To Aru Majutsu no Index Light Novel Discussion (Archives)

[Javiersansano]

Originally Posted by Ilidsor

Woah, no one thinks Accelerator is awesome more than me. He was wondering if that the old chart which had him growing stronger after he got the choker was correct and I was telling him that no it wasn't. It's been stated in canon that he got weaker after the bullet to the brain.

My issue with the power charts is that although they do the best they can, power in this series isn't a strict linear progression. For example Touma isn't all that strong (without that invisible thing anyways) but because he's so skilled at using IB he can beat a lot of people higher up on the list then him. In short I'm saying although it shows how strong people are it doesn't show how powerful they are.... Am I making sense?

Although it's entirely possible that the new one does take all those factors into consideration, but I can't read Japanese so until someone makes a picture or translated version I'm not going to be able to read it. So if I'm sticking my foot into my mouth here let me know

and on the other hand, there's people who Touma can't do shit against, for example, Tsuchimikado, unless he lets the Invisible Thing loose.

And I'm getting what you mean; the table only considers two axis; the horizontal with the amount of people, and the vertical with the destructive power, but this chart doesn't consider the Rock paper Scissors relation

anyway, for some reason, I find many side characters more badass than the three protagonists:

- Heaven Canceller (in his own special way)
- Styl
- Aqua
- Knight Leader
- TSUCHIMIKADO, probably the greatest Motta fucka character ever, and not in a negative way

- Kihara Amata, not for being one of the worst humans, even as a character, but because of his detachment and violence (kinda how Vento realized why he would not fall victim of Divine Judgement, i think it was called?). Also, how his discussions with accelerator are so full of "bad" words was hilarious, despite the context

The three protagonists are awesome in their own way, but I guess that they are still too full of doubts, and are too immature

[desrtsku]

You guys ... you're completely off the bat about what a tier list in an actual series (and video game series) is about. It isn't 100% always about who is "stronger" but more like "who is capable of beating the most opponents", hence why guys like Fiamma who can stomp anyone else safe Touma (who is weak as hell) is so High ... and Touma is so low because of the opposite reason.

Also, about the comment above, while I can fully understand about Acqua and turn my eyes blind on Heaven Canceller and Kihaaaaara-kun. There are 3 things I really can't stand :
1. not including top class badasses like Papa Misaka, Matthai Reese and Kihara Kagun
2. Saying that Tsuchimikado is more badass than Accel the villain that's no better than a piece of s*** or the TouMan
3. saying that someone like Stiyl is more badass than any of the 3 mains ... the worst sin

[Phibrizzo]

I agree on number 3.

And yeah a power chart is mainly who can counter the most and most common enemies. Hell even Oriana would handle Touma his ass with bare hand to hand.

[Karna]

Where is this new power level chart you guys have been talking about? I can't find it.

[tsunade666]

Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle

Those charts are old....

Here's the new one.

http://kohada.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/csaloon/1335686688/

Spoiler for Power ranking courtesy of 2ch:

