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yezhanquan · 2009-05-22, 06:03

I'm not so sure on Isara. Rosie's character here has already departed quite significantly from the game. The moment I hear her in the anime, it was Cornelia to me all over again. I'm pretty sure Toyoguchi-san didn't voice her Rosie like that.

Darknemo2000 · 2009-05-22, 07:27

Shiroth, mind telling how the changes

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Shiroth · 2009-05-22, 08:44

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Originally Posted by Darknemo2000

Shiroth, mind telling how the changes

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How about you sit back and find out for yourself?

Well i'm not a writer for this show so i can't say for sure, though the fact that he has quite an interest in her could play out quite nicely. I just wanna sit back and see how it unfolds anyway.

yezhanquan · 2009-05-22, 08:54

Spoiler for my take on Isara's subplot:

Shiroth · 2009-05-22, 08:58

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Originally Posted by yezhanquan

Spoiler for my take on Isara's subplot:

Eh? That means a complete change in her character. No thanks.

Solecs · 2009-05-22, 08:59

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Originally Posted by yezhanquan

Spoiler for my take on Isara's subplot:

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yezhanquan · 2009-05-22, 09:01

A change from her in-game character, unless my impression of her is going to become one of a proud lady which thinks "might makes right" and cannot accept the plain truth even if it's spelt out in front of her. I always thought that she could put up with Max because of the pride she felt in being a Valkyria.

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Shiroth · 2009-05-22, 09:01

I'll tell you what i want to see from Selvaria, more scenes like the ones we get her in DLC story.

yezhanquan · 2009-05-22, 09:08

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Originally Posted by Shiroth

I'll tell you what i want to see from Selvaria, more scenes like the ones we get her in DLC story.

The more she gets humanized, the more jarring the devotion portion becomes, IMO. If she gets plenty of those scenes in the anime, they better change her subplot as well.

Solecs · 2009-05-22, 10:31

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Originally Posted by Shiroth

I'll tell you what i want to see from Selvaria, more scenes like the ones we get her in DLC story.

I'd like to see more information on Selvaria's past. They make some references to it in the DLC content, but I'd love to see it animated. It might put some perspective on her devotion to Maximilian and such. I mean they say why she's so devoted, but it doesn't really have as much impact as seeing it I guess.

Darknemo2000 · 2009-05-22, 10:37

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Originally Posted by Shiroth

Eh? That means a complete change in her character. No thanks.

Didn't you just said that changes are good? If they completely change her character then it would feel less of a copy right? I mean they already changed Alicia (I would say pretty big change) and Welkin (not that big, just more empathize that on his laid-back 'airheadedness') so some characters undergo some big changes would not be that much of surprise already.

Shiroth · 2009-05-22, 11:15

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Originally Posted by Darknemo2000

Didn't you just said that changes are good? If they completely change her character then it would feel less of a copy right? I mean they already changed Alicia (I would say pretty big change) and Welkin (not that big, just more empathize that on his laid-back 'airheadedness') so some characters undergo some big changes would not be that much of surprise already.

I don't agree that they've changed Alicia though. In the anime adaptation, all they've done with Alicia is add a more realistic sense to her character --- she's a lot more shocked regarding Welkin, and she's showing a female side towards Faldio, though at the same time (as shown in episode 7) she's the same Alicia we knew from the game.

They've add more to her character, which i don't believe had to happen seeing as though Alicia in the game does the job perfectly (and at the same time being rather lovely), they just wanted to make her stand out more, and make an impact with the drama. It seems to be working anyway.

& i was totally joking around regarding Selvaria, though it looks like no one noticed. Either way, Solecs already said why yezhanquan's take on the subplot wouldn't work.

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Originally Posted by Solecs

I'd like to see more information on Selvaria's past. They make some references to it in the DLC content, but I'd love to see it animated. It might put some perspective on her devotion to Maximilian and such. I mean they say why she's so devoted, but it doesn't really have as much impact as seeing it I guess.

