2003-12-05, 04:03 | Link #41 |
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Alcohol is Awesome! actually there are many things better than alcohol.. Yeah sure they might be illegal.. but so was alcohol at one time.. The key to any mind altering drug.. (yes alcohol is a drug) is moderation which was said.. Get totally messed outta your mind, but dont let it affect your life (grades, job, family) and you are ok.. and i think that works with anything..
Cigarettes are horrid... They are by far more addictive than alcohol.. in fact they say breaking the smoking habit is harder than kicking a heroin addiction.. and yes i smoke.. so i would know ^_^ Drugs arent about rebelling, although they may be for some pepole.. They are about feeling GREAT!! If you have never gotten drunk or been on a substance then perhaps you wouldnt know.. it would be somewhat of analogous with a child that experienced chocolate for the first time.. The thing that bugs me more than anything is people that sit there and put down others that get drunk/high when they have never touched anything and have no clue what they are missing.. Its like a virgin giving sex advice.. it doesnt work.. In the end it's all a choice of what you wish to do with your life.. Some people chose not to do anything to alter their mind (and yes anime is an awesome drug!) and that is fine.. seriously.. good for you.. me .. I'll try anything once.. (almost and within reason here) ^_^ |
2003-12-05, 05:38 | Link #42 |
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i dont know where u guys get the idea that smoking is more addictive than alcohol.
chronic alcoholism is associated with something called withdrawal syndrom the same concept as the one with drugs but different symtoms and mechanisms and needs medical treatment while the only thing u get with smoking is psychological craving (less than that of alcohol) and a headache and mood alteration (i smoke too)
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2003-12-05, 06:29 | Link #43 | |
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Alcoholism is disease and is result of years and years of non-stop alcohol abuse. This should not be mixed up with random controlled use of alcohol, that has very minimal long term health effects. Use like this doesn't cause any sort of addiction, if you don't count the social one (you're friends drink, you drink). |
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2003-12-05, 06:54 | Link #44 |
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could u elaborate more on the "random controled use of alcohol"
coz last time i checked the only person who is in control of that is only ur self, which means that ur the only person who is in control of how much u drink which is different with each individual, also its different with the psychological state of the individual himself, all of this means while u think that drinking a cup a day is alright some one might find it better to drink a bottle a day and so on. so when u say "random controled use" for a couple of years then u might one day be faced with some psychological or social problem this "random controlled use" might turn into chronic alcoholism since that its much easier to get addicted to alcohol than its for nicotine coz its alter ur mind and releave u from ur conciesness
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2003-12-05, 08:35 | Link #45 | ||
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And as for control. Of course it is youself who is in control of what you do.. you must yourself figure out what's a proper amount of alcohol you should (or should not) use, to stay in reasonable amounts.. nobody is coming to tell you this. If you can't figure this out, you are much more vulnerable for addiction. Quote:
Then again, nicotin is much faster to cause physical addiction. You don't need to smoke but an couple weeks, and you start to notice how hard it is to quit anymore. You get same withdrawal symptoms as with much more dangerous drugs. |
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2003-12-05, 08:49 | Link #46 |
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well u could also smoke a couple of times per month on occasion and dont get addicted to smoking
u could also drink a bottle a day or more for a couple of weeks and get addicted to it as fast as nicotine and what is the nicotine withdrawal symptom could u provide me a link plz coz i know nothing about it and never heard about it as a disease unlike alcoholic withdrawal syndrom which is much more common
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2003-12-05, 09:11 | Link #47 | |
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http://www.nida.nih.gov/ResearchRepo...ine3.html#long http://www.rcplondon.ac.uk/pubs/book...-addiction.htm http://www.athealth.com/Practitioner...PN_3_39.html#2 http://www.drugabuse.gov/researchrep...html#addictive (from first link) "An important but poorly understood component of the nicotine withdrawal syndrome is craving, an urge for nicotine that has been described as a major obstacle to successful abstinence. High levels of craving for tobacco may persist for 6 months or longer. While the withdrawal syndrome is related to the pharmacological effects of nicotine, many behavioral factors also can affect the severity of withdrawal symptoms. For some people, the feel, smell, and sight of a cigarette and the ritual of obtaining, handling, lighting, and smoking the cigarette are all associated with the pleasurable effects of smoking and can make withdrawal or craving worse. While nicotine gum and patches may alleviate the pharmacological aspects of withdrawal, cravings often persist." EDIT: Of course you don't get addicted to cigarettes either if you use them very randomly. Premise of addiction is constant use of drug. Last edited by Laguna; 2003-12-05 at 09:24. |
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2003-12-05, 09:33 | Link #48 |
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well i never said that nicotine doesnt have an adictive component i mentioned the symptoms in my previos post except for the pharmacological which is correct but how about this:
i am qouting from clinical pharmacology 8th ed by D.R. LAWRENCE, P.N., BENNET and M.J Brown churchill livingstone, london page 156 TYPES OF DRUG DEPENDENCE the world health organization recomends that drug dependence be specified by "type" when under detailed discussion: [i skipped to the part related to our discussion] alcohol-type -psychological dependance severe -physical dependance with prolonged heavy use -cross tolerance with other sedative tobacco type -psychological dependance strong -physical dependance slight also if u want i could outline the differences in severity between alcohol withdrawal and cigarette withdrawal
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2003-12-05, 09:53 | Link #49 |
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Ok some numbers then.