S＋　エイワス
S　　アレイスター＝クローリー　オティヌス
S－　右方のフィアンマ　オッレルス
A＋　ミーシャ＝クロイツェフ 一方通行（天使）
A　　風斬氷華
B＋　インデックス アウレオルス＝イザード　 キャーリサ（カーテナ全開） エリザード
B　 キャーリサ（カーテナ欠片）　後方のアックア　前方のヴェント(天罰)　騎士団長（カーテナ） 　 傾国の女（デュランダル）
B－　神裂火織　一方通行　マタイ＝リース　レイヴィニア＝バードウェイ　ローラ＝スチュワート ブリュンヒルド＝エイクトベル　騎士団長　
B－－エツァリ　左方のテッラ　ワシリーサ　テクパトル　少女（赤い洪水）　女魔術師（ヴィーダルの靴）　 垣根帝督　削板軍覇　投擲の槌　前方のヴェント(女王艦隊)　　サンドリヨン
C　黒夜海鳥（サイボーグ）　 オリアナ＝トムソン　御坂美琴　麦野沈利　食蜂操祈　木原病理　ベルシ　結標淡希　ステイル＝マグヌス　マ ーク＝スペース
Ｃ－エーラソーン　ヴィース＝ワインレッド　ファイブオーバー　EquDarkmatter　ニコライ＝ト ルストイ　ビアージオ＝ブゾーニ　
C－ー　建宮斎字　闇咲逢魔　シェリー＝クロムウェル　騎士（カーテナ）　天草式（相互強化）　　幻想猛獣 　レアシック　リチャード＝ブレイブ 　ベイロープ 車輪の大蛇　　
D+　駒場利徳（武器あり）　駆動鎧　シルバークロース＝アルファ　騎士　 土御門元春（開発後）　テオドシア＝エレクトラ　　相園 美央
D　 白井黒子 　絹旗最愛　黒夜海鳥　番外個体　五和　木山春生（能力有）　レッサー　フロリス　ランシス　ステファニー ＝ゴージャスパレス　アウレオルス＝ダミー カリニーチェ=I=ニーキノシ　サローニャ＝Ａ＝イリヴィカ
D-　ショチトル　アニェーゼ＝サンクティス　サーシャ＝クロイツェフ　トチトリ　天草式メンバー 　　ルチア　
D--　手塩恵未　杉谷　アニェーゼ部隊　シスターズ　服部半蔵　アンジェレネ　フレイス
E　 海原光貴 婚后光子 釧路帷子　査楽　 黄泉川愛穂　 心理定規（ドレスの少女）　切斑芽美
E-　浜面仕上　郭　
F　固法美偉　黒妻綿流　丘原燎多（超電磁砲原作版）実生好子

here is the new chart...... or not a chart but a list. If you can understand it. I don't have a clue but its a whole thread for the power chart level.

[leukrota]

Here is google translate's version:

S + Eiwasu
Aleister Crow S = Rio Augustine
Leonardi Fiamma Olle pulse of the right S-
One way A + = Kuroitsu~efu Mischa (angels)
A wind cut flower ice
Leo B + index Au Coeur de Luz = Lisa Erizado homogenizer (fully open Katena)
Grandmaster Knight (retribution) of prostitute women (Katena) Vento forward backward Kyarisa Akkua B (fragments Katena) (Durandal)
Matthew Ray Knight led Cervinia = Bird = lease = Laura Stewart Way Brew emissions Hild = Eikutoberu way it is woven Meanwhile God 裂火 B-
B - girl Terra Tech Liisa eagle path forward torr left Etsu~ari Vento hammer throwing military supremacy shave plate boundaries supervision 帝 chantress (flood red) (shoes Vu~idaru) Cendrillon (fleet queen)
Mark = space = Magnus stale pale dilute standard pathology results Berushi Kihara pray bee food operations 沈利 Mugino Misaka Mikoto (Cyborg) Oriana Thomson seabird black night = C
C-agent = La Thorn Wiesbaden burgundy over EquDarkmatter Five Nikolai Tolstoy beer = Geo = Busoni
Amakusa serpent formula (Katena) = Brave Richard chic rare wheel bay rope fantastic beasts (mutually reinforcing) = knight Sherry Cromwell 逢魔 咲 darkness Ken C-shaped temple 斎 ー
Tsuchimikado Motoharu silver knight armor close = α Toshinori drive Komaba D + (Yes weapon) Mio Aizono Teodoshia = Electra (after development)
Lesser Florianopolis Seraing cis = gorgeous Stephanie Leo Palace Ao = dummy Angeles Cali Nietzsche = I = Niki ノシ ニャ = A = Irivu~ika Thurow (Road capacity) Haruo Kiyama Goka seabird populations extra night beloved black silk flag Kuroko Shirai D
D-treatment formula Lucia Amakusa members torr Anyeze = thunk Baghdatis Sasha = Croydon Tsu~efu chestnut bird
Rene Angers Fureisu Hattori Hanzo Sisters troops Anyeze Sugitani grace not Teshio - D
Megumi spots off ruler psychology Hoai Izumikawa 査楽 yellow shroud Kushiro photon after marriage Mitsutaka ocean E (girl's dress)
Guo beach surface finish E-
Wei F 燎多 law and solid black wife Yoshiko Hara hill flow cotton seedlings (original version railgun)

At least it's good for a laugh... (gotta love automatic translations)

[desrtsku]

For the first time in my life, I'll say that the original version full of Katakana and Kanji is less confusing ...