Yeah i'd love for some Selvaria background, and i think there's a good chance we'll see it in this adaptation, especially seeing how they're giving Faldio some background.

kalbron · 2009-05-22, 15:51

Tsunderes as portrayed by anime aren't realistic. Real life tsunderes get called things like "crazy bitch" and the sort, and don't end up getting anywhere in relationships unless they come across masochistic individuals.

I'd say the game's portrayal of Alicia was closer to that of a normal human being. She thought Welkin was a bit odd, but clearly recognised that he was a good person. And he helped her out in Bruhl when really he should have been fleeing with the other civilians. That was all it took for her to want to be his friend, and from there the relationship grew.

Anime Alicia would logically become a middle aged spinster, but that's not going to happen now is it?

Still, it will be interesting to see just how this turns out. Whether it'll be a massive trainwreck or a passing grade anime is beyond my ability to predict.

Darknemo2000 · 2009-05-22, 17:00

kalbron, however tsunderes are surprisingly popular. They are in all time high. In fact it started since around 2005 year and was predicted to last two years till somewhere 2007 such type of character popularity (with titles as ZnT, Shakugan no Shana etc.), but it still keeps on being very popular even in 2009.

Anime creators are cheap bastards and they want as much popularity as possible thats why Faldio increased importance and love triangle thing (to attract shoujo romance lovers), thats why they turn a normal girl Alicia from the game into a tsundere (this type is popular these days between otaku's) thats why they push Rosie out of Isara's subplot to make space for another cliched romance with some guy no one cares about etc. All this done to get popularity though it doesn't seem like VC would be that popular or that would be gaining it.

kalbron · 2009-05-22, 22:20

Yep. They're popular for the exact same reason that people enjoy violent shooter games: you don't really want the same things occuring in real life, but in fantasy it's all good in the name of fun.

Tamad · 2009-05-22, 22:45

I find yor take on Alicia's personality switch interest at least, though I wouldn't really call it more "realistic" as some have already explained. Whether we like it or not though, they only reason they made Alicia more tsundere is to capture a bigger audience of anime fans.

Key Board · 2009-05-24, 02:04

It seems that Johann from the Selvaria DLC will make an appearance next week

Probably to show things from Empire's side

I'll be rather sad when he is inevitably killed by Alicia, because well, nobody bothers keeping generic enemy soldiers alive, right?

yezhanquan · 2009-05-24, 03:57

If someone from the Gallian squads does that in front of Selvaria herself, I expect things to... explode.

cloner4000 · 2009-05-30, 06:24

Well we can never be sure that he died. The aces in the games sometimes comes back.

Spoiler for plot:

kalbron · 2009-06-14, 22:11

Alright so, Episode 11 essentially ensured that the last half of the anime will be completely different from the game. Unless:

Spoiler for Stuff:

Let the wild speculating begin!

Spoiler for Game Spoilers:

Sheesh. Who knows where this thing is going now, because it certainly went off the rails.

2009-05-22, 06:03	Link #21
yezhanquan Observer/Bookman wannabe Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Singapore Age: 38	I'm not so sure on Isara. Rosie's character here has already departed quite significantly from the game. The moment I hear her in the anime, it was Cornelia to me all over again. I'm pretty sure Toyoguchi-san didn't voice her Rosie like that. __________________

2009-05-22, 07:27	Link #22
Darknemo2000 Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Lithuania Age: 39	Shiroth, mind telling how the changes Spoiler for spoiler: would make Isara's death more dramatic? I personally liked when it was linked with Rosie rather than with some guy from squad 1 I do not care about.

2009-05-22, 08:54	Link #24
yezhanquan Observer/Bookman wannabe Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Singapore Age: 38	Spoiler for my take on Isara's subplot: For me, it would be more awesome if Selvaria was to kneel before Isara to ask for forgiveness on the conspiracy. __________________

2009-05-22, 09:01	Link #27
yezhanquan Observer/Bookman wannabe Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Singapore Age: 38	A change from her in-game character, unless my impression of her is going to become one of a proud lady which thinks "might makes right" and cannot accept the plain truth even if it's spelt out in front of her. I always thought that she could put up with Max because of the pride she felt in being a Valkyria. Spoiler for details: Belonging to a people who has been cast as angel-like can do things to a person's will; so can throwing that angel down to the pits of hell. __________________

