To Aru Majutsu no Index - Episode 9 Discussion / Poll

[Bonta Kun]

Originally Posted by Soul Assassin

1. Because he doesn't know what can he cancel and what he can't?

This is the problem I have here, quite plainly his IB has managed to cancel out all forms magic and abilities. I don't see the need for him to be told every time to use it.
It's one of the consistencies of the series I've actually come to like from this series. His IB is said to cancel anything and so far it's done just that.
Even if Touma had some doubts which I would guess were pretty small anyway, he'd be jumping in stopping whatever anyway. This ep didn't portray that very well at all.

On another note I know why Touma is so pissed off at Oriana.
See Fukiyose promised Touma some "funtime" that night but because of the what happened to Fukiyose, Touma's got no fun to be had that night

Spoiler for NSFW:

Therefore he'll have Oriana step in for Fukiyose

[Miraluka]

*Looks at the pic*
*Looks at Touma's right hand*

It seems Touma gives his seal of approve

[Ice Block]

Well, he tried to cancel Tatemiya's sword in the Orsola arc, but it would've ended in a bloody mess if Index didn't tell him to stop. He's learned to be a bit careful, I guess?

[MrTerrorist]

Originally Posted by Bonta Kun

On another note I know why Touma is so pissed off at Oriana.
See Fukiyose promised Touma some "funtime" that night but because of the what happened to Fukiyose, Touma's got no fun to be had that night

Spoiler for NSFW:

Therefore he'll have Oriana step in for Fukiyose

Touma approves! Now lets leave those two alone while they get busy.

[tsunade666]

Originally Posted by Bonta Kun

On another note I know why Touma is so pissed off at Oriana.
See Fukiyose promised Touma some "funtime" that night but because of the what happened to Fukiyose, Touma's got no fun to be had that night

Spoiler for NSFW:

Therefore he'll have Oriana step in for Fukiyose

Looks like everyone approves that we should leave those two alone for the time being.

The hesitation might come from he doesn't know if the Imagine Breaker could be more harmful on the effects or not. It's not the same with Aisa that the enemy just said Die. And Touma is still the type that would just charge in without experience on what might happen. At least his starting to be aware of the magic stuff and it's effects.

[Haak]

I pretty much laughed my head off when Blondy wiped his muddy hand all over the ID thingamabob.

[klare]

actually if they guessed the poles are suspicious, can they save time by getting Touma to touch all the poles instead of checking them one by one?

there are many illogical actions too, but nvm

slightly better than the previous eps that filled with fan-service

[Ice Block]

Originally Posted by klare

actually if they guessed the poles are suspicious, can they save time by getting Touma to touch all the poles instead of checking them one by one?

It's not the pole that's harmful -- it's the Shorthand flashcard stuck to the pole. Touching the pole with Imagine Breaker wouldn't accomplish anything (you need to touch the flashcard itself), and there are lots and lots of people there delaying access to some poles for them to investigate all of them in a timely manner.

[DragoZERO]

Originally Posted by Soul Assassin

He doesn't know how to explain magic to her (remember this is AC and Mikoto's no magician to know that), and he doesn't even understand himself how would one being struck by that spell be like

But he could have said in one sentence not to touch the pole that it's dangerous. She knew something fishy was going on.

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Most of them can be charted down as just 'it's a show' but for these two i can answer.

Yes, which is why I enjoyed it. Every episode has stuff which I can question but this one just had so many.

Originally Posted by Ice Block

For the basket poles, refer to this scene:

Ohhh... good catch.

Originally Posted by Johnny

Funniest part of the episode was Touma's astonishment that Oriana found out he was following her. Hell, he might as well have been giving her a piggyback. He needs to brush on them detective skills better and less on those flowery soap box speeches...

That is 100% truth. Not to mention it's common sense not to follow too closely to someone. It's funny how the biggest mistake characters make are following to closely.

