(L+CR) Dungeon ni Deai wo Motomeru no wa Machigatteiru Darou ka

[demonicslayer]

Originally Posted by Iron Maw

Eh... I thought Bell's armor was supposed to have to be broken, but looks the anime just cut corners and had disappear all together.

Anyway, it was great episode!



Eh, don't really agree with this all. Fighting to protect others or fighting for yourself aren't inherently more interesting than one another. It depends on the story's context and execution. People who only fight for the sake of it can easily become shallow static characters because there is all there is to them. The moviation surrounds those concepts are can be as complex as the author wants.

Besides Bell is nowhere near close to being a broken character, he's a naive big dreamer who just happens to have talent to achieve those dreams. Nothing more nothing less. This fight while great to watch didn't provide much in the way of personal growth for him because the enemy was only ever a minor traumatic event that he would gotten over naturally with time (as even pointed out by Ottar) which leaves the Minotaur as just another "boss" like any other. one he's faced. The reason he takes this stuff so extreme is due his infatuation with Aiz and because he's still just kid. It's no wonder people keep worrying about him.

I think there is only few motives as to why a person keep fighting... It can be money, revenge, pride, dream, protecting someone and maybe a few more reasons. The reasons are too obvious to everyone but how a story moves is just like how it is in Real life. The way the person chose and how the environment he interact will make either the story interesting or dull.

Well, for Bell's character development. I think it happened in minimal ways but still in some ways it might hinder Bell. Just like a real trauma or phobia... no matter how small it is can hinder someone from facing the challenges. Bell might move on but he might still face the trauma with a doubt and it might lingers in him. or He will always face that challenge with helps and wouldnt be able to stand on his own feet. A bad example would be as if someone hating cockroach, the person might face it with help from bug repellant but will never be as effective as when he puts his hand on the roach and kill it. Once you are able to catch with your own bare hand and not letting it go, you will move on with that set of capability to face the next roach.

[Enternal]

Originally Posted by demonicslayer

Well, for Bell's character development. I think it happened in minimal ways but still in some ways it might hinder Bell. Just like a real trauma or phobia... no matter how small it is can hinder someone from facing the challenges. Bell might move on but he might still face the trauma with a doubt and it might lingers in him. or He will always face that challenge with helps and wouldnt be able to stand on his own feet. A bad example would be as if someone hating cockroach, the person might face it with help from bug repellant but will never be as effective as when he puts his hand on the roach and kill it. Once you are able to catch with your own bare hand and not letting it go, you will move on with that set of capability to face the next roach.

Yeah I totally agree with this. A lot of things can be said to be resolved if given enough time. You can sit there and hope that the problem will resolve with time or you can actually act on it and try to solve it right away so that you can actually go on with life. The fact that Bell decides to face it off right there and then shows that he's crazy yet very determined about no longer wanted to be held back. That's precisely why he became so strong so quickly. I don't think you can simply just toss away his achievements by saying "Meh with time he would be able to do it" because it would not be fair.

[thundrakkon]

Originally Posted by ImperialFlameGod8190

A clear case of mutual romantic affection between at least 1 set of characters.


In almost all good harems there's a clear #1 couple thats unconfirmed. Then guys or girls gather around the main male or female and thus the harem antics are clear.

Because Tenchi has a clear cut.... uh, wait... nope. Tenchi still has no clearcut #1, and he's like the father of harem genre. Harems are harems because a bunch of girls like the guy. You just need 3 girls minimum to like him. Hestia, Freya, Syr, Glasses girl, and Lili obviously shows affections towards him. Aiz is possible. I can't believe I'm still discussing this.

As for episode, it looks to me that he was channeling magic through his weapon. I thought I heard about that ability when he was talking to Hestia about magic. Which reminds me. Bell could really use a healer in his group, considering how much he hurts himself.

[Random Wanderer]

I just realized when rewatching the battle why Bete's voice sounds so familiar and so irritating to me. That's Accelerator. Perfect choice of voice actor for that kind of character, I have to say.