[Marcus H.]

S＋　Aiwass
S　　Aleister Crowley, Othinus
S-　Fiamma of the Right, Ollerus
A+　Misha Croitsef, Angelerator
A　　Kazakiri Hyouka
B+　Index, Aureolus Izzard, Carissa with Curtana Original, Elizard
B　 Carissa with Curtana Fragment, Acqua of the Back, Vento of the Front's Divine Punishment, Knight Leader with Curtana, Elizarina's Twin with Durandal
B-　Kaori Kanzaki, Accelerator, Matthew (or Matthai) Reese, Leivinia Birdway, Laura Stuart, Brunhild Eiktobel, Knight Leader
B-- Etzali, Terra of the Left, Vasilissa, Tecpatl, "Red Flood Girl", Vidar's Boots User, Teitoku Kakine, Gunha Sogiita, Vento of the Front's Queen's Fleet Version, Cendrillion
C　Umidori Kuroyoru's Cyborg Abilities, Oriana Thomson, Mikoto Misaka, Shizuri Mugino, Misaki Shokuhou, Byouri Kihara, Bersi, Stiyl Magnus, Mark Space
C- Ellason, Weis Winered, Five Over, EquDarkmatter, Nikolai Tolstoy, Biagio Busoni
C--　Saiji Tatemiya, Ouma Yamisaka, Sherry Cromwell, Knights with Curtana, Combined strength of the entire Amakusa Remix Style of Church, "Illusionary Beast", Leashik, Richard Brave, Bayloupe, Sharin no Orochi (I think the best that Kanzaki defeated)
D+　Ritoku Komaba (with weapons), Powered Suits, Silvercross Alpha, Knights, Motoharu Tsuchimikado (before becoming an esper), Theodosia Electra, Mio Aizono
D　 Kuroko Shirai, Saiai Kinuhata, Umidori Kuroyoru, Misaka Worst, Itsuwa, Harumi Kiyama (Multi-Skill), Lessar, Floris, Lancis, Stephanie Gorgeouspalace, Aureolus Dummy, Kariniche I. Nikinoshi, Saronia A. Irivika
D-　Xochitl, Agnese Sanctis, Sasha Croitsef, Tochtli, Amakusa Member (individual strength, average), Lucia
D--　Megumi Teshio, Sugitani, Agnese Forces, SISTERS, Hanzou Hattori, Angelene, Freiss
E　 Mitsuki Unabara, Mitsuko Kongou, Katabira Kushiro, Saraku, Aiho Yomikawa, Girl in a Dress, Megumi Kirifu
E- Shiage Hamazura, Kuruwa
F　Mii Konori, Wataru Kurozuma, Ryouta Okahara, Yoshiko Mioshi

[jalvin_billster1091]

Originally Posted by Marcus H.

S＋　Aiwass
S　　Aleister Crowley, Othinus
S-　Fiamma of the Right, Ollerus
A+　Misha Croitsef, Angelerator
A　　Kazakiri Hyouka
B+　Index, Aureolus Izzard, Carissa with Curtana Original, Elizard
B　 Carissa with Curtana Fragment, Acqua of the Back, Vento of the Front's Divine Punishment, Knight Leader with Curtana, Elizarina's Twin with Durandal
B-　Kaori Kanzaki, Accelerator, Matthew (or Matthai) Reese, Leivinia Birdway, Laura Stuart, Brunhild Eiktobel, Knight Leader
B-- Etzali, Terra of the Left, Vasilissa, Tecpatl, "Red Flood Girl", Vidar's Boots User, Teitoku Kakine, Gunha Sogiita, Vento of the Front's Queen's Fleet Version, Cendrillion
C　Umidori Kuroyoru's Cyborg Abilities, Oriana Thomson, Mikoto Misaka, Shizuri Mugino, Misaki Shokuhou, Byouri Kihara, Bersi, Stiyl Magnus, Mark Space
C- Ellason, Weis Winered, Five Over, EquDarkmatter, Nikolai Tolstoy, Biagio Busoni
C--　Saiji Tatemiya, Ouma Yamisaka, Sherry Cromwell, Knights with Curtana, Combined strength of the entire Amakusa Remix Style of Church, "Illusionary Beast", Leashik, Richard Brave, Bayloupe, Sharin no Orochi (I think the best that Kanzaki defeated)
D+　Ritoku Komaba (with weapons), Powered Suits, Silvercross Alpha, Knights, Motoharu Tsuchimikado (before becoming an esper), Theodosia Electra, Mio Aizono
D　 Kuroko Shirai, Saiai Kinuhata, Umidori Kuroyoru, Misaka Worst, Itsuwa, Harumi Kiyama (Multi-Skill), Lessar, Floris, Lancis, Stephanie Gorgeouspalace, Aureolus Dummy, Kariniche I. Nikinoshi, Saronia A. Irivika
D-　Xochitl, Agnese Sanctis, Sasha Croitsef, Tochtli, Amakusa Member (individual strength, average), Lucia
D--　Megumi Teshio, Sugitani, Agnese Forces, SISTERS, Hanzou Hattori, Angelene, Freiss
E　 Mitsuki Unabara, Mitsuko Kongou, Katabira Kushiro, Saraku, Aiho Yomikawa, Girl in a Dress, Megumi Kirifu
E- Shiage Hamazura, Kuruwa
F　Mii Konori, Wataru Kurozuma, Ryouta Okahara, Yoshiko Mioshi

