2010-05-10, 20:58 | Link #9861 | |
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You took the unformed words right out of my head and formed them perfectly. Let's assume Eva is Erika Furudo in Episode 5. The reasons for this assumption are obvious and all over the place. In that case, what could these defining traits be? Furthermore, Eva is most definitely not Erika Furudo in Episode 6. Erika killed Eva, after all. Therefore...she's gotta be someone else. My money's on Shannon...considering to keep the "Erika doesn't exist" theory going, we have to incorporate "Shannon shot Kanon and he died in the closet." And Erika killed all the rest of the victims in Episode 6. |
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2010-05-10, 21:29 | Link #9862 | ||
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That and if Rudolf is her real father it's possible Jessica doesn't even know her real birthday since she'd be just as clueless as Battler and wouldn't even know about the birth situation.
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2010-05-10, 21:52 | Link #9863 | |
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The likelihood of two mothers giving birth on the same day only existed because Rudolf had sex with them on relatively close dates. Otherwise it wouldn't have occurred. Natsuhi, on the other hand, was on Rokkenjima with Krauss. I just find my suspension of disbelief going to its limit when its suggested Rudolf somehow also got Natsuhi knocked up as well. There's just so much that we can stretch with Rudolf - in EP 6 Kyrie says that Asumu was one of his girlfriends (I don't remember if she said if Asumu was current or a past one) and they had some sort of relationship. Natsuhi is with Krauss and is pretty hands off. I can't believe that Natsuhi would willingly get an injection in one of her eggs if the sperm didn't come from Krauss. She has a lot of pride and honor when it comes to being Krauss's wife. |
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2010-05-10, 21:56 | Link #9864 | |
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Now as for a reason why she'd kill the first baby and not the other one. Well I'd like to think it was for a noble reason like it not being blood related to the family or something.
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2010-05-11, 04:55 | Link #9865 |
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Just a thought, but wouldn't Natsuhi's relationship with Beatrice (shown in Ep5) mean that she's acutally friends with whoever Beatrice is? If we assume that their relationship has been this way throughout all the games, then Beatrice is on the "Hiding Kinzo" side or she's on neither side and is just doing for this for this particular game.
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2010-05-11, 07:04 | Link #9866 | |
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2010-05-11, 07:14 | Link #9867 | |
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Now it could be argued that Natsuhi wasn't shown very friendly to Shannon especially in the first episodes, but the fact that Shannon was the only one whom Natsuhi told about her favorite season implies a certain level of intimacy among them. It means that they had friendly talks before, because I can't think that Natsuhi told Shannon such a thing out of the blue.
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2010-05-11, 11:12 | Link #9868 | |
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2010-05-11, 11:52 | Link #9869 |
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As much as Shannon is hinted at being Beatrice, there are some things that confuse, specifically Zepar and Furfur. If each of the demons is supposed to be represented by one of the servants, then Kanon and Shannon would seemingly fit those two perfectly. That however complicates things then as Shannon would have to be both Beatrice and one of the Demons. The only way I could see to resolve this would be if they are simply personalities, not individuals, which leads us back to Shkanon which I will refuse to believe until it is actually confirmed or denied.
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2010-05-11, 12:18 | Link #9870 | |
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2010-05-11, 12:52 | Link #9873 |
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Hmmm I had not considered that, it makes more sense but it just seems odd that George and Jessica would be represented as furniture in the meta world. Especially because I am now highly considering one of those two to be the culprit. Regardless I can't rule anything out so the possibility exists and it would fit very nicely, it just doesn't sit well with my gut for some reason.
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2010-05-11, 17:39 | Link #9875 |
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It's possible, also, for meta-characters to represent objects. The Stakes, Siestas, and possibly Dlanor and her crew are all more likely (or in the case of the Stakes and more or less the Siestas, all but confirmed) to be things than people.
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2010-05-11, 17:56 | Link #9876 | |
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Natsuhi: Pride Eva: Greed Hideyoshi: Gluttony Kyrie: Envy Those were the obvious ones. For the other adults: Krauss: Sloth Rudolf: Lust Rosa: Wrath At least that's what I think. I can see how other interpretations might work, but I think this is the best connection. (also, this is why I think the parents killed the EP3 first twilight, since the stakes were shown killing them) |
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2010-05-11, 18:02 | Link #9877 |
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I've seen that theory, but it doesn't square with the text. The Stakes always associate themselves with the physical vessels, the vessels themselves are shown both in magic scenes and in Battler's presence, and the ep5 epilogue further associates them with material objects.
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2010-05-11, 18:09 | Link #9878 | |
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I'll add something, though. Beatrice's 'magic kills' scenes likely have implications for the reality. Beatrice faked her death in the fight against Virgilia to make the fight more entertaining and Beatrice continued the fight even though she had already won. So, I would say Beatrice in the real world fakes her death every game and she kills even after obtaining her objective each game. |
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2010-05-11, 18:15 | Link #9879 | |
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2010-05-11, 18:21 | Link #9880 | |
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Only reason I'm responding? Why does everyone think Rudolf's major sin is Lust, when Ryukishi clearly showed in EP 3 that his major sin is Sloth. So what, Rudolf fought a demon completely unrelated to him, while Kyrie got paired with her sin? That makes no sense. Not to say Rudolf doesn't have some lust, but it's secondary. Rosa is the one with Lust as her sin - Beatrice even says this in EP 4 while Maria is torturing Rosa. Rosa sleeps around with men, neglecting her duties as a parent. Rudolf doesn't sleep around anymore and we know he's clearly trying to change his ways, while Rosa shows intention of changing. |
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