[James Rye]

Didn't that HUGE HORN pirced through his arm? How was he able to handle a weapon with that arm and then such a huge sword bigger than himself to boot? o.O

Jayus, Bell is such a cheater, S rank in all abilities. XDDD

How come that nobody finds it weird that a level 1 guy made it to S rank in less than a month while the rest, even Aiz Wallenstein herself, needed several months to climb up ranks and still aren't S rank in all of their abilities even then? Shouldn't anybody consider that someone "messed" with Bell's growth? That it is unnatural?

I mean, I'm happy for Bell. Just means, he can become a hero even faster than he expected to. But if he ever finds out that most of his status, his skill and his magic was "given" to him and not something "earned" then I doubt he would be happy or content much about it. I think he would feel like all of his adventures had been fake till now, not real, because his real abilities, skill and possible magic never got find out by himself as all he got now was given to him by a yandere goddess who enjoys seeing cute shota's covered in blood. :/

[Enternal]

Originally Posted by James Rye

How come that nobody finds it weird that a level 1 guy made it to S rank in less than a month while the rest, even Aiz Wallenstein herself, needed several months to climb up ranks and still aren't S rank in all of their abilities even then? Shouldn't anybody consider that someone "messed" with Bell's growth? That it is unnatural?

I mean, I'm happy for Bell. Just means, he can become a hero even faster than he expected to. But if he ever finds out that most of his status, his skill and his magic was "given" to him and not something "earned" then I doubt he would be happy or content much about it. I think he would feel like all of his adventures had been fake till now, not real, because his real abilities, skill and possible magic never got find out by himself as all he got now was given to him by a yandere goddess who enjoys seeing cute shota's covered in blood. :/

Whether he was given or not "earned" those points, Bell is still pretty great. Considering he does not even knew about them (Hestia is hiding the fact), he still was crazily determined to push him that far makes him pretty amazing I would say. About him not "earning" though, you might want to try taking a look at the 1st volume of the light novel. I remembered it saying something about determination also has an impact on how the stats may grow. But yes, his magic is definitely given so nothing to say there.

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by James Rye

Didn't that HUGE HORN pirced through his arm? How was he able to handle a weapon with that arm and then such a huge sword bigger than himself to boot? o.O

Jayus, Bell is such a cheater, S rank in all abilities. XDDD

How come that nobody finds it weird that a level 1 guy made it to S rank in less than a month while the rest, even Aiz Wallenstein herself, needed several months to climb up ranks and still aren't S rank in all of their abilities even then? Shouldn't anybody consider that someone "messed" with Bell's growth? That it is unnatural?

I mean, I'm happy for Bell. Just means, he can become a hero even faster than he expected to. But if he ever finds out that most of his status, his skill and his magic was "given" to him and not something "earned" then I doubt he would be happy or content much about it. I think he would feel like all of his adventures had been fake till now, not real, because his real abilities, skill and possible magic never got find out by himself as all he got now was given to him by a yandere goddess who enjoys seeing cute shota's covered in blood. :/

Nothing was "given" to him. Freya simply set up the situations, she didn't give him the stats. The closest is the book she arranged for him to get, but his spell is, frankly, not all that powerful a spell: it's just fast, like him. His stats increased faster thanks to that skill he got at the beginning of episode 1, but that skill is his: there is no sign Freya had anything to do with it.

[SamCurt]

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

His stats increased faster thanks to that skill he got at the beginning of episode 1, but that skill is his: there is no sign Freya had anything to do with it.

Every skill is his, as in this universe a person gets his skills based on what he thinks. Realis Pharse is based on his crush towards Aiz. Freya's book does cause him to learn some magic, but not Firebolt exactly. He learnt Firebolt because he thought about it when he read the book.