2009-05-22, 09:01	Link #28
Shiroth Beautiful fighter. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: England, UK Age: 37	I'll tell you what i want to see from Selvaria, more scenes like the ones we get her in DLC story. __________________ MyAnimeList Twitter

2009-05-22, 15:51	Link #33
kalbron Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006	Tsunderes as portrayed by anime aren't realistic. Real life tsunderes get called things like "crazy bitch" and the sort, and don't end up getting anywhere in relationships unless they come across masochistic individuals. I'd say the game's portrayal of Alicia was closer to that of a normal human being. She thought Welkin was a bit odd, but clearly recognised that he was a good person. And he helped her out in Bruhl when really he should have been fleeing with the other civilians. That was all it took for her to want to be his friend, and from there the relationship grew. Anime Alicia would logically become a middle aged spinster, but that's not going to happen now is it? Still, it will be interesting to see just how this turns out. Whether it'll be a massive trainwreck or a passing grade anime is beyond my ability to predict.

2009-05-22, 17:00	Link #34
Darknemo2000 Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Lithuania Age: 39	kalbron, however tsunderes are surprisingly popular. They are in all time high. In fact it started since around 2005 year and was predicted to last two years till somewhere 2007 such type of character popularity (with titles as ZnT, Shakugan no Shana etc.), but it still keeps on being very popular even in 2009. Anime creators are cheap bastards and they want as much popularity as possible thats why Faldio increased importance and love triangle thing (to attract shoujo romance lovers), thats why they turn a normal girl Alicia from the game into a tsundere (this type is popular these days between otaku's) thats why they push Rosie out of Isara's subplot to make space for another cliched romance with some guy no one cares about etc. All this done to get popularity though it doesn't seem like VC would be that popular or that would be gaining it.

2009-05-22, 22:20	Link #35
kalbron Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006	Yep. They're popular for the exact same reason that people enjoy violent shooter games: you don't really want the same things occuring in real life, but in fantasy it's all good in the name of fun.

2009-05-22, 22:45	Link #36
Tamad デゲソ！！ ( ・_・）ノ Join Date: Oct 2008 Age: 34	I find yor take on Alicia's personality switch interest at least, though I wouldn't really call it more "realistic" as some have already explained. Whether we like it or not though, they only reason they made Alicia more tsundere is to capture a bigger audience of anime fans.

2009-05-24, 02:04	Link #37
Key Board Carbon Join Date: Nov 2003	It seems that Johann from the Selvaria DLC will make an appearance next week Probably to show things from Empire's side I'll be rather sad when he is inevitably killed by Alicia, because well, nobody bothers keeping generic enemy soldiers alive, right?

2009-05-24, 03:57	Link #38
yezhanquan Observer/Bookman wannabe Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Singapore Age: 38	If someone from the Gallian squads does that in front of Selvaria herself, I expect things to... explode. __________________

2009-05-30, 06:24	Link #39
cloner4000 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009	Well we can never be sure that he died. The aces in the games sometimes comes back. Spoiler for plot: You fight Nonnenkolf twice first as Lt. then Captain. Ty the immortal also faces you several times. I am pretty sure Oswald the Iron, Ozwald the Alloy are the same guy, they just thought its a mistake and change the name. You also fight him again in one of the expert mode skirmishes. So we don't exactly know what happen to him.

2009-06-14, 22:11	Link #40
kalbron Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006	Alright so, Episode 11 essentially ensured that the last half of the anime will be completely different from the game. Unless: Spoiler for Stuff: They go "LOLOLOLOLOL We haz silver hair dye! LOLOLOLOLOL" etc, etc. Let the wild speculating begin! Spoiler for Game Spoilers: This change will result in: - No Randgriez family being traitorous Darcsens. - Therefore no Valkof. - No Valkof means no Marmota. - No Marmota means that Jaeger won't be defeated at Vassel Bridge and... - Selvaria won't be ordered into going nuclear to allow Max to get to the Marmota. - No Marmota means no artificial power source for Max's Valkyrie-Super-Suit. Sheesh. Who knows where this thing is going now, because it certainly went off the rails.