it.

[Traece]

Originally Posted by Sports72Xtrm

Which is what I hate about her. She believes in Lelouch but really has nothing substantial to base that faith on since Lelouch is a man of contradictions. But she continues to stick up for him on nothing more than faith alone and that he gets the job done. She really is the Newzaku (new suzaku).

Love. You're welcome for explaining Kallen. I even gave a one-word explanation so it was easy to understand.

Originally Posted by Yorae_paladin1

who said she abandoned him Lulu just wanted her out of harms way if she sided with him fully there then she would get bullet in the head for her trouble.

She's a woman in love. She'll believe whatever he tells her because that's how she feels. All things considered, Lelouch just needed her out of the way so she wouldn't die for him. But at least he has to let her know he cares.

[Village Idiot]

Originally Posted by Diedrupo

The UFN = BK. They aren't splitting up and Lelouch/Zero definately isn't resuming control over the UFN.

What are you talking about? Lelouch was never the leader of the UFN. Lelouch help design the UFN into a representative democracy where everyone have a voice, so not one person can take absolute control.

[co128]

Originally Posted by Sports72Xtrm

Suzaku and Lelouch has a bond that can never be replicated. Kallen can never destroy their love

yes she can, with her big boobs

[Sports72Xtrm]

Originally Posted by Yorae_paladin1

They BK are children and have always been children they couldn't do without Lulu in the beginnin and now throw hissy fits at the revelations.

This org was doomed from its conception.

The Black Knights needed Lelouch as much as Lelouch needed the Black Knights. I am curious how far is he suppose to get with the limited resources he now has.

[chrisbad726]

Originally Posted by finalnight

Did anyone notice that they changed the opening too.

i noticed it as well. its just the ending of it. instead of day it is night.

[co128]

Originally Posted by Traece

Love. You're welcome for explaining Kallen. I even gave a one-word explanation so it was easy to understand.



She's a woman in love. She'll believe whatever he tells her because that's how she feels. All things considered, Lelouch just needed her out of the way so she wouldn't die for him. But at least he has to let her know he cares.

I thought it was more hero worship than love.

[morbosfist]

Lelouch is resourceful and can make people do his bidding. He'll manage. The Black Knights, not so much.

[Micante]

Originally Posted by co128

yes she can, with her big boobs

Her big boobs can what? Replicate or destroy?

[co128]

Originally Posted by Micante

Her big boobs can what? Replicate or destroy?

errm... both?

[zalem]

Originally Posted by Gundam-ya

I'm surprised people aren't mentioning Jeremiah(well, a few people have in the pages I've read). He still should be on Lelouche's side and he knows the most about Geass out of everyone that's left(besides Lelouche and Charles). And doesn't he still have the Geass Canceller?

No one is mentioning him because it's obvious he is on Lelouch's side. He doesn't give a rat's ass about the BK and he won't go back to Britannia. Remember to redeem his failure to protect Marianne and show his loyalty he must defend Lelouch Vi Britannia. There's really nothing the other side can say to shake his loyalty because he already knows everything and what he doesn't know he wouldn't really care about anyway. All he wants is to serve the son of Marianne.

[JesseJamesRocket]

Originally Posted by Freya

Well at least he's not obsessive and stalker.

Yeah, fortunately for Suzaku, he's had enough people to care about, and that cared about him in his life to escape that brand of suffering.

[morbosfist]

Originally Posted by zalem

No one is mentioning him because it's obvious he is on Lelouch's side. He doesn't give a rat's ass about the BK and he won't go back to Britannia. Remember to redeem his failure to protect Marianne and show his loyalty he must defend Lelouch Vi Britannia. There's really nothing the other side can say to shake his loyalty because he already knows everything and what he doesn't know he wouldn't really care about anyway. All he wants is to serve the son of Marianne.

Hopefully the Black Knights don't ask for that Knightmare back, they'll never survive his loyalty if they try it.

[co128]

Originally Posted by Sports72Xtrm

The Black Knights needed Lelouch as much as Lelouch needed the Black Knights. I am curious how far is he suppose to get with the limited resources he now has.