Originally Posted by Soul Assassin

Still, her curiosity on Touma's power doesn't exactly give her any "rights" to keep persuading him to face her in a fight... other than that I just don't feel there was any reason at all

Well, the reason is this: "Tsuuunn."

Originally Posted by Bonta Kun

This is the problem I have here, quite plainly his IB has managed to cancel out all forms magic and abilities. I don't see the need for him to be told every time to use it.
It's one of the consistencies of the series I've actually come to like from this series. His IB is said to cancel anything and so far it's done just that.
Even if Touma had some doubts which I would guess were pretty small anyway, he'd be jumping in stopping whatever anyway. This ep didn't portray that very well at all.

Exactly!! How many times has he used the Imagine Breaker!? He was told every time to use it. Did those magic feathers blow away his common sense too?

On another note I know why Touma is so pissed off at Oriana.
See Fukiyose promised Touma some "funtime" that night but because of the what happened to Fukiyose, Touma's got no fun to be had that night

Spoiler for NSFW:

Therefore he'll have Oriana step in for Fukiyose

Yes... thumbs up indeed.

Originally Posted by MrTerrorist

Touma approves! Now lets leave those two alone while they get busy. I watch.

Fixed.

Originally Posted by Ice Block

It's not the pole that's harmful -- it's the Shorthand flashcard stuck to the pole. Touching the pole with Imagine Breaker wouldn't accomplish anything (you need to touch the flashcard itself), and there are lots and lots of people there delaying access to some poles for them to investigate all of them in a timely manner.

Not to mention the pole is tall. The card could have been stuck anywhere on it. Thanks to Mr. Machina it was in hands reach.

[tsunade666]

Originally Posted by DragoZERO

But he could have said in one sentence not to touch the pole that it's dangerous. She knew something fishy was going on.

He could probably say it straight but that would lead to unnecessary questioning and stuff and Touma doesn't want to answer such question leading the current affairs. he just wants Mikoto to not touch the pole but it's also a problem on Touma's side he focus much on the pole that he didn't manage to think of a way to clearly say what he wants to say thus resulting into misunderstanding.

Yes, which is why I enjoyed it. Every episode has stuff which I can question but this one just had so many.

They cut lots of stuff and explaining on this episode. They just keep the core story itself so the story can go on. But index leads a lot of explanation

That is 100% truth. Not to mention it's common sense not to follow too closely to someone. It's funny how the biggest mistake characters make are following to closely.

Touma is an amateur on this things. He prefer to bust in than to follow silently so it's not entirely his fault. Plus Oriana is a professional on escaping and if she's professional on it. It's easy for him to tell if someone is following her. But really Touma sucks on tailing someone. He didn't even hide or pretend not following her at all. His so close to the target and his hostile to it. It's like saying. hello I'm following you so don't mind me.

Exactly!! How many times has he used the Imagine Breaker!? He was told every time to use it. Did those magic feathers blow away his common sense too?

He is in a state of shock and probably didn't know what to do because he gets an innocent civilian into the mess. it's like when your in a mission and you ended up letting someone get hurt. And Touma again is not pro on this stuff. So his probably not prepared on such events to happen. Plus his been using Imagine breaker on lots of stuff but mostly on things he intended to use it on. Like the enemy and such curse but he got back up which is Index to tell him what to do. Now he didn't. So his not sure on things but Tsuchimikado gives him a heads up.

[SuzushinaYuriko]

Go on. Let the fujoshi in you take your mind and imagine more ways how will Motoharu "dirty" Touma.

Oh, it's even better in the light novel:

Spoiler for volume 9 worst counter:

Kamijou frantically turns around, and in front of him is Tsuchimikado, now in a brand new P.E. attire. The wound seems to be completely healed now, and there’s no sign of injuries anywhere.

“You……do you still intend to go in from the back door?”

“Yeah. At least it’s easier to go in from here than the front door.”

Tsuchimikado says casually. Kamijou looks at the back door again. There are three fully armed security guards, and there are unmanned reconnaissance helicopters up there in the sky. How on earth are they going to sneak in?

