Evangelion Rebuild 3.0: You can (not) Redo [Evangelion Shin Gekijouban: Q]

[bigdeath]

Originally Posted by Yot-chan

Spoiler for Hmmm...:

I would've said that that might be true after watching 2.0...but after the utter bleakness of Q, I'm no longer so sure...

Spoiler for spoilers:

Errr, but thats my point. After 2.0 everyones was like, oh this Eva will end better and happier. I, on the other hand, expected the shit to hit the fan in 3.0 and it did. It really did.

After all, we should all know by now that in Eva's world, good deeds are punished harshly and innocent desires don't get fulfilled.


Still, 4.0 may end on a more cheerful note simply because no one will expect it after 3.0. Best way to make a happy ending acceptable in a bleak setting is to make things hit rock bottom before they get better.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Good grief why do the Japanese take so long to convert these into home media? I mean the Avengers showed in the summer and came out on DVD not too long ago. Japan on the other hand takes a year or so to get it on DVD.

Anyways, from what I gather

Spoiler:

the movie takes place 14 years after the 2nd movie where Shinji initiated third impact and now the Earth is a hellhole and he's in cryo with Rei missing.

Mari and Asuka for some reason still look like 14 years old due to the effects of the LCL and are currently fighting Angels that are still attacking

[haguruma]

Okay, so I'm trying to carry over the conversation from the previous thread, which is now just for movies 1 and 2.

I saw the movie on the weekend it came out and I'm still confused as hell what I actually watched. The review on Kotaku was expressing pretty well how I felt, confused and a little bit annoyed by several decisions that were made. As a movie for itself it is horrible, because in the end nothing actually happens (the few events that do happen are retreads of prior events), the rest is exposition. Still I was kind of entertained...

Originally Posted by Renegade334

So that means...

Spoiler:

that at the end of 3.0, Asuka decides to forsake Will-e and run away with Rei and Shinji?

Spoiler:

Well, when Kaworu refers to Gendo as the King of the Lilim he really does seem to count all humanity together. He also said that the Lilim are trying to bring about the Impacts.

I wouldn't be surprised if (Rebuild-)Asuka did not consider herself part of humanity anymore at the end of 3.0. She went through several horrible events and was used and abused by all sides. We also do not yet know what Wille's actual plan for rebuilding the world is...they pretty much seem to be taking the role that the military had in EoE.

Yes, I was thinking that, too, but...

Spoiler:

if there were four of them during SI, what did NERV/SEELE retrieve at Bethany Base - the Key of Nebuchadnezzar thingy? I know it was never confirmed to be a reduced Adam, but if it is the case, there's a possibility there might be three more of those lying around.

And if the Impact mechanics are still in line with EoE's, the KoN could be used to kickstart Fourth Impact in 4.0...

I thing most of the rules are still intact, though the basics of how Evas function are thrown all over the place.

Spoiler:

There is one scene between Fuyutsuki and Gendo (though I'm confused right now if it was in 2.22 or in 3.0) where the focus was on a briefcase and they were discussing whether with this it would be possible to carry out their plan. That would fit if it was one of the Adam embryos.

Originally Posted by KleenexGhost

Yeah, I can see them doing a reset ending.

Well, I still think it hangs in the ballance.

Spoiler:

Everything Kaworu said basically hinted at this already being a reset. Things like, "To become perfect at anything you have to practice over and over again," when they were playing piano. But most important of all, before he died (btw. again loosing his head in the process) he said, "Don't worry, for we will meet again."

There are also the many hints that in the interim of 14 years at some point something similar to EoE must have happened. The headless body, the giant, eyeless head of Rei that Gendo is talking to, most of humanity in stasis within the sea of LCL.

The only thing I'm still wondering about and which not even suspension of disbelief is able to help with

Spoiler:

How in heaven's name were Wille able to build that giant flying battleship? Sure, the Rebuild world was generally a lot more advanced compared to the TV series, with the station on the moon and several other elements, but most of humanity was destroyed and the world is in ruin...

I really hope that the 4th movie will bring a lot more explanations to several of the changes...

[RRW]

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when is the Blu-Ray ver out?

[konart]

No date yet. Somewhere in between 6-9 months from now.

[orion]

Hey mods: Is it possible to move the recent 3.0 conversations over to this thread?

[Klashikari]

Originally Posted by SoldierOfDarkness

Good grief why do the Japanese take so long to convert these into home media? I mean the Avengers showed in the summer and came out on DVD not too long ago. Japan on the other hand takes a year or so to get it on DVD.

That is because they are maximizing their profit with long standing theather projections. The moment a series is quite popular, it will remain for a substancial period of time: for instance, K-On! and Nanoha movies remained like 6 months in the theaters. And of course, they will take 3-6 months after that to release the physical home media.

Also remember that due to the very collector type business you have with BD and DVD over there, only the most hardcore would buy these (even if series like Eva wouldn't have any trouble to break the 100k unholy benchmark), whereas it isn't uncommon for moderate and hardcore fan to watch the movies in the theaters several times (especially if any stamp event is included, such like K-On! which required an insane 9 stamps rally to have the goods, so 9 times the movie).

Originally Posted by orion

Hey mods: Is it possible to move the recent 3.0 conversations over to this thread?