You might've mentioned it, but the key to the black knights is the continued functions of the UFN. If the Chinese Federation and European add-ons don't continue the support of the Japanese, the BK's manpower and industrial resources would be severely hampered. Betraying their leader is a big gamble because it should at least leave some dissident amongst the political and military bodies of the UFN. All they're counting on is Schniezel's promises, which seem rather ridiculous considering that Britannia has a rather rigid doctrine concerning letting one of their colonies have independence. If they let Japan go, a lot of the areas will begin thinking that the Empire might not be as capable of maintaining their colonies and might also rebel...

[Gundam-ya]

Originally Posted by zalem

No one is mentioning him because it's obvious he is on Lelouch's side. He doesn't give a rat's ass about the BK and he won't go back to Britannia. Remember to redeem his failure to protect Marianne and show his loyalty he must defend Lelouch Vi Britannia. There's really nothing the other side can say to shake his loyalty because he already knows everything and what he doesn't know he wouldn't really care about anyway. All he wants is to serve the son of Marianne.

And? That doesn't explain what will happen to him. Of course, no one knows what will happen until the next episodes. Because he is siding with Lelouch, doesn't that make him an enemy?

[Micante]

Originally Posted by morbosfist

Hopefully the Black Knights don't ask for that Knightmare back, they'll never survive his loyalty if they try it.

Speaking of that... I wonder if the conversation between Jeremiah and Suzaku meant anything important. After all... why choose Jeremiah, of all people? I guess there's the Nunnally thing.

[Sports72Xtrm]

Originally Posted by co128

You might've mentioned it, but the key to the black knights is the continued functions of the UFN. If the Chinese Federation and European add-ons don't continue the support of the Japanese, the BK's manpower and industrial resources would be severely hampered. Betraying their leader is a big gamble because it should at least leave some dissident amongst the political and military bodies of the UFN. All they're counting on is Schniezel's promises, which seem rather ridiculous considering that Britannia has a rather rigid doctrine concerning letting one of their colonies have independence. If they let Japan go, a lot of the areas will begin thinking that the Empire might not be as capable of maintaining their colonies and might also rebel...

And my reply is....

Originally Posted by Sports72Xtrm

Idk if I can defend the OotBK decision. On one hand, Zero did screw them over and it's not like they can ask Zero why he was being a dick since he has a supernatural power that can control all of them. On the other hand, by working with Britannia it's going to cause some trouble with UFN. If the UFN sticks together, then I think it was a good decision, since they get Japan and they're still stronger together even with out Zero pulling their strings. But if the UFN breaks up then it might have been a dumb move since they just weakened themselves. Either way, I think it was a good idea to usurp Lelouch's power if I was a Black Knight since he clearly can't be trusted. I would rather they just got rid of Lelouch and keep fighting Britannia instead of forming a neutral pact with both parties.

[JesseJamesRocket]

Originally Posted by Sports72Xtrm

The Black Knights needed Lelouch as much as Lelouch needed the Black Knights. I am curious how far is he suppose to get with the limited resources he now has.

I'm thinking that the Black Knights will be nearly as effective with Xing Ke and Toudou leading and strategizing. Lelouch is now free to work in a completely covert manner. Yeah, they know he's out there, but that's all they know. He could strike at any time, in any way. Not to mention that Orange-kun and Kallen are still loyal to him. Things should be more interesting from here on out. They'll be begging Lelouch to return to them once they lose a few more battles than usual, and Schneizel drops the Ougi/Viletta bomb, making them think that the whole thing was a set up.

[Dream_Traveller]

If Xing-ke doesn't leave due to the BKs siding with Britannia, in a sense, or drop dead, and Toudou's nowhere near as good a commander as Zero was.

[morbosfist]

Originally Posted by Micante

Speaking of that... I wonder if the conversation between Jeremiah and Suzaku meant anything important. After all... why choose Jeremiah, of all people? I guess there's the Nunnally thing.

Jeremiah was the only one around. They needed an enemy and anyone else wouldn't have been so civil.