Seeing Kamijou’s thinking and surprised look, Tsuchimikado smiles,

“It’s simple. Look there, Kami-yan, there’s a puddle of water. There’s no rain recently, so it seems like the committee members just sprayed some water around.”

“Hm. Then……what next?”

“Like this!”

After he finished speaking, Tsuchimikado suddenly trips Kamijou.

“Wa!?”

As Kamijou shouts, his body rolls into the puddle.

Tsuchimikado laughs, “To think that we can have a mud battle at this age nya!!” as he does a flying swoop at Kamijou.

Pa thong! With a sound that’s never heard in a cartoon movie, Kamijou’s body sinks even lower. The guards at the backdoor are staring at them suspiciously.

“Eh……WAAAHHHHH……! You……what are you doing out of a sudden……!?”

Kamijou is being pressed down by Tsuchimikado’s mass. To Kamijou, Tsuchimikado, who dons a pair of blue sunglasses, softly says,

“(……Kami-yan, are your clothes fully stained with mud? We have to mess it up such that they can’t tell which school we belong to from the design.)”

What?

I'm seriously considering TsuchimikadoxTouma as a pairing to ship now.

This is the problem I have here, quite plainly his IB has managed to cancel out all forms magic and abilities. I don't see the need for him to be told every time to use it.
It's one of the consistencies of the series I've actually come to like from this series. His IB is said to cancel anything and so far it's done just that.
Even if Touma had some doubts which I would guess were pretty small anyway, he'd be jumping in stopping whatever anyway. This ep didn't portray that very well at all.

He doesn't know what he can cancel and what he can't cancel SAFELY. Like others have said, what if the counterspell turned a person into an existance like Kazakiri, where cancelling the spell would also cancel their existance? He has no knowledge of magic and needs to rely on a professional's advice in case he messes something up. And in Fukiyose's case, he was partially shocked at what happened until Tsuchimikado snapped him out of it.

[outerelf]

Originally Posted by yukirosuzuka

I'm seriously considering TsuchimikadoxTouma as a pairing to ship now.

Welcome to the dark side. We have 90% of all fandom. And, oh lookie at what I found!

Spoiler for Muddy Boys!:

Now, If my computer would only work and let me watch the episode

[Sackett]

Originally Posted by Endscape

Hmm, the animation was spotty this ep, especially Tsuchimikado, he looked like Hiruma from Eyeshield for a while. However, the scenes where Touma erased Oriana's magic looked rather good. And the music was great.

Also, Stiyl using Touma as a ascapegoat was much funnier than I though it would be, despite the fact that it was a serious scene there. Misaka's blushing was amazing, I didn't know humans could get to that shad e of red.

Overall, good episode, a 9/10.

I knew a girl who would turn purple when blushing. Once I embarrassed her so badly she turned black.

[Cosmic Eagle]

I love how Stiyl always gives Touma the meatshield treatment and his remarks in doing so...

[Bonta Kun]

Originally Posted by yukirosuzuka

He doesn't know what he can cancel and what he can't cancel SAFELY. Like others have said, what if the counterspell turned a person into an existance like Kazakiri, where cancelling the spell would also cancel their existance? He has no knowledge of magic and needs to rely on a professional's advice in case he messes something up. And in Fukiyose's case, he was partially shocked at what happened until Tsuchimikado snapped him out of it.

Yea I get that could be some of the doubt he could have but fact is that never really stopped him before from jumping into the firepits of hell.
Plus a counterspell that alters a persons existence I would think would be considered some serious magic. I would have guessed Stiyl or Tsuchi would have known about this and given Touma a heads up before hand.
Fact is, the deal with Fukiyose was the same as with Stiyl which he already knows about, I wouldn't think there was much to think about other than run on over and slap his right palm on her breast but Ok in this case I'll let it go and put it down as "he was shocked at seeing it".