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by SamCurt

Every skill is his, as in this universe a person gets his skills based on what he thinks. Realis Pharse is based on his crush towards Aiz. Freya's book does cause him to learn some magic, but not Firebolt exactly. He learnt Firebolt because he thought about it when he read the book.

What I meant was, while Freya may have been involved in him getting magic, she had nothing to do with his stats boosts.

[FlareKnight]

Originally Posted by James Rye

Didn't that HUGE HORN pirced through his arm? How was he able to handle a weapon with that arm and then such a huge sword bigger than himself to boot? o.O

Jayus, Bell is such a cheater, S rank in all abilities. XDDD

How come that nobody finds it weird that a level 1 guy made it to S rank in less than a month while the rest, even Aiz Wallenstein herself, needed several months to climb up ranks and still aren't S rank in all of their abilities even then? Shouldn't anybody consider that someone "messed" with Bell's growth? That it is unnatural?

I mean, I'm happy for Bell. Just means, he can become a hero even faster than he expected to. But if he ever finds out that most of his status, his skill and his magic was "given" to him and not something "earned" then I doubt he would be happy or content much about it. I think he would feel like all of his adventures had been fake till now, not real, because his real abilities, skill and possible magic never got find out by himself as all he got now was given to him by a yandere goddess who enjoys seeing cute shota's covered in blood. :/

Yeah, who knows on that front. The horn should have either ruined his muscles so he couldn't use that arm or busted the bones in his arm, or both. If they wanted to make the drama of a horn going through his arm they just should have left it unusable. You can't actually power through that kind of thing.

I'd agree Bell isn't going to feel satisfied when he finds out about his ability. Mostly since he's already unsatisfied with his current ability and growth. Despite the fact that he's growing faster than anyone else on the planet and is already insanely stronger than when the show started. All that and he's still not happy with it. So yeah he'd definitely drop down when finding out about that ability. It's his ability so it shouldn't be considered something given to him, but he'd probably treat it that way anyways.

[kagato3]

Originally Posted by larethian

Where are we now in the novels? Have only read v1. But honestly, with the latest volumes of 2 of my current top 3 series still unread, I find it hard to commit time to more titles. You know that I have not even read the latest volume of Oreshura (though it's not among my top 3 but way overdue still)? Might want to glance through Danmachi to see what can catch my attention though.

end of volume 3

[jhpace1]

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

Nothing was "given" to him. Freya simply set up the situations, she didn't give him the stats. The closest is the book she arranged for him to get, but his spell is, frankly, not all that powerful a spell: it's just fast, like him. His stats increased faster thanks to that skill he got at the beginning of episode 1, but that skill is his: there is no sign Freya had anything to do with it.

This is more like a special "double-cost, starting Level 1 player only" feat, not a skill in D&D / Pathfinder. They do exist, somewhat like the Endurance/Diehard combo, which lets you keep moving at 0 hit points like Jean Claude Van Damme in his action movies. This is more like:

Fast Experience (Combat)
You gain experience faster than anyone else, gaining maturity, abilities, skills, and feats quickly.
Prerequisites: Con 15
Benefit: Your experience track is one level faster than the rest of the party, or the recommended advancement path. Thus "Slow" becomes "Medium", "Medium" becomes "Fast", and "Fast" is divided by 2 for required experience points per level.
Normal: You gain experience points at the level determined by the Adventure Path or Games Master, at the same rate as everyone else in the adventure.
Special: This feat can only be taken at 1st Level. This feat counts as two feats.

So Bell goes from a Fighter1 to a Fighter5/Sorcerer1 (equivalent 6th Level) by the end of episode 7. Bell also appears to have Two-Weapon Fighting, Armor Training, bravery +1, Weapon Focus (Dagger), and Weapon Specialization (Dagger). In one month, when everyone else still sees him as Level 1.

A Minotaur is a Level 4 creature in D&D / Pathfinder, by the way, so that beast had some levels behind it. As a result of that other man's training.