I have to say this power chart, seems to be a bit more open to just people with supernatural powers. Including groups of people and technology (machines)

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by Ilidsor

Woah, no one thinks Accelerator is awesome more than me. He was wondering if that the old chart which had him growing stronger after he got the choker was correct and I was telling him that no it wasn't. It's been stated in canon that he got weaker after the bullet to the brain.

My issue with the power charts is that although they do the best they can, power in this series isn't a strict linear progression. For example Touma isn't all that strong (without that invisible thing anyways) but because he's so skilled at using IB he can beat a lot of people higher up on the list then him. In short I'm saying although it shows how strong people are it doesn't show how powerful they are.... Am I making sense?

Although it's entirely possible that the new one does take all those factors into consideration, but I can't read Japanese so until someone makes a picture or translated version I'm not going to be able to read it. So if I'm sticking my foot into my mouth here let me know

There is no Accel before or after getting shot in the new one. Just pre and post Angel. In a way, Angel mode has become the new benchmark for him

[classic]

Originally Posted by Teh_Ping

I'm interested to see which Saint will be battling the next time. For some reason, I'm hoping it to be Silvia involved in the battle.

I want to see more of what Vasilissa and Laura are capable of. They are church leaders for a reason.

[desrtsku]

The immortal witch isn't a church leader though ...

[Chaos2Frozen]

And we've already seen what Laura is capable of... Blowing things up with her hair!

[Javiersansano]

To those who hated my comment of the the side characters I chose as more badass than the three protagonists, I apologize... maybe badass wasn't the best word, but you all have to agree with me that those said characters are perfectly clear on what they have to do, while:

one of them has his doubts regarding his memorly loss (he heard index telling him she likes him, but he still won't do a damn thing, meaning he is full of doubts, or is just a moron)

the second had to suffer a number of epyphanies along with too many asskickings to finally accept that he wanted to be a "papa"

the third has, or had a major inferiority complex

BY THE WAY, is the invisble thing officially dead now that it wasn't included in the list?

[Last Order]

Accelerator wears expensive?
It seems that he spends very little money.
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“Ha ha! Thank you for letting me enjoy the scenery underneath your skirt!!”

-He was joking or really abused her?

[Sumeragi]

Who said that?

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Sumeragi

Who said that?

Accelerator, while he's chasing Imouto 10032.

[Last Order]

Originally Posted by Sumeragi

Who said that?

Accelerator said it to Awaki. Then he had beaten her.
So what? I think he said it because it made fun of her. As it was with Misaka imouto.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Last Order

Accelerator said it to Awaki. Then he had beaten her.
So what? I think he said it because it made fun of her. As it was with Misaka imouto.

It was Awaki? I could have sworn it was when he's catching imouto...

*goes to check*

Lol yeah, my bad- The one where he chased the Imouto was-

“Ha ha! What’s with those fleeing hips? Why are you shaking your ass like that!? You’re just asking for it!!”

[Sumeragi]

How it contrasts with his image as Papa Bear.