2004-11-29, 13:24 | Link #1 |
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Justice [GSeed] = Super Gundam [Zeta]?
Okay, I spent several good long minutes browsing back through all 10 pages of threads in this forums and after a number of unsuccessful search queries, I'm unable to locate the thread I was thinking of. So, I shall start this one and if anyone can remember a similar thread, please point it out.
There has been something bothering me pretty much since the Justice Gundam was introduced in Gundam Seed. Mainly, I know I've seen that mobile suit somewhere before. For the life of me however, I wasn't quite able to put a face or model number to it until now. After casually rewatching a couple episodes of Zeta Gundam it struck me. The Justice Gundam is a ripoff or clone of sorts of the Super Gundam. For those who don't know, the Super Gundam is formed by combining the RX-178 Gundam Mark II with the FXA-05D G-Defenser. Together the fighter and the Gundam become the Super Gundam to which the Justice Gundam bares and uncanny and entirely unnatural resemblence to. Swap the long range rifle with a laser pistol, lose the large missle pods on the sides and the two suits might just be the same. Now, if this has been pointed out before, ignore it and go on with your day. On the other hand, if it's just me, sleep deprived and hungry, that sees this resemblence, feel free to let me know. On that note, I finish saying that I'd swear there's a suit nearly indenticle to the Freedom Gundam too... |
2004-11-29, 13:57 | Link #4 |
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Yeah, put aside the colour scheme and they do look alike. However Justice has its own unique characteristics, the main one being the flight pack which can be used as a separate unit and a surf board of sorts (Sorry I don't know the real term for that but it's the best I can come up with at the moment ). As for Freedom... Well I'm sure it just screams a whole lot rips.
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2004-11-29, 13:57 | Link #5 | |
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Their piloted? They are involved in a war? |
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2004-11-29, 15:09 | Link #6 | |
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On the Super Gundam the the backpack/fighter can detach and be operated via remote control as a mobile armor/fighter by the Gundam pilot. Likewise, the Justice's backpack/sublift unit can also be detached and operated via remote control by the pilot. However, neither of the two backpack unit can function as surfboard like units, you're thinking of something else. You're most likely thinking of the Seed equivilant to the Dodai Kai units. |
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2004-11-29, 17:15 | Link #7 |
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Not so much a surfboard, but a platform of sorts. Sort of like the Guul in SEED, which the Gundam squad used in their assaults on the Archangel when they were on Earth. That's shortsightedness on my part for not looking up the proper term on MAHQ until now.
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2004-11-29, 18:50 | Link #10 | |
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I would say that Justice is closer to Gengaozo from Victory Gundam.
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As for Justice and Super Gundam....I don't see it. In design, the back units have a vaguely similar purpose. However, the G-Defensor was designed so that Mk. II could hold up against the swarm of advanced suits that the Titans were throwing out. The Fatum-00 sub-flight lifter [which is based on the Guul sub-flight lifter] was designed to allow Justice to fly in atmosphere. Both units add a bit of weaponry to their respective suits, but I would assume that's natural to avoid the pack being dead weight. It also bears noting that Justice was designed with the Fatum pack already integrated. G-Defensor was a stop-gap made well after the original design was made to keep it a bit further from obsolecense. When it comes to copying designs, it really becomes a moot issue. After 25 years, how "original" can anything in Gundam truly be? There is constant repetition of theme, character, and mechanics. Most often when people complain about "copying" or "ripping off" it is not only superficial, but not comprehensive. Such as the DX/Freedom comparison. The only thing I see is the wings and they aren't that much alike. It's usually one element that two designs have in common and the design that was made second is considered a rip-off. It's fairly short sighted to miss the unique characteristics that distinguish one suit from another in order to harp on the similarities that a suit might share with another suit. |
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2004-11-29, 21:13 | Link #12 | |
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That's why SEED is being more conservative when it comes to designs... Because its extremely hard to create something that is *original* and screams *Gundam* out to you at the same time.
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2004-11-29, 21:15 | Link #13 |
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It is true that originally can begin to stagnate.
I mean, seriously, How many variations can you make on a single concept before ideas begin to blur together? However, The Strike Gundam IWSP is indeed a most blatent ripoff. http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/see...105+p202qx.htm |
2004-11-29, 21:26 | Link #14 | |
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2004-11-29, 22:43 | Link #17 |
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The Strike IWSP doesn't look very much like it at all.
But really, Freedom is a re-hash of the Double X - although a very good one, no complains from me. Look at the torso, legs and shoulders. Even the beam rifle is very similar. The satellite cannon wings and the satellite cannons were turned into Freedom's nifty wing binder and cannnon system. And it's decently hard to be "original" after 25 years but Freedom is the Double X, but there's nothing wrong there since both designs rock I can't see how people connect it to Wing Gundam or Wing Zero though... Is it because of the legs? If so, then F91 had legs similar to that design before. Dreadnought looks a wee bit like Wing Zero, but that's nothing bad either since Dreadnought looks bloody amazing, but not as amazing as the cutest lil' Gundam in all of CE - Hyperion |
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It may just be me but I see little to no difference between the vents of Freedom and Double X. I don't see the "sunk in, thrust out" difference that you're emphasizing. Freedom does lack the launchers, but it also has, in the exact same position, the chest vulcans. Freedom does have a slightly longer torso though, as evidenced by the longer blue segment and Freedom is also a good meter taller than the Double X. From where I'm looking the launchers have absolutely nothing to do with the lines of the lower torso. Heck, it should really look the exact same as Freedom's (longer) so that more ammunition could be stored My main point is that the differences that you point just aren't there from my point if view, so please explain how you see them. Quote:
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