I understand both sides of the argument I mean it happens in pretty much all mediums of entertainment.
Like the "slow falling poles" could have probably been avoided but we needed that for Biribiri to have her moment in the ep(which I won't complain about simply cause we got some blushing Biribiri) but still that cliche is something to complain about.
Hell even Touma and Biribiri's over-dramatic scene after that was well over-dramatic but once again I can't really complain

Well I just put this down to some poor writing from the shows writers but I would have liked to give Touma some credit, just unfortunately can't really do so.

[Dr. Casey]

Originally Posted by Sackett

I knew a girl who would turn purple when blushing. Once I embarrassed her so badly she turned black.

... what.

Why would you guys even consider Saten? This is Tokiwadai Middle School

>_> I didn't even know Saten goes to a different school... I have poor comprehension sometimes, so yeah. I don't even know what the hell's going on in Index half the time, I generally understand things on a scene-by-scene basis but the main plot and villain motivations of any arc are usually fuzzy to me. Maybe I'm just not paying enough attention.

[outerelf]

Well, I finally have managed to watch this episode, and I'd have to say that it wasn't half-bad. There was a good Mikoto/Touma scene, a good Fukiyose scene, Tsuchimikado was pretty cool looking, and knew lots, poor Touma was confused as always.

Personally, I'd say that they ought to start sending Touma to a magicians school just so that way he can pick up on stuff faster. (Not that it seems to do much good because of how many different magics there are)

[DragoZERO]

Originally Posted by tsunade666

He is in a state of shock and probably didn't know what to do because he gets an innocent civilian into the mess. it's like when your in a mission and you ended up letting someone get hurt. And Touma again is not pro on this stuff. So his probably not prepared on such events to happen. Plus his been using Imagine breaker on lots of stuff but mostly on things he intended to use it on. Like the enemy and such curse but he got back up which is Index to tell him what to do. Now he didn't. So his not sure on things but Tsuchimikado gives him a heads up.

I think Touma has been in enough dire situations where he should be used to this. I was a lifeguard and all it took was one event to get you into it, two at most. Touma has had many more.

[HandofFate]

why is it again that ESPers can't use magic?

But anyone that isn't an ESPer can use magic right? Since magic was a way for ordinary people to gain abilities on the level of people with abilities?

[SuzushinaYuriko]

Originally Posted by outerelf

Welcome to the dark side. We have 90% of all fandom. And, oh lookie at what I found!

Spoiler for Muddy Boys!:

Now, If my computer would only work and let me watch the episode

I was already in the dark side for a long, long time. Did you forget my constant praise for your BL fanfic? I just never looked at TsuchimikadoxTouma as a possible ship before now, lol. Also, thank you for that picture. -saves-

why is it again that ESPers can't use magic?

But anyone that isn't an ESPer can use magic right? Since magic was a way for ordinary people to gain abilities on the level of people with abilities?

ESPers actually can use magic but their AIM fields would violently reject it. This includes Level 0s as well, even though they don't have powers, as demonstrated by Tsuchimikado. Anyone who isn't an ESPer can use magic normally like Komoe-sensei at the beginning of Index. However, take note of this conversation:

Spoiler for volume 1 the 7th-egde.:

“It’s okay like this.” Index moves her head a little. “It would be bad if we involve her anymore… also, we can’t let her cast any more magic.”

Kamijou raises his eyebrow.

“Grimoires are dangerous things. Written in them are absurd kinds of common sense and laws that contradict each other; it is that kind of ‘different world’. Regardless of whether it's good or evil, a ‘different world’ like that is poisonous to ‘this world’.” "Knowledge of the 'different world' is enough to be able to destroy a human’s brain" is what Index says. Is it like forcing an unsupported program to run on a computer? Kamijou theorizes.

“…Both my brain and heart are protected by a religious barrier. Magicians also surpass humans. But for a Japanese person without much of a religious outlook, if she does it one more time, it’s over.”