2010-03-24, 17:34 | Link #1861 |
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I realized a "strange" detail in episode 4, and actually it is also shown in the anime. As you are discussing some "episode 4"-related, things here, I will post it here (sorry! and also sorry if it is written elsewhere)
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2010-03-24, 20:03 | Link #1864 |
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Hm...this is just speculation, but Kumasawa probably knows more about the keys than Gohda does. Maybe he showed it to her as a way of asking "is this really the shed key?" and if she said something against it then he could call George out on it.
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2010-03-24, 20:21 | Link #1865 | ||
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The way Battler was able to break the lock with a tool and open the shed leads me to believe that it was a padlock on the shed. This makes the shed mystery easy to solve since it can be locked from the outside without a key. Quote:
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2010-03-24, 21:44 | Link #1866 | |
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2010-03-24, 22:25 | Link #1867 | |
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2010-03-24, 22:38 | Link #1868 | |
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EDIT: Does anybody remember if Dress Beato appeared on the board at all before Battler failed his test? |
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2010-03-24, 22:59 | Link #1870 |
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Weren't Jessi and George found in different place?
Unless someone moved Jessi's body, they couldn't kill each other. If someone did anyway, Battler would find trail of blood, right? Her head was smashed. @LyricalAura : nope... except for meta scenes... I don't think Battler, or anyone ever saw DressBeato. The one that tested Battler was PieceBeato, and she wore suit. Battler said he didn't remember, PieceBeato got disappointed, and she switch over with DressBeato. I think... |
2010-03-27, 06:06 | Link #1871 |
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Koi, you're forgetting it was raining. Any blood spilt would've washed away in the rain, and it's easy to prepare a tarp or a way to transport the corpse through the mansion that would avoid spilling blood.
On the order of deaths, considering it's safe to assume the constant that the original six "victims" of the first twilight initially don't die, then isn't it likely that everyone in the mansion, including them, were drugged while waiting for Kinzo to appear, and imprisoned with the other people? Then the culprit either convinced Kumasawa and Gohda to lie or forced them too, making Battler believe they were dead from the beginning. Then Battler gets agitated faster than they expected, and Beato is forced to stall for time while they prepare the corpses scattered throughout the mansion and it's grounds, so she makes him go on a wild goose chase to the chapel and back. |
2010-03-27, 06:19 | Link #1872 |
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As far as I can remember: not at all before this point. It was only board Beato, and Dress Beato took her place when the former got utterly upset after Battler's failed test.
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2010-03-27, 18:21 | Link #1873 |
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I think Dress Beato hijacks her piece self like Battler does in Episode 6. Because she was only a piece, she probably was getting very emotional over Battler forgetting his sin, and was coming close to giving a hint to him that would cause some problem, be it with Lambda's rules or a logic error (I'm just throwing possible examples). I found Dress Beato's calm composure, yet also accusing Battler, in the meta-world strange. After the large fuss Suit Beato made over Battler's sin, I expected her to be a little angrier. So the sudden cold-shift felt put-on to me.
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2010-04-02, 16:32 | Link #1874 | |
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2010-04-02, 17:33 | Link #1875 | |
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2010-04-06, 09:00 | Link #1876 | |
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I can't completely agree with that though, Lyrical. I came to the conclusion that Beato challenged Battler to her game so that he could find the single mastermind culprit, and gain the determination to save the family, and knowing Ryuukishi, the culprit as well. I believe that while there may be a different cast of culprits for each episode, there is a single mastermind who doesn't change for all episodes. But you're right, for some reason she couldn't just appear infront of him and tell him "X is the culprit." She had to drag him through hell and back with her game so that he could find the out for himself. My solution for this involves my belief that Beato is Shannon, and that George is the mastermind. Even though Shannon has loved Battler for several years, it's only natural that she would begin to accept George's flirting, if he was persistent, and it seemed like Battler was never to return. So she loves both Battler, the hero who will save the family, and George, the culprit who will kill them all. Even though she knows it's right, she can't bring herself to pass judgement on George. But she's not sure if Battler is the person she fell in love with six years ago, so she tests him with her game. Episode 4's scene with Beato retiring was her giving up, no longer confident that Battler had the capabilities to save the family from the murders. And yes, the rules of the game allows for multiple truths to co-exist. Like how Erika solved Episode 5 completely with her "Natsuhi is the culprit" story. We know now, because of information revealed at a later time that she was incorrect, but at the time she made her theory, it worked enough to kill the Illusion of the Witch. So I say this: With certain levels of knowledge, multiple truths are allowed to exist. But with all the knowledge of the games available, there is only one truth that can exist. I really like your electron spin analogy though. @Smeckledorf: I'm thinking along the same lines. Because of his anger towards Rudolf he left the family, and in his hot-headedness, completely forgot his promise towards Beato(At that time, completely Shannon though). I can't quite connect the dots to why this causes people to die yet though. |
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2010-04-13, 08:58 | Link #1877 |
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Nothing to really contribute here. Was planning to finish Ep6 after classes and a well-needed vacation and finish posting my notes here but dammit everything after the first logic error is too complex for my meager Japanese.
Looks like I'll be waiting for the Ep6 translation to finish. Hopefully Ep7 won't be that hard to read and I can play it when it comes out. |
2010-04-15, 05:38 | Link #1878 | |
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As for Battler getting into the shed in Episode 4, I took it as: - He hit the door with the axe a few times to make a hole in the door big enough for the wire cutters. - He then used the wire cutters to make a hole in the door big enough to walk through. My question about the shed in Episode 4 is: When / why did Gohda / Kumasawa get the key in the first place? In Episode 1, Kanon is the last person to use the shed; Gohda gets excused from non-cooking duties during a conference; Kumasawa probably isn't strong enough to do the lifting required and wouldn't normally use the key; there's no reason for either of them to have been carrying the key before the first twilight. They're described as running straight from the first twilight to the guesthouse; they wouldn't have picked up the key along the way. There's no mention of going into the mansion to pick up the key, and there's no mention of the key already left outside the shed. To me, that suggests that the whole first twilight was fake; Gohda and Kumasawa were in on it.
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2010-04-15, 07:59 | Link #1880 | |
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