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Perfect 10 | 33 | 26.61% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 21 | 16.94% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 16 | 12.90% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 24 | 19.35% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 10 | 8.06% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 6 | 4.84% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 0.81% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 2 | 1.61% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 3 | 2.42% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 8 | 6.45% | |
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2012-02-22, 13:29 | Link #481 | |
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Because she was all over Shu before LC, like it or not it wasn't crystals. Crystals only made her go berserk after Shu pushed her away. As for Gai he was a toy for Mana nothing more nothing less.
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2012-02-22, 13:40 | Link #482 |
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so your saying mana was a incest freak to begin with? when mana ask shu if he get lonely if she get marry. the crystal was already infected her. i dont think she an incest freak, i think crystal infected her mind. and i dont think she loved gai either. she just a caring portected sister.
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2012-02-22, 13:44 | Link #483 | |
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Now the point is was Shu and Mana blood related. Considering how Haruka treat Shu like shit, and Mana advances on Shu, you can be 50-50 sure that they have no relation whatsoever, besides living together. And just because you call her freak, doesn't change the fact how she felt, unless it will be proven otherwise she was in love with Shu. Also don't even bring the Crystal mind rape infection, because Mana was a special case, she was controling crystals, not crystals controling her. And most of the infected people were still *themselves* untill the breaking point. You don't see Souta and F ranks going crazy murder shit, they still behave like normal people. And they were infected.
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2012-02-22, 13:44 | Link #484 |
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Trudinh@ That if you think they really are Sister and brother(blood related) .But I don't think so. Then again ...it seem to me she was alway into shu .
Xaturas say this better than me..I agree with you here. Last edited by Soji; 2012-02-22 at 13:55. |
2012-02-22, 14:01 | Link #488 |
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oh i though there a manga or light novel that tell the event happen during lost christmas
well unless there is proof that mana wasnt blood relative to shu, then i still think mana wasnt really inlove with shu. shu mother isnt that close to shu, and haruka dosnt treat him like sht? beside the fact that she control the ghost unit and was there when gai was revive. i think she has her reason Last edited by Daniel E.; 2012-02-23 at 22:37. |
2012-02-22, 16:13 | Link #490 | |
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Forgive me but unless she is Gendo from NGE then I don't know how she can so easily do to her son what she does. And all her concerns are that "he will not forgive me for what I do" Jesus Christ woman how can you yourself even do something like that. True mother would rather shoot herself in the head than do the shit she does to her supposed *child*. If it wasn't for Shu's luck and plot armor, Haruka's working would already kill him a dozen times. Its not like Ghost Units are shooting blanks at him.
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So you're saying on top of being a terrible leader Shu is also a hypocrite who is okay with harshly enforcing the rules, that he made/agreed to, if his followers are involved but when Inori is involved it's totally okay? Also Shu shunned all the people who tried to help him to put on this tyrant facade it's his own fault it turned out like that Quote:
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Please, he was just venting out his frustration over Hare's lost. That scene proves that he had gone off the deep end and it wasn't about being an ass for the greater good |
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What he did was absolutely necessary, there literally was no other way he could ensure the majorities survival. If he kept putting up the nice guy act, the rest of the school would've split up, everyone would follow whoever they thought could save them. Everyone would part ways fight against each other, and in the end they'd all lay dead. Quote:
He also didn't know why Hare and the girl died until recently. Yahiro was using Shu to fill his own agenda, and it would've kept going unless that girl died in front of him. He still realizes that using the voids is necessary to they're survival, although Yahiro was lying and covering everything up. This time it's worse because everyone's death due to a broken void was framed on Shu, even though it's Yahiro's fault. Not only that but instead of clearing everything up, he joins Arisa's rebellion instead. Quote:
Hare was the turning point. Whether he did this out of rage or depression isn't the question. But rather, did it work? did they cross through? Did the majority survive? Answer is they did, whether he handled the situation wrong, doesn't matter, he led them across while doing most of the effort himself. That's all that matters, he fulfilled his temporary role while being betrayed by the entire school over a misunderstanding. Now everyone hates him because of Yahiro. |
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You are basing your arguments on black and white facts when Guilty Crown is anything but a black and white story. The undertones of right and wrong and skewed on purpose you are only taking exactly what you see instead of trying to look deeper. You stated Shu was a crappy leader ok fine even i agree that Shu is not leader by nature but who made him the leader? The student body and Yahiro forced the role on him and even though he did not want to do it he did it anyway. Shu adopted the policy that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few and despite all the crap that happen afterward his "WORKED" it was proven it worked because majority of the students escaped. History judges leaders later for their actions. Should a leader show weakness in public no a leader should be confident in the public eye at all times. But behind closed doors a leader needs someone to talk to, to ease their mind not to confirm if they are making the right or wrong decisions but just simply to be there. Presidents usually have their wives or a close ally (like Inori). I have spoken about this on several forums and no one has been able to give a good answer as to what they would have done differently in Shu's situation. Its easy to judge when you dont have to call the shots when you are not responsible for lives. Guilty Crown shows that sometimes you have to be the bad guy for accomplish something good for all. You catch more flies with honey try not being so aggressive with forum members while trying to prove your point. I myself hardly care but how you have reacted to several members post can be deemed rude.
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And how did Arisa's plan come about? Well? Arisa had already shown that she was unhappy with that her position was taken away. However, the student body was ready to hang her out to dry because they felt she was not taken action, Yes she was afraid of what Inori did to her and she had every right too be. However, as stated by a previous member Inori basically had no clue what had happen the look of shock on her face said it all. It was obviously Mana that has reasserted herself in Inori's personality. However, Arisa and the student body lamented the actions taken by Shu but still used his method to escape in the end and went along with the plan. Like i said you dont start a revolution after using the same methods you were revolting against to achieve your goals. Some viewers feel Arisa was justified in her actions and maybe she was. But it does change the fact that her actions has actually created a larger problem on world scale. Quote:
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Again the show does not say Shu is wrong it is up to the viewer to decide if they think Shus actions are right or wrong. In my opinion there are too factors to consider right and wrong in this situation there was only survival. Shu monolog states he feels his sins will come back to claim him and Inori states the same. Shu thinks what he is doing is wrong but it is justified because he wants to save everyone and he is willing to bare all the pain all the hate if he can accomplish this goal. View or morality of what is right and what is wrong is different from person to person you and Shu view his actions as wrong. I view his actions as necessary evil for the greater good not right and not wrong its beyond that simplified explanation. Because it should he was off his rocker and that was the scene that was being implanted on, you were the one that brought up all this "protecting" crap Your entire argument falls apart because during those scenes of protecting people and those scenes where he grew strength Shu wasn't a tyrant, there was obviously something wrong with him mentality in comparison to everything else before. And what makes you think that people can complete change their mindset 5 minutes after someone they cared about died pointless? You're the only person missing something because the show never not even once made Shu seem sympathetic during those scenes Quote:
In any case iv said what i had to say and it is futile to keep arguing over difference of opinion with no end in sight and i dont like character attacks being thrown at me over some as trivial as an anime. So i will agree to disagree and leave it at that
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