I would say probably 95 % of all smokers are addicted to nicotine. How many drinkers are addicted to alcohol? Not more than 15 %. Which drug is more addictive would you say? We are not talkin about how bad things get once you're addicted. Were talking about how easy it is to get there. |
2003-12-05, 10:01 | Link #50 | |
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Also, I don't agree that nicotins physical withdrawal symptoms were "slight" .. that's just ridiculous. I have not seen anyone trying to quit smoking that said that symptoms were "slight". Then again, I haven't even seen anyone normal (not alcoholic) alcohol user even trying to stop using alcohol. I argue that it is easier to create addiction to nicotin than alcohol. I don't know any smoker that smokes "couple times in week", but I know many alcohol users that takes alcohol sometimes, and have no problem with this. |
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2003-12-05, 10:06 | Link #51 | ||
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but a very good reason for that is the high mortalty rates due to car accident due to driving while ur drunk i know that its irrelevant to the discussion how easy is it to get addicted but i believe that its an important factor in the number u mentioned edit: Quote:
[QOUTE]I argue that it is easier to create addiction to nicotin than alcohol. I don't know any smoker that smokes "couple times in week", but I know many alcohol users that takes alcohol sometimes, and have no problem with this.[/QOUTE] a good reason for that is that smoking doesnt interfere with daily and personal life as much as alcohol u cant go to work while ur drunk u cant study while ur drunk the same thing goes for hangover i just want to clear one thing SMOKING IS JUST AS BAD AS DRINKING FOR UR HEALTH dont smoke and try to stay as far as possible with someone who is smoking (take ur distance) i am not promoting smoking i am just saying that alcohol is worst than it smoking =cancer so is drinking
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2003-12-05, 11:39 | Link #54 |
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drinkin is fun, i dont drink all the time, hell its been 2 weeks since i last drank, could be 2 more weeks or 2 days or 2 months. i can drink socially, which means i drink for a buzz or i can go out and get totally hammered. ive never had a hangover yet and i been drinkin since i was 18 and now im 24.
i do smoke, and smokign is addictive, way more then alcohol will ever be. i know i smoke sometimes just because im bored, im not craving it but i do it to pass the time. ive tried quitting twice, i lasted 3 to 4 days both times. if i dont have a smoke within every 3 hours i feel like tense and irritable. if your an alcoholic which you say is more addicting, its not addiction that makes alcoholics, it the fact that they are trying to hide from a problem, and to them if they keep drinking they wont have to face that problem. smoking = addiction alcoholism = problems |
2003-12-06, 10:44 | Link #57 |
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w00t, I'm 16, must be the youngest person who can drink alchohol legal in this topic
anyway: I don't really drink alchohol, yes at parties I do drink some, but I just don't like the "man-I'm-like-totally-wasted"-feel, I've been like that once... and boy... it sucked (had to work at 6AM the next day ) as for nicotine, I smoke for 2 years now, but I don't really have the intention to give it up it the near future (stupid me ) as for weed: only very very rarely, it is legal here... but I don't really like it. everything else: don't touch that sh*t man! Last edited by Stofzuiger; 2003-12-06 at 17:54. |
2003-12-06, 14:57 | Link #58 | |
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altho i don't like drinking, waste of time making it, everyone could drink ANY OTHER type of drink and it would be just as good, i just don't understand the point behind something that can be so destructive... |
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2003-12-06, 15:34 | Link #59 |
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hmm... i'm over the legal limit for alcohol use, and yet i don't drink much.. let's say.. 1-2 cans to none in a year..
cigs... said it already in some other thread that i've smoke since in 2nd grader..so, pretty much my taste buds are gone..if anything's wierd.. it'd be my feeling much healthier when i smoke..hey, i smoke and i still run 5 miles everyday, while smoking. I just keep up on the vitamin C and milk intake. |
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