2012-09-14, 12:34 | Link #1 | |
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Keshe foundation? New revolutionary technology that could change the world? A hoax?
First of all, I am aware that this post should belong to the SCIENCE & TECHNOLOGY News Thread, but in light of the potential magnitude of this news (Provided that this is not some elaborate internet hoax) I felt the need to create a thread dedicated to this subject.
Through my contacts in the Zeitgeist movement I came across an email from a member who is asking everyone if the following youtube video and the information it contains is real or a hoax: Basically, a nuclear engineer by the name of M.T. Keshe, born in Iran an educated in London, who know resides in Belgium, claims that he has discovered the technology to remedy the world's energy and food shortages problems, as well as improve transportation, medicine and space travel. Furthermore, these discoveries will be made available throughout the whole world, patent free, on September 21st. The Keshe Foundation claims that all the governments of the world have already been made aware of the technology and it is now fully committed to spread the word so that big corporations and special interest have a tougher time opposing the change. I would love it if people could help me dig up information on the foundation. I personally find it hard to believe, but you never know. This is the link to the foundation's website: http://www.keshefoundation.org/en/ Here is a communicate directly from Mr Keshe: Quote:
These are indeed fantastic claims, but if they were true my first reaction would be fear of the potential terrorist attacks and possible wars erupting all the middle east and on US soil as some deranged individuals would surely seek to repeat the events of 9/11 on a bigger scale. We will surely find out on September 21st, 7 days from now, whether a new course for humanity has been created or if I have made a big fool of myself.
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2012-09-14, 13:06 | Link #2 |
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First, you should post this in technology news thread instead.
Second, I'm no physicist, but it seems pretty huge load of baloney. The whole "matter" "antimatter" "darkmatter" principals are completely BS.
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2012-09-14, 13:31 | Link #4 |
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Well first the Zeitgeist movement, now this. You certainly are interested in strange ideas - just remember to be a sceptic, when someone offers you an easy way out of the most severe technical problems humanity has. They do not describe technology in the video. Its just science-nonsense (like science-fiction but detailed enough to tell its just nonsense).
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2012-09-14, 14:04 | Link #7 |
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Like I said, I find it all that info really hard to accept. I have dug a little deeper and I have found some more detailed information:
The fantastic claims that this foundation makes about changing the world revolve around the concept of Free Energy, which I believe the scientific community thinks does not exist. That video is pretty much lecture, a very long lecture with very specific information. The guy claims that the concept of anti gravity does not exist; that is just a misunderstanding of the concept of creation. He also claims that he has fully understood the structure of the atom, and that the whole universe is series of circles within circles, he claims that the universe is spherical is shape. In other words, Keshe claims that the whole concept of physics needs to be redefined and he will attempt to do demonstrate this on September 21th. You are welcome to watch it, but honestly I could not fully understand most of the subjects explained by him. I am no physicist. There are also bunch of extracts of scientific papers in their website: http://www.keshefoundation.org/en/me...list-of-papers I just want to find out if this just BS or the guy is onto something.
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2012-09-14, 14:22 | Link #8 | |
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Even if they were abandoning the known physics, they shouldn't use magnetism to describe it, since magnetism has its own very special characterstics that would make it easily detectable... in contrast to some new, hypothetical, not yet defined bonding energy that keeps the subatomar particles bound in the atom's core. Its just one example of the seemingly nonsensical stuff. Btw. that longer video doesnt work for me. However, I cannot imagine to be suddenly confronted with serious science. ^-^' edit: Yeah now it works. And yeah, he is really trying to pull off that story with magnetism - even holding a permanent magnet.
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2012-09-14, 14:25 | Link #10 | |
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The video works now. Edit: Ok, further digging on their forums I found out that on September 21st, there will not be a presentation of the technology as previously promised but instead it will be a series of teachings on the principles of the new technologies. They are inviting all of the worlds prominent scientists to conference. Apparently, the Belgian government organized a nuclear inspection on the foundation and the police ended up seizing materials and at the moment they are being denied a license to do any kind of presentation. Here is the link: http://www.keshefoundation.org/phpbb...php?f=2&t=2593 Spoiler:
I sense a hint of ridicule in that statement? I know the ideas are strange and completely different, but at least give the guy a chance instead of jumping the gun. Personally, my first instinct was complete disbelief, but after looking through their forums and in google, the foundation seems to be real. This is why I chose to create a thread here, so that maybe people will try help me dig up some info.
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2012-09-14, 15:25 | Link #13 | |
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I am not saying that the foundation is a hoax, but their scienctific findings most certainly are.
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2012-09-14, 15:26 | Link #14 | |
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Who knew!
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2012-09-14, 18:09 | Link #17 |
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Even in the Keshe forums I find posts that are demanding PROOF of the claims made by the foundation. Personally, I am very skeptical about the whole thing. A part of me wants to believe this is true and not just another charlatan like the people who talk about zero point energy and such.
Here is paper on how he plans to convert CO2 and methane into energy and oxygen. In other words, this how he plans to cleanup the pollution. http://www.keshefoundation.org/pdfs/CO2_paper.pdf
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2012-09-14, 18:44 | Link #18 |
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This is a hoax. I can assure, you science doesn't work the way he thinks it does. It's just a load of sciencey words strung together with sciencey looking diagrams, but none of it makes any sense. I mean, magnetic fields meshing together to produce gravity? LOLOLOLOL
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2012-09-14, 19:07 | Link #19 | |
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I am not so sure, the guy is inviting public scrutiny, specially scientific criticism, of his research. He is not afraid of posting his ideas on the foundation forums, give conferences and spread the word on youtube. He has people working with him on the science he is promoting, so he is certainly not crazy. The question is, could it really be true? or he is following an agenda of deceit in order to profit from it?
There is also another big problem, science can be seriously impaired when it is heavily linked to for profit motives, which leads to a scientific establishment that is akin to any religion and unwilling to come to terms with new discoveries. This problem is not being made up by me as I type, it is a well documented fact. Kesh is disputing the foundations of modern physics and moreover, he is claiming that he and his foundation have already been able to reproduce their findings and duplicate them. Here a post by Mr Kesh I found on Gravity and Mass. Again, I want to make myself clear that I remain very skeptical on his claims. Furthermore, my scientific knowledge is very limited, I only know the basics, so I can't confirm or deny his claims. Quote:
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2012-09-14, 19:42 | Link #20 |
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Sounds nice, except the mathematics of it just wouldn't work.
The principles of magnetism are extremely well established. What he says is simply absurd. Read yourself, it's not hard to understand. |
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