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View Poll Results: Macross Delta - Episode 15 Rating
Perfect 10 2 8.33%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 7 29.17%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 3 12.50%
7 out of 10 : Good 5 20.83%
6 out of 10 : Average 5 20.83%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 0 0%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 1 4.17%
1 out of 10 : Painful 1 4.17%
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Old 2016-07-10, 18:45   Link #41
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*edit* Sheesh, nobody has even mentioned the OP so far. Which is... pretty bad. Lots of repeated scenes from before in the show and the song is not as catchy as I'd like.
The most hilarious are the poor attempts to put 'triangle' teasing scenes like this one. It's just as bad as Aquarion Evol second opening with reused footage.
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Old 2016-07-10, 19:01   Link #42
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Roid: We're going to wage war against everyone!
Most Windermere population: What? Why? Wasn't it over?
Roid: Quick! Bring the shota!
Heinz: Like he said...
Almost everyone: HEIL HEINZ SAMA THE CUTEST.
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Old 2016-07-10, 19:04   Link #43
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Roid: We're going to wage war against everyone!
Most Windermere population: What? Why? Wasn't it over?
Roid: Quick! Bring the shota!
Heinz: Like he said...
Almost everyone: HEIL HEINZ SAMA THE CUTEST.
He's obviously genre-savvy and knows that everything is accepted if you promote it with a cute singer.

That said I really feel bad for Heinz. If there's one of Windermere higher ups I really feel for, it's him. He really wants to make everyone happy (specially his brother), hates violence and he's surrounded by people who tug him around for their agenda: either revenge or Roid's... plans, or whatever Epsilon/Evil NUNS people are in for. A 9 years old should be playing carefree and enjoy his childhood, not forced to deal with this which is beyond his plate (all his scene left me a sensation of isolation, unhappiness and really deep loneliness too). I really hope Freyja and Mikumo could reach for him, or smack Keith to show open affection to his brother and man up to be king after he's straightened his act. I'm hoping for a Heinz+Mikumo wind song duet too. His voice is really lovely.
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Old 2016-07-10, 20:06   Link #49
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Are we talking now about Delta or about Frontier? Frontier has its own threads.

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Also, isn’t Walkure part of the PMC that is Chaos? From Bogue's POV, that makes them part of the active military personnel of the enemy (aka. not civilians), which makes them justifiably "killable" in this war. That’s just like how soldiers need to kill the enemy’s radio-operators and code-breakers in WWII if they continue to fight and not willing to give up. Why? Because even if they’re not directly shooting at you, their jobs and deeds will get the army on your side killed or f***ed up and that's why you have to stop them.
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Well, you could say that Walküre are like medics, because their job is to cure the Var Syndrome. Chaos are just their personal bodyguards. Actually they are non combatants, if we would apply the Geneva convention.

The fight is actually Windermere vs. NUN and Chaos is just inbetween.
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Also, isn’t Walkure part of the PMC that is Chaos? From Bogue's POV, that makes them part of the active military personnel of the enemy (aka. not civilians), which makes them justifiably "killable" in this war.
As far as I know, Walkure aren't civilians. They are all full-fledged members of a private military: their task is different from flying a VF and their function is more dangerous to those who depend on fold space navigation as Windermeres do.
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Walküre are sound force like Firebomber. There is a definition about how soundforces act. They are tactical units, but are seen as a non military unit.
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Macross 7 VF-22S bombing run.


Alleged NUNS VF-22 bombing run.
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Anybody else noticing the discrepancy of performance? Why drop when you can fire far away?
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Anybody else noticing the discrepancy of performance? Why drop when you can fire far away?
Bombing does not give any heat signature. Firing does.
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Well, you could say that Walküre are like medics, because their job is to cure the Var Syndrome. Chaos are just their personal bodyguards. Actually they are non combatants, if we would apply the Geneva convention.

The fight is actually Windermere vs. NUN and Chaos is just inbetween.
Non-combatants that can get your squad F-ed up. Their danger-level makes them more like enemy's radio-operators and code-breakers rather than mere medics from Winder’s POV.

Chaos is a hired gun. They are hired by someone and has obviously chose Winders as their enemy and are clearly opposing them. That makes Chaos the enemy of Winders (for the time being). It can’t get more obvious than that. Even Bogue understands .
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Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Hayate try to kill Keith.... He did shoot at his cockpit.
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The two main triangles. I laugh a lot about the composition because it implies Hayate and Mirage are disputing Freyja.
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Credit to the show for making a decent attempt to make the Windermere people sympathetic....not sure it really worked but worth a shot.

Bogue is still an idiot and when he gets shot down the show will be better off. Might as well get a taste of his own medicine and fulfill his obsession with drowning in blood.

Credit that some of the Knights were like "ummm wait a second here." I suppose it shows that they think making a small empire run through mind control is better than trying to conquer the entire galaxy with mind control. You know....at least they draw the line somewhere. I'm not sure Roid is really departing that far from the natural path they were on. On the positive side it avoids there being a cease-fire which would have made it a lot harder for the main characters to actually save the planets. In the end having people react in surprise to this expansion of war doesn't really work. They were still committing horrific acts. That they thought their acts would only affect millions, not billions hardly makes them less vile.

More evidence that the bomb was dropped by the NUNs although....considering who is releasing the footage the trust factor is questionable. Wouldn't be that hard to just steal that plane and drop the bomb. Could easily still have been done by a third party.
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