[GDB]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

Yeah, who knows on that front. The horn should have either ruined his muscles so he couldn't use that arm or busted the bones in his arm, or both. If they wanted to make the drama of a horn going through his arm they just should have left it unusable. You can't actually power through that kind of thing.

After watching it a second time, it's hard to tell how deep the horn actually goes. It might just go into the arm and press into the muscle and bone without actually piercing them. In which case, it'd cause massive pain, but once adrenaline kicked in he'd be able to push through it.

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by jhpace1

This is more like a special "double-cost, starting Level 1 player only" feat, not a skill in D&D / Pathfinder. They do exist, somewhat like the Endurance/Diehard combo, which lets you keep moving at 0 hit points like Jean Claude Van Damme in his action movies. This is more like:

Fast Experience (Combat)
You gain experience faster than anyone else, gaining maturity, abilities, skills, and feats quickly.
Prerequisites: Con 15
Benefit: Your experience track is one level faster than the rest of the party, or the recommended advancement path. Thus "Slow" becomes "Medium", "Medium" becomes "Fast", and "Fast" is divided by 2 for required experience points per level.
Normal: You gain experience points at the level determined by the Adventure Path or Games Master, at the same rate as everyone else in the adventure.
Special: This feat can only be taken at 1st Level. This feat counts as two feats.

So Bell goes from a Fighter1 to a Fighter5/Sorcerer1 (equivalent 6th Level) by the end of episode 7. Bell also appears to have Two-Weapon Fighting, Armor Training, bravery +1, Weapon Focus (Dagger), and Weapon Specialization (Dagger). In one month, when everyone else still sees him as Level 1.

A Minotaur is a Level 4 creature in D&D / Pathfinder, by the way, so that beast had some levels behind it. As a result of that other man's training.

I am aware of the difference between skills and feats in D&D. But this series called it a skill, so I did the same. Given that this series has stats and such improve through use rather than merely at leveling up, I'm not sure making a direct comparison between characters' and monsters' abilities in this series and in D&D is possible.

[GDiddy]

Great episode. Glad to see Bell overcome his demons somewhat...SUCK ON THAT DOGEARED GUY FROM EPISODE ONE OR TWO WHO DISSED HIM

....did Freya seriously have an orgasm over this?

[Iron Maw]

Originally Posted by GDB

After watching it a second time, it's hard to tell how deep the horn actually goes. It might just go into the arm and press into the muscle and bone without actually piercing them. In which case, it'd cause massive pain, but once adrenaline kicked in he'd be able to push through it.

That's what I assume what happened too. Bell probably wasn't thinking much about anything else other being beating Minotaur at all cost at that moment. It's rare to see such a raw and desperate fight done and portrayed so well. Kudos to the animation staff for nailing that aspect.

Originally Posted by GDiddy

....did Freya seriously have an orgasm over this?

I think she did or at least I wouldn't put it passed her.

[Requiem-x]

Originally Posted by GDiddy

....did Freya seriously have an orgasm over this?

That was literally the plan all along

[HandofFate]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

Yeah, who knows on that front. The horn should have either ruined his muscles so he couldn't use that arm or busted the bones in his arm, or both. If they wanted to make the drama of a horn going through his arm they just should have left it unusable. You can't actually power through that kind of thing.
.

Didn't really notice how deep the horn went in.
But I just attributed to "well he does have S in Str and Vit.

They're still human, but they're blessed humans so compared to regular folks, they're just as strong as superheroes in certain physical attributes.

[Galaxian]

Originally Posted by GDiddy

....did Freya seriously have an orgasm over this?

Given some of the comments I've seen online, so did most of the fandom.

[velocd]

Great fight. Excellent pacing and animation. The fights are certainly the highlight of this series for me, I just wish the anime explained the setting. Some background of the world and city they exist in, why is there a giant tower, why are they climbing it, why are there levels/stats, etc. Maybe it's explained in the novels but the anime should touch on it at least a little for non-readers.

Then again, given the title of the anime perhaps there is no background to anything.