Going to leave, but if nothing is done by the end of the day, will work on it. I would like also such requests to be done by PM, it isn't like we can see such requests on the spot.

Edit: ok, done... 550 posts, urgh...No, I ain't going to do that for 1.0 and 2.0.

[Mad Pierrot]

That said, I still enjoy seeing a more willful Shinji. I can relate to him better than the pathetic failure he was in the TV series.

The thing with the TV series is that the characters were being developed in the first half with the three Children learning to work together, Shinji realizing the reason he works with NERV is to get closer to his father (and smiling with that comment), him becoming a bit more openminded at school, etc.

Then in the second half most characters are brought back to level 1 as Shinji feels betrayed by his father when he forces Unit 01 to nearly kill Toji, Asuka takes her defeats really badly until she breaks (the same happens in the manga but she is calmer and it results into a funny scene with Kaworu), while Rei at least dies happy that her sacrifice saves Shinji. Shinji then goes to level 0 after Rei's death and learning of her true nature. He becomes attached to Kaworu but basically uses him to get away from the people he knows (Kaworu says this in the manga). When Kaworu dies Shinji goes to level -5 and is worse than ever. The End of Evangelion didn't really help him to recover.

[creb]

I hated the tv series.

I've really enjoyed the movies, especially with how the story seems to be slowly moving more and more away from the tv plot, which seems to continue to hold true if the preview for number 3 is anything to go by.

I'm enjoying the movies enough that I might almost forgive the franchise for Shinji, and what I like to project upon him-the complete castration of 90% of the male characters in anime since.

[konart]

The OST is out.

Eargasm starts NOW!

UPD: unbelievable. The OST has less epic-themed tracks, but at the same time the mix of rock and orchestra gives it so much power and suspense...

[Reckoner]

Originally Posted by creb

I hated the tv series.

I've really enjoyed the movies, especially with how the story seems to be slowly moving more and more away from the tv plot, which seems to continue to hold true if the preview for number 3 is anything to go by.

I'm enjoying the movies enough that I might almost forgive the franchise for Shinji, and what I like to project upon him-the complete castration of 90% of the male characters in anime since.

It's comments like these that make me really question Anno's directing of Rebuild. Shinji's character has a true purpose in Evangelion's narrative and is IMO one of the most complex and interesting characters in all of anime. To see people like Rebuild because Shinji "grew a pair" or the likes makes me really depressed as an Evangelion fan. This is not why I love the franchise. Sure good for those viewers and nothing against them, but this is not what Evangelion is meant to be in my eyes.

[RRW]

[Dauerlutscher]

Originally Posted by Reckoner

It's comments like these that make me really question Anno's directing of Rebuild. Shinji's character has a true purpose in Evangelion's narrative and is IMO one of the most complex and interesting characters in all of anime. To see people like Rebuild because Shinji "grew a pair" or the likes makes me really depressed as an Evangelion fan. This is not why I love the franchise. Sure good for those viewers and nothing against them, but this is not what Evangelion is meant to be in my eyes.

Completely agree.

[Dragonkid11]

Then everything went down hill with Rebuild 3.

I meant the cheerfulness of the story....if there's any.

[creb]

Originally Posted by Reckoner

It's comments like these that make me really question Anno's directing of Rebuild. Shinji's character has a true purpose in Evangelion's narrative and is IMO one of the most complex and interesting characters in all of anime. To see people like Rebuild because Shinji "grew a pair" or the likes makes me really depressed as an Evangelion fan. This is not why I love the franchise. Sure good for those viewers and nothing against them, but this is not what Evangelion is meant to be in my eyes.

Just for the record, it's not like I don't understand the point to Shinji's original characterization. I simply didn't care for it, and what it tried to represent.

Seeing as you can always immerse yourself in the /wrist angst of the original, I'm not sure it makes much sense angsting over another interpretation that others really enjoy. This alternate telling in no way makes the tv series magically disappear.

/goes off down memory lane over the high blood pressures Escaflowne and its iterations brought

Why do we, as the fandom, always go in these oh so predictable circles?

[haguruma]

Originally Posted by creb

This alternate telling in no way makes the tv series magically disappear.

Well, chances are relatively high that this is no mere alternate telling of the story though

[Dauerlutscher]

Originally Posted by haguruma

Well, chances are relatively high that this is no mere alternate telling of the story though

Why? Not only did they change the story but they changed the personalities of many characters too.

[konart]

Originally Posted by Dauerlutscher

Why? Not only did they change the story but they changed the personalities of many characters too.

I think that haguruma was talking about Rebuild being a sequel or prequel of the TV series.

[haguruma]

Originally Posted by konart

I think that haguruma was talking about Rebuild being a sequel or prequel of the TV series.

Most likely a sequel as Rebuild 1 starts with the same picture that EoE ended with.
Also several visual hints can be found throughout the movies that seem to imply that several events seen in EoE happened.

This and then there are the many, many things that Kaworu says in Rebuild 3.0 that make it pretty obvious.

[Horse]

Originally Posted by konart

The OST is out.

Eargasm starts NOW!

UPD: unbelievable. The OST has less epic-themed tracks, but at the same time the mix of rock and orchestra gives it so much power and suspense...

More like induces hearing loss. The soundtracks for the Rebuild movies continue being a loud noisy mess.